One of the biggest problems with Nolan's batman films, after batman begins, is that Gotham does not feel like Gotham.
In Batman Begins, Gotham had that specific Gothamy feel - broody, dark, old architecture, foggy, and most importantly it felt like it was almost always night time. With Dark Knight and TDKR, Gotham just felt like some random city, didn't have an identify of its own.
Originally posted by ares834
But yeah, Gotham isn't the Gotham from the books. In fact, at times it's blatantly clear that they are filming in New York.
I'm pretty sure Gotham is supposed to be like...New York and Chicago mixed into one city.
In fact, I think New York has been referenced as "Gotham" prior to comic books existing.
Originally posted by ares834
So because a character doesn't look good they aren't well defined...lol ok.
So what exactly did you find as "well defined" or good "character arc"?
I'm saying Nolan gave very little thought in defining Batman for TDKR.
Nolan's Batman has no understanding that he's more formidable at night, in the shadows than walking around in broad daylight.
Nolan's Batman has the same repetitive,predictable fighting moves than someone trained by The League Of Shadows. He fought Bane with brute not skills & thus was defeated.
Nolan's Batman wore his cape as a fashion accessory & only in Begins did we see the possible full potential of it to glide or be used as a defensive weapon.
Nolan's Batman has a "No gun rule" but won't hesitate to use it if it's attached to The Tumbler, the bike or The Bat.
There's over 70 years worth of comics, numerous cartoons & 4 previous films that have defined Batman better than what Nolan did.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
So what exactly did you find as "well defined" or good "character arc"?I'm saying Nolan gave very little thought in defining Batman for TDKR.
Nolan's Batman has no understanding that he's more formidable at night, in the shadows than walking around in broad daylight.
Nolan's Batman has the same repetitive,predictable fighting moves than someone trained by The League Of Shadows. He fought Bane with brute not skills & thus was defeated.
Nolan's Batman wore his cape as a fashion accessory & only in Begins did we see the possible full potential of it to glide or be used as a defensive weapon.
Nolan's Batman has a "No gun rule" but won't hesitate to use it if it's attached to The Tumbler, the bike or The Bat.
There's over 70 years worth of comics, numerous cartoons & 4 previous films that have defined Batman better than what Nolan did.
I'd say none of those really fit well in TDK. Somewhat in TDKR.
In TDk he was Batman only at night, the fight coordinator for TDK mixed in a different style than in BB, he used the cape to glide in Hong Kong and to save Rachel later on, he never uses the guns on his vehicles to kill; mostly just to blast shit out of the way.
Originally posted by Esau CairnI agree with pretty much everything else except this. It was obvious that Bane was very skilled in his own right and that is why Batman lost.Nolan's Batman has the same repetitive,predictable fighting moves than someone trained by The League Of Shadows. He fought Bane with brute not skills & thus was defeated.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
So what exactly did you find as "well defined" or good "character arc"?I'm saying Nolan gave very little thought in defining Batman for TDKR.
Nolan's Batman has no understanding that he's more formidable at night, in the shadows than walking around in broad daylight.
Nolan's Batman has the same repetitive,predictable fighting moves than someone trained by The League Of Shadows. He fought Bane with brute not skills & thus was defeated.
Nolan's Batman wore his cape as a fashion accessory & only in Begins did we see the possible full potential of it to glide or be used as a defensive weapon.
Nolan's Batman has a "No gun rule" but won't hesitate to use it if it's attached to The Tumbler, the bike or The Bat.
There's over 70 years worth of comics, numerous cartoons & 4 previous films that have defined Batman better than what Nolan did.
So you don't like how the character fights or looks? Fair enough. However, don't pretend that somehow makes him 2-dimensional or not have character growth.
Gordon was the hero in this movie and Alfred should have slapped Brucie's pansy ass around the Batcave and told him to do his job properly.
Nolan should be ashamed of himself. Well....it's not like he didn't know his limits, and it shows. But they offered him a crap load of money.
BatFacts 101:
Spoiler:
-Don't listen to Alfred when he supplies important data on your superior enemy.-To fix a broken back all you need to do is hit the vertebrae back in.
-And once the back is broken tie a rope around your chest and fall from a 10 story drop.
-Don't bring tranquilizer batarangs to a Bane fight. Bring some smoke bombs.
-When performing a rescue of Gotham spend hours pouring gasoline in the shape of a bat on a bridge side. then wait for thugs to bring your friends out to execute them.....and hope one of them has a flare handy.
-Instead of using your BatCopter to fly a nuke out of the city as fast as you can. Just stand there and listen to the villain in her dying breaths give an obvious long winded speech in an obvious attempt to deter you.
-And once that's over why not make out with Catwoman. You a few minutes why not?
-When escaping a foreign prison. Have a haircut and manicure to look your best before retaking the city.
-And when you sacrifice yourself. Make sure you shag your new girlfriend for a few months before making yourself known to a your frail guilt ridden father figure in a foreign restaurant for the sake dramatic climax.
Spoiler:
His back wasn't broken, he simply had a dislocated vertebrae.I had a bigger problem with his knee. The thing was ****ed, he had no cartilage, needed to where a bionic super brace... then Bane wrecks him, destroys his back and drops him off in a third world prison... where his has magically healed itself?
For a long movie, some of the scenes sure felt a little rushed.
Then again I was probably just paying too much attention to the guy with the big bag next to his foot 2 rows down.
It could have been better. I cant believe I didnt notice Tom Hardy was the one playing bane. Cool guy.
Hathaway did as I thought she would. I like those goggles that go up into kitty ears.
Might have to watch it again to notice more parts that bugged me a bit but overall it was a good movie.