Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
If it makes you feel any better, he had one vision of Ras making fun of him.
Yeah that was pointless, because we heard it already from Bane.
Words of encouragement from his parents would've been better & a simple reminder to Bruce & us the audience of why he became Batman in the first place.
Originally posted by dadudemon*Shows Batman making the bat symbol with a press of a button in his Bat..explaining why it didn't take him forever to make the bat symbol*
Maybe we could've seen the army about to demolish/explode a 2nd bridge to stop the locals from attempting to escape a 2nd time...& just before the order is given to demolish the bridge, The Bat comes hovering into scene, Bruce presses a button that flame throws the symbol onto the bridge.
The army backs away in fear of the symbol & hope is given to the locals...
lol!
Anyway, I don't remember as many glaringly obvious plot problems in Begins. And Batman seemed more like Batman in Begins than in TDK and TDKR...mostly because of the disappearing and fright psychology he used against the thugs in one scene (yes, one scene really did make that much of an impression on me).
Originally posted by dadudemon
lol!...mostly because of the disappearing and fright psychology he used against the thugs in one scene (yes, one scene really did make that much of an impression on me).
Yeah the fright psychology in Begins was hardly present in TDKR...the sewer scene where Catwoman & Batman take out the thugs was very reminiscent & was a highlight for me.
I was 20 when I first saw Burton's Batman on the big screen & the opening sequence of Keaton/Batman grabbing the thug & saying,"I'm Batman." still sends shivers down my spine.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Yeah that was pointless, because we heard it already from Bane.Words of encouragement from his parents would've been better & a simple reminder to Bruce & us the audience of why he became Batman in the first place.
Words of encouragement from his parents would've been cliche to a movie that's filled with cliches already. Ra's vision was a great cameo which made it seem like Ra's was truly immortal, but in Nolan's realistic Batverse it was just Bruce's delusions. Bane told the story of the Ra's and the child. But Batman's dreamt up some how that Bane was the child of Ra's. Batman fooled himself.
Originally posted by dadudemon
lololololol!But, no, if those plotholes are covered up, that would be awesome. Many of my complaints come from the movie seemingly cutting out of important events which creates the plotholes.
In order of presentation:
*Shows Batman get a shot that regenerates the cartilage in his knees and shoulders*
*Shows Batman getting lots of food to workout and stay healthy in the Hole*
*Shows video montage of Batman using the network of Ninja assassins buddies (who magically don't hate him after the shit he did in Begins) to make it on an airplane that flies back to the US right after he gets out of the holes*
*Activates the Bat from a remote keypad that uses the auto-pilot he programmed.*
*Does some sleuthing around Gotham to find out what is going on in Gotham.*
*Finds Bane's HQ and the "court" system while sleuthing*
*Finds Catwoman's hangout*
*Shows Batman making the bat symbol with a press of a button in his Bat..explaining why it didn't take him forever to make the bat symbol*
*Right after the above, it shows Batman throw out a flare for the Commissioner*
*Shows Batman, right before getting to the truck with the bomb, program a flight path with autopilot, out to the ocean, showing that Batman is the smart forward thinking genius that he is in the comics*
*Shows a proper cut of the final bomb scene where Batman jumps out of his Bat and jumps into another Bat right before pressing the autopilot in the Bat carrying the bomb*
*Shows Batman figuring out which random Cafe it was that Alfred goes to*
Do you guys realize if they fixed all of those problems I mention, above...the movie would have been significantly better? Maybe they were cut out for time? Maybe the extended cut will be awesome by explaining those plotholes. If so, I will amend my score and give the extended cut a higher rating.
They left these scenes out? There's a number of scenes in that movie that wasn't needed and yet they cut out crucial parts of the movie? Nolan is a great visionary and director - must've been drunk when he was editing this thing. This movie goes from good to great if those scenes were added.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
They left these scenes out? There's a number of scenes in that movie that wasn't needed and yet they cut out crucial parts of the movie? Nolan is a great visionary and director - must've been drunk when he was editing this thing. This movie goes from good to great if those scenes were added.
lol! No, no...I am imagining what could be contained in the 30 minutes of rumored extra footage (that Bruceskywalker says is a false rumor). It is just mean being wishful and writing in plot for the major plotholes.
Originally posted by dadudemon
lol! No, no...I am imagining what could be contained in the 30 minutes of rumored extra footage (that Bruceskywalker says is a false rumor). It is just mean being wishful and writing in plot for the major plotholes.
yeah I do believe it is a false rumor as does Batman on film.. Nolan does not believe in extended/director's cuts otherwise he would have made on for Batman Begins and most definitely for The Dark Knight..
so its very doubtful he would for The Dark Knight Rises
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
yeah I do believe it is a false rumor as does Batman on film.. Nolan does not believe in extended/director's cuts otherwise he would have made on for Batman Begins and most definitely for The Dark Knight..so its very doubtful he would for The Dark Knight Rises
SUNNUVA!
Originally posted by BruceSkywalkerHe did make ones, but he only sent them to me.
yeah I do believe it is a false rumor as does Batman on film.. Nolan does not believe in extended/director's cuts otherwise he would have made on for Batman Begins and most definitely for The Dark Knight..so its very doubtful he would for The Dark Knight Rises
Originally posted by the ninjak
Gordon was the hero in this movie and Alfred should have slapped Brucie's pansy ass around the Batcave and told him to do his job properly.Nolan should be ashamed of himself. Well....it's not like he didn't know his limits, and it shows. But they offered him a crap load of money.
BatFacts 101:
Spoiler:
-Don't listen to Alfred when he supplies important data on your superior enemy.-To fix a broken back all you need to do is hit the vertebrae back in.
-And once the back is broken tie a rope around your chest and fall from a 10 story drop.
-Don't bring tranquilizer batarangs to a Bane fight. Bring some smoke bombs.
-When performing a rescue of Gotham spend hours pouring gasoline in the shape of a bat on a bridge side. then wait for thugs to bring your friends out to execute them.....and hope one of them has a flare handy.
-Instead of using your BatCopter to fly a nuke out of the city as fast as you can. Just stand there and listen to the villain in her dying breaths give an obvious long winded speech in an obvious attempt to deter you.
-And once that's over why not make out with Catwoman. You a few minutes why not?
-When escaping a foreign prison. Have a haircut and manicure to look your best before retaking the city.
-And when you sacrifice yourself. Make sure you shag your new girlfriend for a few months before making yourself known to a your frail guilt ridden father figure in a foreign restaurant for the sake dramatic climax.
OK Just seen this movie on Imax.
Meant to go in August.
Work got in the way.
I've read through most of this discussion and this post from about page 27 has a powerful point.
Spoiler Alert:
Bruce Wayne not listening to Alfred giving him and the viewer good solid information.
after he'd done the detective work off-screen.
Sheesh.
And Yes. This movie sucked hard for Mythos.
TDK I saw three times in a row at the cinemas.
It got Bruce Wayne Perfectly.
This film; ugh.
I'm not sure what they were trying to do.
Seriously it was one thing after another. Batman not listening to alfred telling him right off the bat, about bane. As for the worlds greatest detective actually looking at, and touching the scar tissue on Miranda Tate's back and that great brain of his not firing fireworks... or a single bright spark at least.
Not good enough.
Like Jim Gordon says: "Son when you're a detective you don't believe in coincidences."
If batman isn't a detective what the hell is he? Michael Caine's character Alfred spells it out to him; Gotham needs your skills and your intelligence. But we see almost none of this in TDKR. What the hell is the point of writing/ directing a Goddamn Batman Movie if 99% of the time you're going to have him run around with his brain asleep. And when he does think, mostly thinking with his dick.
As for Catwoman.. Nolans characterisation left me cold. It took her long enough to reclaim her humanity.
Bane you can get: having absolutely no respect for anything as he's been to hell and back (and has the face, or whats left of it to prove it) AND he tells us virtually every chance he can get, in the first part of the film He is The LOS
Talia: Well written character. The plot twist is there, But you can definitely see why and how it is she'd turn out to be a monster.
But Catwoman has no reason to be killing, and stabbing and shooting and maiming people for lulz.
I can accept Bane and Talia and the Lifers in Blackgate's reasons for being homicidal maniacs.
But with catwoman the lack of exposition for her motivations in happily stealing from and casually ruining people financially
Grates
If you're going to have your moral champion (Wayne) essentially develop an instant liking for someone, not to bring them in or tip off Jim Gordon as a director/ screenwriter, you have got to establish for the audience
at least 1 pet the dog moment early on.
by the time we got to that scene with the apple and the kid and before that with the family picture lying smashed on the floor she picks up and speaks a couple of lines to the viewer
I was past caring for the character or her motivations.
The films strong points:
Commissioner Jim Gordon
Officer/Dt Blake
Alfred Pennyworth
Lucius Fox
Special Effects
Ra's-mostly offscreen, Talia, Bane Storylines.
Talia is Ra's Al Ghul and Bane UBU (on steroids)
The car/ vehicle chases
The film is great when it shows rather than tells. like when Gordon & Blake are just shown doing good detective work and stakeouts.
Overall from start to finish its a good film.
With a little fine tuning it would have been a 8 or 9 out of 10 production.
In a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 is reserved for films like The Godfather and 1 for films like Cloverfield