The Dark Knight Rises

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Whatever country he's in I'm sure there's someone who owes Bruce Wayne a favor.

Oh yeah and like others have pointed out he's a frigging Ninja!

Between Batman's ninja skills and Bruce Wayne's fame there's not many places in the world he couldn't get away from, even without money.

(Oh and if nothing else, I'm sure in the circumstances he could steal money of someone, get their details, then pay them back later with interest.)

So stop trying to make plot holes where they don't exist.

damn straight

Seriously, it's the phucking Batman.

Originally posted by Mindset
Seriously, it's the phucking Batman.

its a shame people don't see that

I have no problem with Bruce getting back to the US. But I still don't see how he got back to Gotham without being spotted considering the surveillance and having only 1 open bridge.

Originally posted by Myth
I have no problem with Bruce getting back to the US. But I still don't see how he got back to Gotham without being spotted considering the surveillance and having only 1 open bridge.

Originally posted by Newjak
They could have done it with knives 😐

I take more issue with the fact that they went in super armed and they didn't have any weapons at the end.

Did Bane's guys take them?

If so I'm sure they would have stashed some away somewhere.

This is just another example of Plot Induced Stupidity.

The ENTIRE police force was ordered to go in un-armed for fear of bullets rapturing the gas pipes in the sewer. Remember how Blake says we can tell the media, "It's only a training exercise."

Yeah, I'm still dealing with the fact that it was the ENTIRE police force of Gotham that got ordered underground. 😕

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Oh yeah and like others have pointed out he's a frigging Ninja!

Between Batman's ninja skills and Bruce Wayne's fame there's not many places in the world he couldn't get away from, even without money.

So stop trying to make plot holes where they don't exist.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE refresh my mind where Batman showed his NINJA skills in TDKR?

Was it when he used his detective & ninja skills to stealthily creep up to Bane....Oh sorry, that's right, Bats WALKED INTO A TRAP set by Catwoman.

Was it his half-arsed fight with Bane & those pathetic smoke pellets?

Or was it when Bats was walking around IN BROAD DAYLIGHT pushing Bane's henchmen away from him?

I think Nolan has the impression that Ninja translates to, "Being obvious in broad daylight...to stand out like a guy in a black rubber suit in the middle of the day."

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
its a shame people don't see that

It's a F-ing shame Nolan couldn't comprehend the double meaning behind "Dark Knight" & "Dark NIGHT".

Hell I'm surprised Batman wasn't wearing friggin' sunglasses!

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE refresh my mind where Batman showed his NINJA skills in TDKR?

: 'He's behind you.'

😐: 'Who?'

: 'Me.'

*Batman kicks goons ass while hanging upside down.*

Originally posted by Nephthys
: 'He's behind you.'

😐: 'Who?'

: 'Me.'

*Batman kicks goons ass while hanging upside down.*

Totally agree with you on that scene...very reminiscent of Begins.

It's ironic though that some of Batman's best scenes is when you hardly see him at all...

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Whatever country he's in I'm sure there's someone who owes Bruce Wayne a favor.

Oh yeah and like others have pointed out he's a frigging Ninja!

Between Batman's ninja skills and Bruce Wayne's fame there's not many places in the world he couldn't get away from, even without money.

(Oh and if nothing else, I'm sure in the circumstances he could steal money of someone, get their details, then pay them back later with interest.)

So stop trying to make plot holes where they don't exist.

so what your saying is that you dont really know because the movie didnt show that part? 😱 💃 😆

Originally posted by ares834
But complain about the cops being clean shaven... Really? It's not relevant at all. Plus watching a bunch of filthy bearded men fight Bane's LOS would have looked silly.

You're clearly missing the point about "clean shaven".
I brought it up more as a metaphor to describe the ridiculousness of that PIS.

a) Nolan wants us to believe Batman can realistically exist...BUT only in a society that's stupid enough to send their ENTIRE police force underground & un-armed to apprehend a KNOWN terrorist & his ARMED henchmen.

b)Furthermore, these SEVERAL HUNDRED officers then can survive for 3 MONTHS because a HANDFUL of volunteers are flushing down sandwiches & bottles of water to them. Not to mention shaving gear, gym equipment & clothes washing detergent...

c) Let's ignore scurvy, malnutrition, 3 months lack of sunshine or the unsanitary conditions of living/breathing/sleeping amongst faeces & urine. These officers actually looked healthier, stronger & cleaner than when they went in! (I guess those Peruvian miners should watch TDKR in case they get trapped underground again.)

d)And lastly God bless the Gotham Police force to have the ability to take on Bane, his henchmen armed with MACHINE GUNS & TUMBLERS with just their bare hands & win.

My point is the main plot of TDKR relied on us the audience STUPIDLY accepting this piece of sh*t story-telling, plot-hole PIS garbage as we munched on our popcorn thinking, "Well it's the F-ing Batman after all!"

Look, the real reason these things weren't done is because it would have been simply impractical to do them. You want the police that come out to be malnourished and sporting 5-month beards, but that would either require the actors playing them to actually be malnourished and grow scraggly beards or for hundreds of extra's to spend hours each in makeup to look like that. Thats idiotic to actually do for people who are only going to appear for 2 seconds in a chaotic battle scene.

For Christs sake, who gives a soggy rats ass about this? You are being needlessly nitpicky and anal. No movie in history is without plot holes. None of the stuff you've brought up impacts the actual story in any way. Just move on.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Look, the real reason these things weren't done is because it would have been simply impractical to do them. You want the police that come out to be malnourished and sporting 5-month beards, but that would either require the actors playing them to [b]actually be malnourished and grow scraggly beards or for hundreds of extra's to spend hours each in makeup to look like that. Thats idiotic to actually do for people who are only going to appear for 2 seconds in a chaotic battle scene.

For Christs sake, who gives a soggy rats ass about this? You are being needlessly nitpicky and anal. No movie in history is without plot holes. None of the stuff you've brought up impacts the actual story in any way. Just move on. [/B]

Christ, I guess it was IMPRACTICAL for Peter Jackson to create hundreds of fake armour, weapons & costumes for LOTR. Let's further forget the Orcs & their realistic make-up.

I guess it was also IMPRACTICAL for James Cameron to have a costume department design & create the various period clothing the hundreds of passengers wore on Titanic too.

And yet Nolan only had the task of several hundred stand-ins wearing THE SAME uniform. It would NOT have been difficult to tear up & dirty the uniforms & add facial growth. You want an actor to look malnourished, it's simple, dress them in clothes one size bigger.

We were supposed to pity all those trapped in the sewers & yet they all came out looking pretty darn healthy & good. If Nolan wanted us to feel sorry for them, he failed.

And then you're kinda exaggerating "5 month beards" when they were trapped for 3 months only. Then you down play the final climatic battle to 2 seconds...yeah ok.

My point is solely that it was a ridiculous scenario to have the ENTIRE police force trapped underground.

You're right no movie in history is without plot holes. As a Batfan, I'm simply annoyed I waited 4 years for this plot-ridden movie & can't hide my disappointment with it. I might be anal about my nit-picking but at least I'm not stupid enough to ignore what I find absurd.

Do you notice me bitching about any other movies? No.
Do I feel that Nolan did the Batman mythos injustice? Yes.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Christ, I guess it was IMPRACTICAL for Peter Jackson to create hundreds of fake armour, weapons & costumes for LOTR. Let's firther forget the Orcs & their make-up.

I guess it was also IMPRACTICAL for James Cameron to have a costume department design & create the various period clothing the hundreds of passengers wore on Titanic too.

And yet Nolan only had the task of several hundred stand-ins wearing THE SAME uniform. It would NOT have been difficult to tear up & dirty the uniforms & add facial growth.

We were supposed to pity all those trapped in the sewers & yet they all came out looking pretty darn healthy & good.

And then you're kinda exaggerating "5 month beards" when they were trapped for 3 months only. Then you down play the final climatic battle to 2 seconds...yeah ok.

My point is solely that it was a ridiculous scenario to have the ENTIRE police force trapped underground.

You're right no movie in history is without plot holes. As a Batfan, I'm simply annoyed I waited 4 years for this plot-ridden movie & can't hide my disappointment with it. I might be anal about my nit-picking but at least I'm not stupid enough to ignore what I find absurd.

Yes, except that in the examples you cited those things were given a lot of attention. There was a lot of shots of orcs and in the movie the battles go on for quite a while. Just so in Titanic most of the movie is spent with people in period dress. That's an essential part of the movie. In TDKR, the cops in the final battle are entirely in the background and very easy to gloss over in the heat of the moment. The battle is really more of a set piece for Batman and Bane's fight. What they look like is completely irrelevent to the story, and would have been time-consuming and costly to 'correct'. Not bothering over such a small detail was the right call to make.

It's ridiculous to have a man dress up as a Bat but the movies are well written enough to make it believable. It really doesn't break suspension of disbelief for them to get trapped down there. The reasons for sending them down there are entirely logical as is how Bane traps them.

I do hope that wasn't you implying that I'm stupid. That would be terribly rude of you.

Originally posted by Nephthys

I do hope that wasn't you implying that I'm stupid. That would be terribly rude of you.

You called me anal & insinuated I had nits. 😎

Jeez I guess there's such a thing as TDKR "Haters" now. Perhaps even Nolanverse Batman "Haters".

But the haters can never win. Nolanverse Batman was just too awesome! And is the biggest selling solo superhero franchise on the big screen.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
This is just another example of Plot Induced Stupidity.

The ENTIRE police force was ordered to go in un-armed for fear of bullets rapturing the gas pipes in the sewer. Remember how Blake says we can tell the media, "It's only a training exercise."

Yeah, I'm still dealing with the fact that it was the ENTIRE police force of Gotham that got ordered underground. 😕

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Jeez I guess there's such a thing as TDKR "Haters" now. Perhaps even Nolanverse Batman "Haters".

But the haters can never win. Nolanverse Batman was just too awesome! And is the biggest selling solo superhero franchise on the big screen.

TDKR had plotholes, and for some people that means more and to others not as much.

I can honestly say a couple of them took me out of the moment. Like the cops charging Bane's men armed with Assault Rifles.

I feel partially responsible for creating the "hate TDKR" sentiments in this thread. I did not intend this to become a war-fest. If I contributed to the mentality of the current hate, I apologize. I enjoyed the movie. It was great. I gave it a 7 out of 10.

Sure, it has problems...problems even giant fans of the film have admitted...but it's not horrible by any means.

Originally posted by Nephthys
For Christs sake, who gives a soggy rats ass about this? You are being needlessly nitpicky and anal.

Lots of people care, actually. Like I said, the movie was very confusing at parts for the general population. I had to explain lots of the plot to people after the film. I think you forget that you are posting on a forum full of movie-buffs and amateur critics. We are not the general population. Imagine average-joe watching the film: those plotholes would be very confusing for you. You'd sit there wondering why the **** certain events are taking place.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No movie in history is without plot holes.

I disagree. The Killing Room has no plotholes that I could find (mistakes, not intentional plotholes where portions of the plot are hidden to keep the viewer from guessing the end of the film..but movie mistakes that create plotholes). There are tons of other movies, I'm sure, that have no plotholes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
None of the stuff you've brought up impacts the actual story in any way. Just move on.

Actually, it does. All the stuff he brought up directly impacts the movie's presentation and plot progression. You shouldn't have to ignore serious plot mistakes for a plot to progress.

The cops charging Bane's armed gang was just retarded.