The Dark Knight Rises

Originally posted by super pr*xy
bruce wayne is batman.. i don't think he really cares about his money.. i never saw him distraught about it.. he still had some shit worth something.. plus he's the f*cking batman.. he doesn't need ID for sh!t.. if you can't see that, then you're the one missing the point.. you're underestimating batman for the sake of a plothole.. he's the f*cking batman, he figured it out.. just because its not onscreen doesn't mean he can't do it.. he's a first-class ninja, a billionaire playboy, and a f*cking superhero..

Once again...answer the question.

Was it Bruce Wayne or Batman who climbed out of the pit?

Describe me the condition of that said-person...

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I've got 3 images of Batman tattooed on me. You really want to compare that to "reading Batman since I was four."?

Nolan could've outdone & outshone by paying closer attention & RESPECT to the mythos of the character. The fact that he called the last 2 movies, The Dark Knight kinda implies that he read Frank Miller's graphic novel & yet he learned nothing from it & thought he knew better.

he didn't have too.. HE IS AFTERALL GIVING HIS INTERPRETATION OF THE CHARACTER

YES, I understand Nolan's INTERPRETATION.

One that is filled with contradiction & undermines the character that both you & I grew up with. Whenever I read a comic, not once did I ever think "Oh he's still human inside that costume." Batman was a complete different persona & that's what Nolan couldn't or didn't grasp.

Nolan barely touched on the demon/creature mythos of Batman in Begins then steadily made him more human (in a rubber costume) for the 2nd & 3rd instalments.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
YES, I understand Nolan's INTERPRETATION.

One that is filled with contradiction & undermines the character that both you & I grew up with. Whenever I read a comic, not once did I ever think "Oh he's still human inside that costume." Batman was a complete different persona & that's what Nolan couldn't or didn't grasp.

Nolan barely touched on the demon/creature mythos of Batman in Begins then steadily made him more human (in a rubber costume) for the 2nd & 3rd instalments.

he didn't have too

Oh God this nitpicking crap still going on!

Originally posted by ares834
Yeah, Talia's scheme was primarily about revenge.

I'm not talking about communication I'm talking about the aliens shutting down. Sure, they could become disorganized or something, but having them shut down is entirely contrived simply because there was no previous reason to believe that the mother ship was controlling all their actions.

If you can, post the scene of what you're talking about and post it in the correct thread: this is not the proper thread for this particular discussion.

Originally posted by ares834
It wasn't less than a day...

You'll have to prove that because he movie makes it seem like it was less than a day...or at least Bruce making it back the next morning (if he traveled east or west, it does not matter).

Originally posted by ares834
We don't know what the time frame was.

Well, here's the problem: prove that it was ambiguous rather than a ginormous massive plot error.

Originally posted by ares834
And I disagree, how Bats got back to America isn't important to the actual plot of the movie.

Since it is actually the plot of the movie, it is directly important to how he got back. I am not sure how Batman being moved very far away from Gotham, and then showing how he gets back, is unimportant: seems that it is directly pertinent to the narrative.

How is a washed up, disgraced, emaciated (he should have been), arthritic middle aged man supposed to make it back to the US in less than a day from the middle of nowhere? By the way, you can only answer that question with direct evidence from the movie. If no direct evidence exists, you have not choice but to concede that it is a massive plot hole.

Don't forget, telling a story is the responsibility of the story teller, not the listener.

Originally posted by ares834
Now if he escaped the Pit without us seeing, now that would be a problem as that was actually a plot point of the film.

That's arbitrary: whether or not he makes it out of the pit or whether or not he makes it all the way back to the US is the same problem.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh God this nitpicking crap still going on!

i know

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
i know

You're kinda sitting on the fence here....

Complaining about the "nit-picking" BUT also bringing up legitimate posts & questions challenging the movie's lack of consistent story-telling.

As you've eloquently pointed out, the responsibility of the story is the story-teller, not the listener.

And that's why TDKR is plagued by so many questioning the obvious plot-holes & gaps...Nolan was complacent.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
You're kinda sitting on the fence here....

Complaining about the "nit-picking" BUT also bringing up legitimate posts & questions challenging the movie's lack of consistent story-telling.

As you've eloquently pointed out, the responsibility of the story is the story-teller, not the listener.

And that's why TDKR is plagued by so many questioning the obvious plot-holes & gaps...Nolan was complacent.

You're confused: that was me that said the thing about the story-teller.

Then again, I could be wrong. Did you quote the wrong dude? It doesn't seem like it. I'm confused, now. WTF!

Hide the babies!

Sorry Dadudemon, you made some excellent points...then I lost track & gave Bruce Skywalker merit thinking I was reading his comments & not yours.

My mistake.

Sooo...you have babies?

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
You're kinda sitting on the fence here....

Complaining about the "nit-picking" BUT also bringing up legitimate posts & questions challenging the movie's lack of consistent story-telling.

As you've eloquently pointed out, the responsibility of the story is the story-teller, not the listener.

And that's why TDKR is plagued by so many questioning the obvious plot-holes & gaps...Nolan was complacent.

nah.

Just saw TDKR again since I needed something to do today. The plot-holes and unanswered questions are even funnier the second time. I also finally understood Bane despite his silly mask making him sound ridiculous.

Okay. The beauty of Nolan is that he doesn't handhold.

What people see as plot holes and gaps, I see as little gems wherein we use our imaginations. So the part about how Bruce got home? Let's use the information Nolan's given us, and extrapolate.
-Bruce has connections.
-Bruce has a violent past.
-Bruce's past also contains snippets of compassionate mercy.

Okay... So I'm going to imagine that Bruce is calling in a favor from a guy he got out of a scrape in one of the many prisons he's been in - see Batman Begins.
This guy has connections - one of which will fly him [or caravan him, or drive him,] to a country where Bruce Wayne, the playboy millionaire, has connections that know they'll be paid back for services rendered. Why else did he hold all those parties for the Ambassador to somewhere and the Director in charge of something? And all the elite of Gotham, gossiping among themselves... someone whose being blackmailed and Bruce is helping them pay up or any other number of scenarios?

And so Bruce arrives back in Gotham.

TADA!!

Interactive film-watching... Try it sometime!

Originally posted by siriuswriter
Okay. The beauty of Nolan is that he doesn't handhold.

What people see as plot holes and gaps, I see as little gems wherein we use our imaginations. So the part about how Bruce got home? Let's use the information Nolan's given us, and extrapolate.
-Bruce has connections.
-Bruce has a violent past.
-Bruce's past also contains snippets of compassionate mercy.

Okay... So I'm going to imagine that Bruce is calling in a favor from a guy he got out of a scrape in one of the many prisons he's been in - see Batman Begins.
This guy has connections - one of which will fly him [or caravan him, or drive him,] to a country where Bruce Wayne, the playboy millionaire, has connections that know they'll be paid back for services rendered. Why else did he hold all those parties for the Ambassador to somewhere and the Director in charge of something? And all the elite of Gotham, gossiping among themselves... someone whose being blackmailed and Bruce is helping them pay up or any other number of scenarios?

And so Bruce arrives back in Gotham.

TADA!!

Interactive film-watching... Try it sometime!

good post

Yes,so with a time bomb ticking down... it's convenient that Bruce has all the time in the world to chase up connections, get flown, driven or caravanned around to cash in more numerous favours...and thus gets back to Gotham.

Still with ample time to flirt with Selina, save Gordon & organise a flaming Bat symbol.... before dealing with a bomb on a count down timer.

That's convenient story telling.

Why didn't Bane pull the trigger again?

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Yes,so with a time bomb ticking down... it's convenient that Bruce has all the time in the world to chase up connections, get flown, driven or caravanned around to cash in more numerous favours...and thus gets back to Gotham.

Still with ample time to flirt with Selina, save Gordon & organise a flaming Bat symbol.... before dealing with a bomb on a count down timer.

That's convenient story telling.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Why didn't Bane pull the trigger again?

I'd also like to mention again that I hated the Talia twist but that another issue altogether.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
To give the people some hope that the could be saved despite being under a warlord with killers and rapists running around the streets.

This. And lets not forget that Bruce got to Gotham undetected despite there being only one point of entry in the city and not having access to the Bat in less than a friggin day.

I'd also like to mention again that I hated the Talia twist but that another issue altogether.

the talia twist was known a long time ago

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Why didn't Bane pull the trigger again?

because talia probably said not to pull the f*cking trigger..

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because she wanted to twist the knife in Batmans side by hooking up a ****ing flatscreen TV into a prison so he can watch his city tear itself apart and explode, after which he'll spend the rest of his life in a hole, crippled and aware that he failed.

Because he basically killed her dad.