Originally posted by abhilegend
She was drawing blood from Odin with punches.She also fought Kurse and Destroyer better than Thor did.
She also put Gladiator to his knees with one mjolnir shot which Odinson never could.
So she's got hands, good for her lol.
Thor has beaten both of them, and it was a different Kurse who Beat the hell out of her if memory serves. a female one (go figure) The destroyed was beating her to a pulp too.
But then Gladiator got up and choked her out, which has never happened to Thor. Not that thats much indication of anything, Thor rag dolled Beta Ray Bill who was supposed to arguably be his "equal".
Originally posted by Damborgson
So she's got hands, good for her lol.
Show me Thor ever drawing blood from Odin with punches.
Thor has beaten both of them, and it was a different Kurse who Beat the hell out of her if memory serves. a female one (go figure) The destroyed was beating her to a pulp too.
She lasted much longer than Thor has ever against Destroyer powered by Cul.
Also no, she did far better than Thor against Kurse than Odinson did.
But then Gladiator got up and choked her out, which has never happened to Thor.
Yes he has only twoshotted Thor.
Not that thats much indication of anything, Thor rag dolled Beta Ray Bill who was supposed to arguably be his "equal".
With Mjolnir. Never with his raw strength.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Show me Thor ever drawing blood from Odin with punches.She lasted much longer than Thor has ever against Destroyer powered by Cul.
Also no, she did far better than Thor against Kurse than Odinson did.
Yes he has only twoshotted Thor.
With Mjolnir. Never with his raw strength.
I dont think he's ever connected with Odin with his fist if I'm honest.
Well. Like I said Thor has taken the destroyer out before, BFR or not. She was going to be killed.
Thor has ragdolled Kurse too. Physically no less.
When was this? And thats still not worse than being throated to unconscioussnes.
It happened in Unworthy Thor recently. A similar choke to how Gladiator had Jane.
Originally posted by Damborgson
I dont think he's ever connected with Odin with his fist if I'm honest.
He has never drawn blood even with mjolnir.
Well. Like I said Thor has taken the destroyer out before, BFR or not. She was going to be killed.
Destroyer has actually killed Thor with less powerful host.
I'm not sure if you understand how Cul powering Destroyer is a big deal.
Thor has ragdolled Kurse too. Physically no less.
And Kurse rag dolled Thor at half power.
Thor's average against Kurse is far worse than Jane.
When was this? And thats still not worse than being throated to unconscioussnes.
Thor v2 34.
Not if Kid Gladiator distracted her.
It happened in Unworthy Thor recently. A similar choke to how Gladiator had Jane.
Bill wasn't fighting back.
Also as Gladiator is a very prominent Superman clone, the chances of Thor looking stronger than Gladiator is almost zero. It's not his niche anymore.
The best Thor can hope is he is portrayed as equal in strength.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He has never drawn blood even with mjolnir.Destroyer has actually killed Thor with less powerful host.
I'm not sure if you understand how Cul powering Destroyer is a big deal.
And Kurse rag dolled Thor at half power.
Thor's average against Kurse is far worse than Jane.
Thor v2 34.
Not if Kid Gladiator distracted her.
Bill wasn't fighting back.
Also as Gladiator is a very prominent Superman clone, the chances of Thor looking stronger than Gladiator is almost zero. It's not his niche anymore.
The best Thor can hope is he is portrayed as equal in strength.
Are you implying that Jane hits harder with her fist than Thor hits with Mjolnir? Not that it matters since we're not talking about striking power, just strength which mostly involves overpowering and lifting feats.
I'm well aware, but please understand that a less powerful destroyer killed Thor with his destroyer beam, whereas the Cul destroyer basically had Thor tank the beam, so how powerful could it be? It was a low showing for the destroyer and it was a low showing for Odin, but you know this. When she grabs Thor and bends his arms back we'll say she's stronger, or when she overpowers the Hulk or something similar.
That's because half of Kurse still equals Thor X2. Thor rag dolled him when he was Thor X4 as dumb as that was.
Could Thor's average against Kurse be lower because he has many more showings against Kurse? That's exactly why Jane still needs time to prove herself. Very few fights with top contenders and thanks to whatever is going on at Marvel a lot of showings against essentially featless characters.
Ohh, yes you're right. But we know how that ended thankfully.
It doesn't matter, that puts their respective feats on even grounds. Jane was distracted, but she wasn't distracted anymore when Gladiator grabbed her. Bill didn't want to hurt Thor, but he tried to break free of Thor's grip also.
Except feat for feat Thor is still stronger. He's a clone, but he's not superman and Thor isn't by any stretch a physically weak character. Not concentrating on his strength because he typically wield weapons doesn't mean we ignore his obvious strength feats, and as of now, unless he's been depowered aside from not having Mjolnir, he's still stronger.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Are you implying that Jane hits harder with her fist than Thor hits with Mjolnir?
Her fights with Odin certainly imply so. I'm not talking anything outside what was shown.
Not that it matters since we're not talking about striking power, just strength which mostly involves overpowering and lifting feats.
Even there, she lifted an island made of gold and threw it in sun. Thor doesn't has that level of lifting feats in last two decades.
I'm well aware, but please understand that a less powerful destroyer killed Thor with his destroyer beam, whereas the Cul destroyer basically had Thor tank the beam, so how powerful could it be?
You are taking it the wrong way, Thor is more powerful than before. Destroyer didn't become weaker all of a sudden.
That's some ass backwards logic
It was a low showing for the destroyer and it was a low showing for Odin, but you know this. When she grabs Thor and bends his arms back we'll say she's stronger, or when she overpowers the Hulk or something similar.
Heh, everything is low showing when it suits you.
She doesn't has to overpower Odinson to show she is stronger than him.
That's because half of Kurse still equals Thor X2. Thor rag dolled him when he was Thor X4 as dumb as that was.
Yes, an outlier. Jane has only one showing against Kurse and it was better than what Thor did.
Could Thor's average against Kurse be lower because he has many more showings against Kurse? That's exactly why Jane still needs time to prove herself. Very few fights with top contenders and thanks to whatever is going on at Marvel a lot of showings against essentially featless characters.
Or Jane's average is higher because she is shown consistent respect in terms of strength than Odinson was?
Ohh, yes you're right. But we know how that ended thankfully.
Yes, after several mjolnir strikes and a fight with Tarene. Gladiator only needed two punches to knock out Thor.
It doesn't matter, that puts their respective feats on even grounds. Jane was distracted, but she wasn't distracted anymore when Gladiator grabbed her. Bill didn't want to hurt Thor, but he tried to break free of Thor's grip also.
Except, Bill isn't as strong as Jane.
You are acting like Odinson could ragdoll Jane like that. He tried and failed.
Except feat for feat Thor is still stronger.
I really doubt that. Only the character interactions matter and Gladiator looked superior to Thor or equal in almost all of them.
He's a clone, but he's not superman and Thor isn't by any stretch a physically weak character. Not concentrating on his strength because he typically wield weapons doesn't mean we ignore his obvious strength feats, and as of now, unless he's been depowered aside from not having Mjolnir, he's still stronger.
Eh, show me a single comparison which make Thor look stronger?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Her fights with Odin certainly imply so. I'm not talking anything outside what was shown.Even there, she lifted an island made of gold and threw it in sun. Thor doesn't has that level of lifting feats in last two decades.
You are taking it the wrong way, Thor is more powerful than before. Destroyer didn't become weaker all of a sudden. That's some ass backwards logic. Heh, everything is low showing when it suits you.
She doesn't has to overpower Odinson to show she is stronger than him.
Yes, an outlier. Jane has only one showing against Kurse and it was better than what Thor did.
Or Jane's average is higher because she is shown consistent respect in terms of strength than Odinson was?
Yes, after several mjolnir strikes and a fight with Tarene. Gladiator only needed two punches to knock out Thor.
Except, Bill isn't as strong as Jane.
You are acting like Odinson could ragdoll Jane like that. He tried and failed.
I really doubt that. Only the character interactions matter and Gladiator looked superior to Thor or equal in almost all of them.
Eh, show me a single comparison which make Thor look stronger?
That's called a low showing for Odin and a high showing for Jane. Otherwise her Mjolnir strikes would have popped Thor's arm off when he blocked them or tore Jarnbjorn out his grip.
I don't understand what you're trying to imply, are you saying that Thor can't call on feats after two decades lol? Despite nothing weakening him or powering him up in between? It's still Thor.
Is he? When did he get amped? Like I said, Thor was hit once before by that beam and it killed him. Now, he tanked it with a supremely more powerful host inside. How is this not a low showing for the armor? We take a showing, then compare it future showings, then decide if it's in line with the average or if it makes sense, or if it's a high or low showing. You can't assume Thor's become more powerful, based on nothing, to help your argument that Jane is stronger than Thor. Which is a strange argument altogether since strength has nothing to do with. Well you can, but why would you?
You're right she doesn't have to overpowerhim, but as seen above, she also isn't explicitly stronger than him physically.
Jane's average is more cemented because she has about 50 years less showings than Thor lol. It's hard not to be more consistent when you have one fight in total vs a character instead of 7 or 8.
Thor was out for like 30 secs, and because he reverted back to a human host. When they tapped the hammer for him again, Thor was awake and proceeded to beat the crap out of him. It was a Konvikt style KO iirc.
Bill is pretty damn close to anyone in the herald tier in strength as shown by how he compares to Thor, and I'm talking about showings not implying anything I'm not saying.
But when you compare feats Gladiator falls behind. They don't have many character interactions and very few showings where strength is tested explicitly.
Originally posted by Damborgson
I don't understand what you're trying to imply, are you saying that Thor can't call on feats after two decades lol? Despite nothing weakening him or powering him up in between? It's still Thor.
This is pretty much what it boils down to.
And it's doubly retarded because regular Thor hasn't had that many showings the last decades.
He's been dead at least twice and gone back and forth between the odinforce and unworthiness.
Originally posted by Damborgson
That's called a low showing for Odin and a high showing for Jane. Otherwise her Mjolnir strikes would have popped Thor's arm off when he blocked them or tore Jarnbjorn out his grip.
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I don't understand what you're trying to imply, are you saying that Thor can't call on feats after two decades lol? Despite nothing weakening him or powering him up in between? It's still Thor.
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They are less relevant to how characters are written these days. Think like how wrestling works, just like that.
Contrary to what battle boarders think, writers don't take these feats into account when writing these characters.
Is he? When did he get amped? Like I said, Thor was hit once before by that beam and it killed him.
Destroyer has killed Thor twice and was in danger of getting killed several times.
Now, he tanked it with a supremely more powerful host inside. How is this not a low showing for the armor?
What are you talking about? When did Thor tank his disintegration beam?
We take a showing, then compare it future showings, then decide if it's in line with the average or if it makes sense, or if it's a high or low showing. You can't assume Thor's become more powerful, based on nothing, to help your argument that Jane is stronger than Thor. Which is a strange argument altogether since strength has nothing to do with. Well you can, but why would you?
Are you drunk or something? Where did I say Thor is amped?
You're right she doesn't have to overpowerhim, but as seen above, she also isn't explicitly stronger than him physically.
Great way to prove that.
Jane's average is more cemented because she has about 50 years less showings than Thor lol. It's hard not to be more consistent when you have one fight in total vs a character instead of 7 or 8.
She has 3 years of only high showings with a handful of low showings. You're forgetting how badly Thor was treated last few years if you think Thor's average is lower because of history.
Thor was out for like 30 secs, and because he reverted back to a human host.
Thor was out before he reverted to Jake.
When they tapped the hammer for him again, Thor was awake and proceeded to beat the crap out of him.
Uh, what? Gladiator fought Tarene and then Thor before losing.
It was a Konvikt style KO iirc.
Thor was knocked across city, reverted to Jake Olson after KO and Gladiator fought Tarene in between.
Your memory is faulty to say in the least.
Bill is pretty damn close to anyone in the herald tier in strength as shown by how he compares to Thor, and I'm talking about showings not implying anything I'm not saying.
I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.
Has Bill shown equality to Jane?
But when you compare feats Gladiator falls behind. They don't have many character interactions and very few showings where strength is tested explicitly.
Except they do have enough interactions and we can see how they look in comparison to other characters.
I can't picture Thor being stated to be equal to Hulk in strength these days for example.
Why not?
Yes you say that but I've seen no evidence in favor of it. You made the claim that feats from the past are less relevant, and I can't seem to understand why that is when Thor's power is essentially the same as classic at the moment. It's not like with Superman who had 2-3 amps back in the day so his low showings were less relevant depending on the time frame.
Yes you're right, but we're on a battleboard, so the feats stay. We're a thousand times more critical than writer no doubt, but this is the place for it.
"tanked" might be strong, but he was fine.
Where did you say Thor is amped?
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are taking it the wrong way, Thor is more powerful than before. Destroyer didn't become weaker all of a sudden.
Is that not what you're trying to imply?
He was treated very badly, but the majority of his fights against similar opponents took place before his character was brutalized in 2012...and a few times times after.
But when they tapped the hammer for him, Thor was ready to go is what I'm saying. Eyes open and not groggy, he just couldn't get back in it because he reverted which is why I think it's similar to the other KO.
Then how does it work in your opinion? So we can be more on the same page.
Those are just words Abhi.
