The Dark Knight Rises

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
It's a F-ing shame Nolan couldn't comprehend the double meaning behind "Dark Knight" & "Dark NIGHT".

Hell I'm surprised Batman wasn't wearing friggin' sunglasses!

thats YOUR PROBLEM and NOT Nolans ... you do realize that Nolan nor other directors come on message boards and worry about haters

Originally posted by Nephthys
Look, the real reason these things weren't done is because it would have been simply impractical to do them. You want the police that come out to be malnourished and sporting 5-month beards, but that would either require the actors playing them to [b]actually be malnourished and grow scraggly beards or for hundreds of extra's to spend hours each in makeup to look like that. Thats idiotic to actually do for people who are only going to appear for 2 seconds in a chaotic battle scene.

For Christs sake, who gives a soggy rats ass about this? You are being needlessly nitpicky and anal. No movie in history is without plot holes. None of the stuff you've brought up impacts the actual story in any way. Just move on. [/B]

they really, really should

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Jeez I guess there's such a thing as TDKR "Haters" now. Perhaps even Nolanverse Batman "Haters".

But the haters can never win. Nolanverse Batman was just too awesome! And is the biggest selling solo superhero franchise on the big screen.

they prolly still love the burton/schumacher films... don't get me wrong i love batman(as Dadudemon, Robtard will tell you) and I do love the Batman Anthology films but what Nolan has done has been exponentially and extraordinarily way better..

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
thats YOUR PROBLEM and NOT Nolans ... you do realize that Nolan nor other directors come on message boards and worry about haters

I may openly state my disappointment for both TDK & TDKR & I can quite easily live being labelled a "Nolanverse Batman Hater" however I don't make ridiculous statements like above.

So you're 100% sure no directors read message boards?

That's funny because Lucas recently blasted his disgust at READING all the negative feedback his last 3 Star Wars movies copped on various message boards & vowed never to do anything SW related ever again.

Then you have Kevin Smith who openly tells in his interviews that he enjoys both the good & bad written about him & his movies & sometimes replies back to questions on several message boards.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker

they prolly still love the burton/schumacher films... don't get me wrong i love batman(as Dadudemon, Robtard will tell you) and I do love the Batman Anthology films but what Nolan has done has been exponentially and extraordinarily way better.. [/B]

At least Burton & Schumacher acknowledged the Batman mythos & respected that one SIMPLE golden rule: Batman, as a character, works best at night, in the dark, using shadows.

At least Burton & Schumacher never tried to emulate Batman into the "real world"...they both stuck to a "comic book verse" & that formula worked. Regardless of how much the Schumacher films sucked.

All I'm saying is that Batman got lost & became 2 dimensional in the grand & epic scale that Nolan chose to do TDKR.

Although they were kinda in-between, there have been at least some instances in the comics or cartoons where Batman did his stuff out in the middle of the day, but since Nolan wasn't involved with it I guess you're not gonna complain about it right?

Well it wasn't like Batman had the luxury to wait for nightfall(pun intended) to du stuff in this movie.

Still suprised more people aren't complaining about

Spoiler:
ther autopilot issue. Watching TDKR a second time, the scene where Batman flies the nuke/core out in the Bat annoys me even more. Exactly how does fixing the auto-pilot suddenly make it okay for Batman to somehow escape the craft and avoid the blast radius of said nuke going off: IIRC he only had a few seconds to do anything once out in the open water.

There is the possibility that Batman was never in that Bat to begin with but how would one explain the scene that happened seconds before the nuke/core went off? They you also have to wonder where exactly Bruce found the time to fix the auto-pilot issue for not only his Bat but for the system of several other proto-types within the course of the movie.

Meh overall I give this movie a 7 out of 10...well maybe a 7.5 since I still enjoyed myself.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I may openly state my disappointment for both TDK & TDKR & I can quite easily live being labelled a "Nolanverse Batman Hater" however I don't make ridiculous statements like above.

So you're 100% sure no directors read message boards?

That's funny because Lucas recently blasted his disgust at READING all the negative feedback his last 3 Star Wars movies copped on various message boards & vowed never to do anything SW related ever again.

Then you have Kevin Smith who openly tells in his interviews that he enjoys both the good & bad written about him & his movies & sometimes replies back to questions on several message boards.

George Lucas has also said that his Star Wars films made no money, so when Lucas speaks I generally do not listen to what he says..

same with kevin smith,

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
At least Burton & Schumacher acknowledged the Batman mythos & respected that one SIMPLE golden rule: Batman, as a character, works best at night, in the dark, using shadows.

At least Burton & Schumacher never tried to emulate Batman into the "real world"...they both stuck to a "comic book verse" & that formula worked. Regardless of how much the Schumacher films sucked.

All I'm saying is that Batman got lost & became 2 dimensional in the grand & epic scale that Nolan chose to do TDKR.

but again you fell to realize that that is your opinion and i have mine..

also had burton and schumacher had done their jobs than their batman films would have kept going .. besides batman and robin was atrocious to say the very least

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Although they were kinda in-between, there have been at least some instances in the comics or cartoons where Batman did his stuff out in the middle of the day, but since Nolan wasn't involved with it I guess you're not gonna complain about it right?

👆

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
George Lucas has also said that his Star Wars films made no money, so when Lucas speaks I generally do not listen to what he says..

same with kevin smith,

Oh ok...so your dislike of Lucas & Smith validates your statement that no directors view message boards.

I'll try using that logic some time.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
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also had burton and schumacher had done their jobs than their batman films would have kept going .. besides batman and robin was atrocious to say the very least

👆 [/B]

Burton did his job fine. It was pressure from Warner Bros to "lighten up the mood", less gothic, less dark in order to push the toy merchandise sales. It was also this decision that led to Schumacher taking over the franchise.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Although they were kinda in-between, there have been at least some instances in the comics or cartoons where Batman did his stuff out in the middle of the day, but since Nolan wasn't involved with it I guess you're not gonna complain about it right?

In perspective...70+ years of Batman comics. My generalised breakdown is over 450 issues of on-going series, annuals, limited runs, graphic novels & cross-overs. Not to mention the various cartoons, paper back novels & subsequent 4 feature films before Nolan's trilogy. Nor am I taking into account Adam West's run, the 1940's tv series or the radio serial.

What instances of Batman appearing in daylight can simply be attested to bad/lazy story writing or writers who had no grasp or interest in the character they were contracted to do.
Yes, I think Nolan falls under lazy story writing.

I agree. Burton did fine.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Oh ok...so your dislike of Lucas & Smith validates your statement that no directors view message boards.

I'll try using that logic some time.

I have never been a Kevin Smith as I rarely see his films.. Second, you should read sometimes, George Lucas has said his Star Wars films made no money, so anything that comes out of his mouth I will take with a grain of salt and not really believe him.. oh and just because Lucas may go on a message board(which is very laughable) doesn't mean Nolan does..

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Burton did his job fine. It was pressure from Warner Bros to "lighten up the mood", less gothic, less dark in order to push the toy merchandise sales. It was also this decision that led to Schumacher taking over the franchise.

still that will never ever get the taste that was Batman and Robin out of my mouth. Batman Forever was just too cartoony, good though

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
In perspective...70+ years of Batman comics. My generalised breakdown is over 450 issues of on-going series, annuals, limited runs, graphic novels & cross-overs. Not to mention the various cartoons, paper back novels & subsequent 4 feature films before Nolan's trilogy. Nor am I taking into account Adam West's run, the 1940's tv series or the radio serial.

What instances of Batman appearing in daylight can simply be attested to bad/lazy story writing or writers who had no grasp or interest in the character they were contracted to do.
Yes, I think Nolan falls under lazy story writing.

if its lazy story writing by Nolan than how come critics and millions of fans all over the world including your home of Australia disagree with you ???

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
In perspective...70+ years of Batman comics. My generalised breakdown is over 450 issues of on-going series, annuals, limited runs, graphic novels & cross-overs. Not to mention the various cartoons, paper back novels & subsequent 4 feature films before Nolan's trilogy. Nor am I taking into account Adam West's run, the 1940's tv series or the radio serial.

What instances of Batman appearing in daylight can simply be attested to bad/lazy story writing or writers who had no grasp or interest in the character they were contracted to do.
Yes, I think Nolan falls under lazy story writing.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Haha, I wasn't even thinking about the Adam West show when I mentioned that. While Bats working at night is obviously most preferable though, I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with the notion that anytime he's out during the day is automatically bad storytelling. As far as Rises goes, the fact Bats didn't have the luxury to wait till night to make all his moves was just a testament to how much more threatening Bane was to the city than the previous used villains in the trilogy, to me anyway.

good point about why Batman had to fight during the day

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
As far as Rises goes, the fact Bats didn't have the luxury to wait till night to make all his moves was just a testament to how much more threatening Bane was to the city than the previous used villains in the trilogy, to me anyway.

"Didn't have the luxury to wait till night".
Seriously?

Bane had already taken over Gotham for several months now, you're telling me Bats couldn't have waited a few hours more for night to use the darkness to his advantage?

And yet Bats still had the time to douse the side of the bridge with petrol & spend time with Selina.

And no, I'm not forgetting that the bomb was counting down as well...hell everyone knows a ticking bomb is just a cliche & not a threat at all.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker

if its lazy story writing by Nolan than how come critics and millions of fans all over the world including your home of Australia disagree with you ??? [/B]

Mate, once again I don't make broad, silly & generalised statements like you do.

First you believe that no directors view message boards because you don't recognise either Lucas & Smith.

Now you have millions of critics, including my homeland (does that include my family as well?) agreeing with you.

Go back & read the last few pages of this thread & The Avengers one too & you'll notice other posters commenting on TDKR's lazy story telling.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Mate, once again I don't make broad, silly & generalised statements like you do.

First you believe that no directors view message boards because you don't recognise either Lucas & Smith.

Now you have millions of critics, including my homeland (does that include my family as well?) agreeing with you.

Go back & read the last few pages of this thread & The Avengers one too & you'll notice other posters commenting on TDKR's lazy story telling.

sorry dude don;t have too..

again seriously doubt film directors go on message boards, as for George Lucas is it widely known that he has said his Star Wars films made no money so him telling that lie tells me not to believe the words coming out his mount..

second you totally missed the point i was saying regarding millions of fans disagreeing with you including those in your homeland .. the dark knight rises so far has made $733 million dollars worldwide and that I believe includes people seeing this in Australia and certainly people are seeing this multiple times, I have seen it 4 times and going back not this upcoming sunday but prolly the following saturday or sunday so people unlike you are not bothered by the plotholes

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
"Didn't have the luxury to wait till night".
Seriously?

Bane had already taken over Gotham for several months now, you're telling me Bats couldn't have waited a few hours more for night to use the darkness to his advantage?

And yet Bats still had the time to douse the side of the bridge with petrol & spend time with Selina.

And no, I'm not forgetting that the bomb was counting down as well...hell everyone knows a ticking bomb is just a cliche & not a threat at all.

I'd like to interject that the unstable nuke/core thing that wouldn't just magically have a time extention for Batman to do this all at night. Even if you were to have Batman work at night...what advantage would Batman have? Bane already discected Batman's technnique and laughed it off the first time he tried to take him on top of there being almost every crook in Gotham armed with assault riffle on top of the LoS members he has backing him.

That's actually doesn't make sense why Batman did that. besides he still didn't know where the core or detonator was and if Batman started to poke around recklessly Bane or Talia would've just activated the nuke/core. Though if Bane wanted to give people ultimate despair I wonder why he didn't just activate it then since the flaming Bat signal would've given people alot of hope.

Even if it was kind of cliche, Batman didn't have any room to work in his element: which wouldn't have worked really well even if he did.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'd like to interject that the unstable nuke/core thing that wouldn't just magically have a time extention for Batman to do this all at night. Even if you were to have Batman work at night...what advantage would Batman have? Bane already discected Batman's technnique and laughed it off the first time he tried to take him on top of there being almost every crook in Gotham armed with assault riffle on top of the LoS members he has backing him.

That's actually doesn't make sense why Batman did that. besides he still didn't know where the core or detonator was and if Batman started to poke around recklessly Bane or Talia would've just activated the nuke/core. Though if Bane wanted to give people ultimate despair I wonder why he didn't just activate it then since the flaming Bat signal would've given people alot of hope.

Even if it was kind of cliche, Batman didn't have any room to work in his element: which wouldn't have worked really well even if he did.

Yeah every crook in Gotham was armed & so was the LoS....doesn't that just blatantly scream ANOTHER REASON BATS SHOULDN'T BE WALKING AROUND IN THE DAYLIGHT???? I mean the fear of hardened crims ganging up on him at once is logical reason enough!

And yet (lazy story telling or PIS) none of the armed crooks or LoS even tried to take a pot shot at Bats.

IF I was directing that scene...hell if I was Batman I would've waited til night, hovered above the crowd in The Bat & possibly released sleep induced/knock-out gas pellets into the gathering crooks & LoS.

Maybe even have The Bat hovering on auto-pilot whilst having Bats attached to a cable swinging & gliding through the crowd of crims, picking them off one at a time. The darkness, the smoke of the knock out pellets, crims lumbering like zombies & the Batman swooping in & out of the screen like a giant demonic creature would've made for an epic fight finale compared to walking around in broad daylight.

Then along with the newly released un-armed cops I would've gone on foot securing the unconscious criminals & fighting those that was still staggering around whilst looking for Bane.
This would've been MORE CONVINCING than UN-armed cops charging armed criminals & still winning.

More convincing... Perhaps. But it would have made for a boring ass climax.

Originally posted by ares834
More convincing... Perhaps. But it would have made for a boring ass climax.

Funny. I thought the climax was Bats flying off into the sunset with a thermo bomb...