Kratos vs The Lich King

Kratos from the God of War game series faces off not against a god, but a King*. How does he fare?

I'm actually unsure about Kratos facts and feats, so this is as much a guess as it is anything else, if anyone could provide anything relevent I would greatly appreciate it.

I fingered over some other Arthas/Lich King threads and apparently you guys collectively don't actually seem to know much, I can help there. For the purposes of this thread I will be using feats from Arthas: Rise of the Lich King.

(*Actaully The Lich King technically is a god by certain degrees according to warcraft definition of a god, but ehh...)

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Kratos from the God of War game series faces off not against a god, but a King*. How does he fare?

I'm actually unsure about Kratos facts and feats, so this is as much a guess as it is anything else, if anyone could provide anything relevent I would greatly appreciate it.

I fingered over some other Arthas/Lich King threads and apparently you guys collectively don't actually seem to know much, I can help there. For the purposes of this thread I will be using feats from Arthas: Rise of the Lich King.

(*Actaully The Lich King technically is a god by certain degrees according to warcraft definition of a god, but ehh...)

He also has hooks that can pull out your soul. /Random.

Probably the Lich King based on the fact hes the opposite of Kratos, he uses powers and magic, not pure strength. Strength is his only power, if Lich King can counter strength, by attacking at range or using an exotic magic like soul devouring then hes got this in the bag.

Well how fast and durable? =p

I'm looking for striking strength feats as much as pure strength, I'd like to believe his blades can resist the power of Frostmourne.

I'm looking for how fast he can react and strike individual from each other, that sort of thing if you could =)

Thanks in advance

Not a god, but a King... who is technically a god.

Just going with Kratos as I don't think the WoW verse is physically strong or fast at all. Unless Lich is packing some powerful or hax magic that Kratos can't face.

Kratos' reactions are hypersonic and his strength is.. titanic. :3

I dont recall the calculation on Chronos, but he lifted up the Titans hand after it slapping down on him, its hard to know but he either took the whole blow and so makes this a better durability feat or he took it on his hands and pushed it up, making it a slightly better strength feat. Either way if he hits your blade or you with his blades (while holding them) hes going to be striking with thousands of tons of force no doubt.

As for reactions, better than peak human. He can react to fast surprise attacks from monsters and such.

I really dont think its a good idea to get into close range with Kratos.

Welllllllllllllll seeing as Lich much for muscles I dont think we need to know exactly how strong Kratos is besides 'much much'.

Kratos with the Blade of Olympus can pretty easily one-shot Titans (He knocked one off of a mountain with a single attack). Zeus also used it to end the Great Titan War in a single attack (Though one could argue Kratos' mastery of it is not the same as Zeus'😉.

In terms of durability, Kratos can take punches from Zeus, who has similar physical strength to him, as well as a big slap by Cronos (He proceeded to throw his arm off). Will try to remember others.

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11:00 in Kratos reacts to and avoids a thrown corpse that traveled at a high enough velocity to level a stone bridge.

This is from the God of War novel.

" 'You turn your hand against my creatures.' Artemis lowered the aim of her bow. 'Witness how I turn my hand against yours.' She released her arrow, which shot from her bow more swiftly than lightning and before it could strike, another arrow appeared and was released. So many arrows flew so swiftly, that the glade seemed filled with a golden haze, that buzzed and snarled like a nest of angry hornets. After that single instant, Artemis lowered her bow and looked up at Ares; 'So?' The God of War looked down upon his army, every once living creature of his in that glade lay dead. Every undead creature was mutilated beyond recognition. The wolves and bears and elk stood untouched."

Artemis, a relatively minor god, was capable of this feat. I do not think it is a stretch to assume that Zeus was faster.

Kratos also reacted to the Leviathans and shit, catching and overpowering them in the start of God of War 3.

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At 7:47-8:08, we see one undeniably going hypersonic, considering how relatively small the Titan that fell appeared.

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At 8:23-8:30, we see Kratos react to a surprise attack from one.

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At 1:40, we see some impressive leg strength from Kratos with a leap.

Just a few feats.

Originally posted by Burning thought
As for reactions, better than peak human. He can react to fast surprise attacks from monsters and such.

😐

That body was going "fast" enough to shatter the bridge? it was going at about 10 m/s at best, it was simply tossed. The bridge seemed to be extremely weak and would have to be for a human body to break it.

😐

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He also has hooks that can pull out your soul. /Random.

Lich King doesn't have a soul, Frostmourne stole it the moment he touched the sword.

Does Kratos have a soul? =P

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not a god, but a King... who is technically a god.

Just going with Kratos as I don't think the WoW verse is physically strong or fast at all. Unless Lich is packing some powerful or hax magic that Kratos can't face.

Kratos' reactions are hypersonic and his strength is.. titanic. :3

Hypersonic reactions? I do believe I would ask for proof but... well I'm not trying to make the Argument he can't react to Arthas, though that seems beyond the realm of 'optimistic' and into the realm of 'dreamer'

Kratos is very strong, that's true. But that might not even be a factor if his weapon shatters, so I repeat a previous request that would be what have his weapons shown to resist. Frostmourne has on more than one occasion shattered clean through weapons and their masters in the same stroke. Saurfang the Younger being one, Sylvanas Windrunner another.

It has even shattered other Runeweapons, and it's my understanding that the Olympus weapon Kratos wields is both drained and a shell of it's former self?

I'm curious of what feats it has, if any in particular that can be used.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Kratos with the Blade of Olympus can pretty easily one-shot Titans (He knocked one off of a mountain with a single attack). Zeus also used it to end the Great Titan War in a single attack (Though one could argue Kratos' mastery of it is not the same as Zeus'😉.

In terms of durability, Kratos can take punches from Zeus, who has similar physical strength to him, as well as a big slap by Cronos (He proceeded to throw his arm off). Will try to remember others.

YouTube video

11:00 in Kratos reacts to and avoids a thrown corpse that traveled at a high enough velocity to level a stone bridge.

This is from the God of War novel.

" 'You turn your hand against my creatures.' Artemis lowered the aim of her bow. 'Witness how I turn my hand against yours.' She released her arrow, which shot from her bow more swiftly than lightning and before it could strike, another arrow appeared and was released. So many arrows flew so swiftly, that the glade seemed filled with a golden haze, that buzzed and snarled like a nest of angry hornets. After that single instant, Artemis lowered her bow and looked up at Ares; 'So?' The God of War looked down upon his army, every once living creature of his in that glade lay dead. Every undead creature was mutilated beyond recognition. The wolves and bears and elk stood untouched."

Artemis, a relatively minor god, was capable of this feat. I do not think it is a stretch to assume that Zeus was faster.

Kratos also reacted to the Leviathans and shit, catching and overpowering them in the start of God of War 3.

YouTube video

At 7:47-8:08, we see one undeniably going hypersonic, considering how relatively small the Titan that fell appeared.

YouTube video

At 8:23-8:30, we see Kratos react to a surprise attack from one.

YouTube video

At 1:40, we see some impressive leg strength from Kratos with a leap.

Just a few feats.

Okay wow wow wow.

Firstly, that corpse to me, was very clearly thrown to the side of Kratos, who steps aside to see what it did hit. I watched it twice, first time *raises hand* i didn't have my glasses on, the second time i did, and these work.

For me, 'undeniably supersonic' would mean providing indisputable proof of it. To be fair all we see here is someone fly down and crash into a titan. There's no proof here of any amount of speed =s

The next on the chopping block is a great example of a reaction feat.... except they slow and speed up time so it's actually difficult to really guess how fast he was in that particular scenario.

Not exactly sure how this adds to this fight in particular but, aye, yes it is.

See, ime not the only one who identifies that these leviathans do not go at hypersonic consistently and every time they move.....they can slow and speed up.

I would assume Kratos' weapons can take as much force as he can typically use them with, I dont see them being broken through force unless you mean its a special power? I dont know, I think their more than strong enough considering they spend so much time in Kratos' hands but on the other hand, theyve never run up against a brick wall to test their durability, most of the time if ime not mistaken they cut through what Kratos uses the mon.

Whats the speed of Lich and his attacks? I think it'd be easier to go from there.

IIRC Kratos does clash swords with other superhumans before and his weaps have held up. The Blade of Olympus has been in the middle of a tug-of-war between Kratos and Zeus, that counts for something.

"I would assume Kratos' weapons can take as much force as he can typically use them with"

*twitch-twitch* You spent several pages saying Bayonetta's sword and Bowser's claws would break when Scene and I were saying what you said here.

Originally posted by Burning thought
See, ime not the only one who identifies that these leviathans do not go at hypersonic consistently and every time they move.....they can slow and speed up.

I would assume Kratos' weapons can take as much force as he can typically use them with, I dont see them being broken through force unless you mean its a special power? I dont know, I think their more than strong enough considering they spend so much time in Kratos' hands but on the other hand, theyve never run up against a brick wall to test their durability, most of the time if ime not mistaken they cut through what Kratos uses the mon.

Well, I personally am not going to get involved in a real-life physics calculation. No disrespect to those that want to, but to me I find it pointless and I have no desire to be a part of such a discussion.

General game logic (something I'm happy to go with as it's simple and easy to figure out most of the time) usually goes like

If a weapon is significantly more durable than another, it has a tendancy to shatter it. (bad example as it's from comics books, but, adamantium against pretty much anything. Or how in the Buffy-verse they break metal weapons on durable enemies, wesley shattering an axe on Illyria's head for e.g. Even if you don't have the physical strength to do it, somehow it tends to happen all the same... anyway)

Unlike Real Physics, most game worlds nothing really takes damage while it's tougher than what it's striking. My point being, if Kratos is used to his strength being enough to impale his weapons, and from what i gather it really is a question of brute power for him, then what happens if he tries that against something much more durable. My guess is they* probably shatter and he'd fall face first into the soul sucking Frostmourne.

Of course that's just a theory. One I am more than happy for some Kratos supporters to disprove. But I feel it ought to be as it seems to me a very relevant point.

*(His normal weapons I make no assumptions for the Olympus blade, but all the same I didn't give it to him either.... well yet)

Originally posted by BloodRain
Whats the speed of Lich and his attacks? I think it'd be easier to go from there.

The Lich King as a Death Knight was able to easy cut an arrow fired by Ranger-General Sylvanas Windrunner in half mid-flight.

It's stated several times that Frostmourne is weightless to him as it is an extension of himself, they are one. It was precisely his speed that allowed him to kill Uther the Lightbringer, arguably the most powerful paladin to date in warcraft lore.

(Paladins being super effective against unholy types)

Originally posted by BloodRain

*twitch-twitch* You spent several pages saying Bayonetta's sword and Bowser's claws would break when Scene and I were saying what you said here.

Its not bayonettas sword, its a piece of equipment she gains in her journey and Bowsers claws are rarely used, theres very rare occasions when he uses them at all, punches are his mainstay which is what I said, makes sense.

Kratos, as you said actually clashes with his weapons and they are his weapons, their consistent from the beginning of his game and have feats with him using them in cutscenes at all times.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Well, I personally am not going to get involved in a real-life physics calculation. No disrespect to those that want to, but to me I find it pointless and I have no desire to be a part of such a discussion.

General game logic (something I'm happy to go with as it's simple and easy to figure out most of the time) usually goes like

If a weapon is significantly more durable than another, it has a tendancy to shatter it. (bad example as it's from comics books, but, adamantium against pretty much anything. Or how in the Buffy-verse they break metal weapons on durable enemies, wesley shattering an axe on Illyria's head for e.g. Even if you don't have the physical strength to do it, somehow it tends to happen all the same... anyway)

Unlike Real Physics, most game worlds nothing really takes damage while it's tougher than what it's striking. My point being, if Kratos is used to his strength being enough to impale his weapons, and from what i gather it really is a question of brute power for him, then what happens if he tries that against something much more durable. My guess is they* probably shatter and he'd fall face first into the soul sucking Frostmourne.

Of course that's just a theory. One I am more than happy for some Kratos supporters to disprove. But I feel it ought to be as it seems to me a very relevant point.

Well its hard to say tbh, off the top of my head I dont think they have shown a durability feat beyond claiming Kratos' strength as the norm. You could say the fact they have been with him through most of GoW 3 where he has had to smash through many weapons, titans and such would make them durable in game terms as you say, with math aside. Also, one thing to note is that he needs to use special fist mounted "cestus" that are like metal ornamental boxing gloves basically to break a certain element (cant recall its name) so I dont think his blades of w/e their called (they change their names) are actually invincible or can take all his force.

Double standards man, stardardus doublios.

The Lich King as a Death Knight was able to easy cut an arrow fired by Ranger-General Sylvanas Windrunner in half mid-flight.

It's stated several times that Frostmourne is weightless to him as it is an extension of himself, they are one. It was precisely his speed that allowed him to kill Uther the Lightbringer, arguably the most powerful paladin to date in warcraft lore.

(Paladins being super effective against unholy types)

So I don't think Lichy will get the edge in speed, or strength for that matter. IMO the best chance the King has is to either use some spells or to find a way to get a direct stab on the Spartan.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Double standards man, stardardus doublios.

Arrow speed is good, but that speed is below what Kratos has faced. For instance Zeus was able to jump from a mountain top to the clouds in a few seconds, thats supersonic. And thats one of the slower feats in GoW. Kratos bests people of this speed regularly.

So I don't think Lichy will get the edge in speed, or strength for that matter. IMO the best chance the King has is to either use some spells or to find a way to get a direct stab on the Spartan.

Seems everyone likes to throw around the "double standards" claim for any comparison regardless of reasons, if their not all measured the same apprently its a double standard. Context is relevent.

And Kratos does not best people of this speed on a regular basis, Zeus is a special case since hes the father of the gods and has far more power than any of them tbh, thing is what he bests is not speed, its endurance and strength. and most of his enemies, especially the really fast ones with special powers job terribly and dont use half of their powers when it could be useful, including Zeus.

..What the hells a 'stardardus' O__o

Saying is isnt then saying it is is that thing I said. Many of the gods are supersonic, Kratos wouldnt survive as well if he got blitzed by everyone. I 'think' have my qualms with the higher speed people here suggest, but Kratos easily has supersonic reactions. Being equal to Zeus or the one where Poseidon being clear examples.

Gonna look into Kratos speed stuffz.

But the thing is, none of them try to blitz him. Zeus tosses him about but when it comes down to afight, they fight in close quarters, face to face, no blitzes at all. Strength against strength, same with all his opponents, the only who used their speed was Hermes and Kratos had to smash him with a catapult (that he also launched with him holding on to clear some distance) and reduce him to a slow movement before he can hit him.

If poseidon sent his leviathan at Kratos the same way he Gaia then maybe, but even then he would see it because of hte distances theit traveling, Kinda like planes, a Jet can go at supersonic speed but if one was at a good distance and falling towards you, you could run out of the way because you dont have to go far. Kratos doesnt even face this.