Kratos vs The Lich King

Started by EvilAngel4 pages

Originally posted by BloodRain
Double standards man, stardardus doublios.

Arrow speed is good, but that speed is below what Kratos has faced. For instance Zeus was able to jump from a mountain top to the clouds in a few seconds, thats supersonic. And thats one of the slower feats in GoW. Kratos bests people of this speed regularly.

So I don't think Lichy will get the edge in speed, or strength for that matter. IMO the best chance the King has is to either use some spells or to find a way to get a direct stab on the Spartan.

I'm confused. "Zeus was able to jump from a mountain top to the clouds in a few seconds"

This doesn't sound like an attack. It sounds like Zeus... travelling.

My example gives a clear example of Arthas sensing an attack, then responding to it. An arrow is fired, he draws his sword and slices it in half in the time. It shows both reactive speed of him, as well as precision in his striking speed.

Now, If Kratos has... I don't know...batted a rock back, that would be something similar. Probably not as fast as an arrow, but it would show Kratos reacting to high speeds. From the examples Nemebro shown for example the only half decent example is Kratos catching a giants hand. Both seems slower and requires much less precision. If this is not a good example then that's fine. I would be happy to read or look at another.

But really...

"Zeus was able to jump from a mountain top to the clouds in a few seconds"

Really doesn't mean much to me. If there's something I'm missing about it, please enlighten me

Your not missing anything, BR is bringing up something Zeus "can do" and then like Nemebro and CC try to do, claim that this automatically mean Kratos has to have reacted at those speeds as if Zeus always does this in all their fights. This is not the case, Zeus and Kratos fight like a pair of angry drunks in a pub for want of a better irl example. They beat on eachother, throw eachother around a bit, smash things on eachother and Zeus never thinks about teleporting or just using his long range powers and when he does, his hubris gets the better of him and he gets tricked. Arthas wouldnt be so foolish imo.

Arthas has better reactions based on that feat, but again....I am only skeptic on how much harm he can do to Kratos or if Kratos can hit him first assuming theres distance due to the fact he has longer reach with his chain blades.

I probably should have pointed at on the Opening Post but; Arthas can't use The Fury of Frostmourne. An instant kill would be pointless in this vs.

He can use all his other displayed powers, most notably;

Remorseless Winter
Shadow Trap
Ice Sphere
Apocalypse

I know the other 3 but whats apoclaypse?

How do you know though? I mean, they have the speed and want Kratos does.. why wouldnt they be using their speed?

Kay someone needs to show me the speeds people give the whole water horse thing..

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I'm confused. "Zeus was able to jump from a mountain top to the clouds in a few seconds"

This doesn't sound like an attack. It sounds like Zeus... travelling.

My example gives a clear example of Arthas sensing an attack, then responding to it. An arrow is fired, he draws his sword and slices it in half in the time. It shows both reactive speed of him, as well as precision in his striking speed.

Now, If Kratos has... I don't know...batted a rock back, that would be something similar. Probably not as fast as an arrow, but it would show Kratos reacting to high speeds. From the examples Nemebro shown for example the only half decent example is Kratos catching a giants hand. Both seems slower and requires much less precision. If this is not a good example then that's fine. I would be happy to read or look at another.

But really...

"Zeus was able to jump from a mountain top to the clouds in a few seconds"

Really doesn't mean much to me. If there's something I'm missing about it, please enlighten me

It means Zeus is at least at that speed. And Kratos fights him evenly so has to have the reactions so not to be bested.

OH! The hand slap! Just remembered when me and BT were tinkering around with it I found out that the speed his hand was moving was actually Mach 3. I know it doesnt look it but ya gotta remember that the titan covered a mile in that slap. [Stated by devs]

Theres also how he beat that teleporting guy. I could show you a vid.. and by that I mean some GoW fan should go find and show that vid >__>

Thing is, even if Kratos ends up only having peak human reactions [he wont], Lich only has just above peak human reactions so speed will end up not meaning a thing. Basically either Kratos has much better reactions or reaction will be about equal. Then it comes down to 'can the King harm Kratos?' which in combat will be 'no'.

Also, what do those four things you mentioned do? o:

Originally posted by BloodRain
How do you know though? I mean, they have the speed and want Kratos does.. why wouldnt they be using their speed?

Kay someone needs to show me the speeds people give the whole water horse thing..

It means Zeus is at least at that speed. And Kratos fights him evenly so has to have the reactions so not to be bested.

OH! The hand slap! Just remembered when me and BT were tinkering around with it I found out that the speed his hand was moving was actually Mach 3. I know it doesnt look it but ya gotta remember that the titan covered a mile in that slap. [Stated by devs]

Theres also how he beat that teleporting guy. I could show you a vid.. and by that I mean some GoW fan should go find and show that vid >__>

Thing is, even if Kratos ends up only having peak human reactions [he wont], Lich only has just above peak human reactions so speed will end up not meaning a thing. Basically either Kratos has much better reactions or reaction will be about equal. Then it comes down to 'can the King harm Kratos?' which in combat will be 'no'.

Also, what do those four things you mentioned do? 😮

Because ive played it, they never use their speed on him and he never reacts to them, they fight him exactly the same way he fights most things, with their hands in Zeus' case. And the water horse thing may be going quick in one scene, but as EA and I said, it cant be assumed max speed in every situation can it, since it can change its speeds.

Also the teleporting guy BR mensioned halted teleporting between the fight which is when Kratos could hit him.

Also slashing an arrow out of the air is above human reactions.....and if ime not mistaken Frostmourne has a thirst for souls doesnt it? its been a long time since ive thought of Warcraft tbh.

Stupid emoticon >___>

So Zeus can eg punch at supersonic, but wont because it didnt look like he did?
Gonna wait til I see the details on that before commenting.

Whats your opinion on the Ma3 slap? Cant see how thats not legit.

Nah, been shown that under the right conditions a human can sometimes catch an arrow. A peak human would do better. Slashing out of the is past the human limits, but its barely into superhuman standards.

Not sure if he can punch at supersonic and if he did, kratos doesnt really counter he, more like grabs him or bashes him with something. I recall Zeus possibly launching Kratos at supersonic but its not like Kratos dodges it, he just takes the plunge.

I dont know, its not a reaction feat though, Kratos didnt avoid it or counter it really and again, he just sort of took it, also when your dealing with things of such size, even if its moving fast, its traveling a long distance so its still to Kratos' perception going at normal speed, anyone would have seen it, they just unlike Kratos would have become paste.

Ive never seen a human catch an arrow out of the air but slashing it in half is something else. Also EA, was Arthas faceing the shooter (sylvanas?) in this case?

Well I generally follow what I can to the best of my abilities I interpret as logic. I choose those words carefully.
Basically, if you were on a mountain and someone leapt upon it in a couple of seconds, there is no reactive feat there. I deduce this by the fact no action of that statement is affecting you. Plus, it took a few seconds. Reactive feats are things that happen in as little time as possible. While that is Super fast, and it is, it’s not, what I personally consider a decent reactive feat.

Cutting an arrow in half fired by a marksman of Sylvanas is level is far and away beyond the reactive speed of any human. That said I know I said it before, but I never assumed the Lich King’s attacks would be too fast for Kratos to react to. I’m certain I did. To be this particular topic I feel is fruitless. I think these claims are false, but whether they are or not makes no different to this thread so far as I can currently see.

I also don’t believe Arthas would be unable to harm Kratos in combat.
“Would Arthas be able to” is what I thought I was currently talking about.
“Arthas can not harm Kratos in combat” I feel is utterly false.

Remorseless Winter – Creates an aura of freezing ice around Arthas, slowing them significantly, the new version freezes them solid after a few seconds (it’s typically fatal to players)
Shadow Trap – Summons a circle of dark magic on the floor, if anyone else steps on it, well, boom
Ice Sphere – Summons a sphere of ice that floats in the cast direction, exploding and freezing upon anyone who gets near it.
Apocalypse – Sunders the earth around him in a large area causing it to break and fall

Other powers you might want to be aware of are;
Shockwave – Self Explanatory.
Ice Burst – Knocks anyone near him away affecting them with frost
Necrotic Plague – Name ought to speak for itself.
Pain and Suffering – Continually zaps anyone in front of him with shadow magic
Raging Spirit – Rips out a piece of the targets spirit, causing it to manifest as the target and attack them (Spirit, not soul, there seems to be a clear difference in World of Warcraft)
Defile – Defiles an area on the floor, wrapping the victims in a harmful leeching shadow magic, the more it affects anyone the larger the area grows.

Another power we should assume he also possesses is Death Grip – Uses dark magic to yank a target to him. There are of course many more known powers, and many more logically assumed ones, however this may already be an overload and overkill so we’ll just see.

BT: Have to remember that he was fighting mooks at the time and wasnt focusing on Cronos. He had to of reacted to it given his stance, if not he would have been lying flat.

EA: Thats not to give Zeus a reaction feat, its to give him a speed feat. A speed that Kratos can counter in hand to hand.

Should have figured that it would be at human speeds. Could just agree that their combat speed will be near enough the same.

Thats what I think. Kratos faced Zues who is of equal strength who was using the Blade of Olympus. Thats a foe with the strength and a weapon stronger than the King. I may be underestimating his sword but it would have to be impressive to match Olympus.

From what I gather the most effective ones there are that Plague depending on what it does, Raging Spirit if Kratos' soul resistance really doesnt matter for this (though he has defeated several clones of himself before), and possible the spells that freeze him over. Got an itch telling me that he's dealt with strong ice attacks before..

But how would he defend himself if Kratos physically attacks him? Because as powerful as he is, his chainblads could slice him from a distance.

He does not lift up Chronos' hand until a second or so later, its almost like he had enough space to stand anyway, even thought the titans fingers are pretty close together and he doesnt even realise hes not crushed Kratos until hes pushed it up completly. If you slapyour fingers together, unless you purposefully try and rub your palms together you can, form the small gap Kratos may have, consdering his size to Chronos fit in. Also stands toreason why Chronos didnt realise what was happening before he gets a stab.

Several months ago, I tried to kill a mosquito by slapping it between my hands mid-air. I slowly spread my palms expecting to see a mess, but to my surprise, the mosquito was seemingly completely unharmed and flew away. I was quite shocked and pissed, but it reminded me of this Kratos feat.

Still manages to catch it, can even see later that he was only on a knee from the impact.

Bigs guys hands aint like ours. Doesnt appear to have the dip, and if it was like irl then Kratos would only be pushing his spongy skin and wouldnt be able to push no matter how hard he tried. Le fiction~

'Sides, he aint too bright..

Originally posted by BloodRain
EA: Thats not to give Zeus a reaction feat, its to give him a speed feat. A speed that Kratos can counter in hand to hand.

Should have figured that it would be at human speeds. Could just agree that their combat speed will be near enough the same.

Thats what I think. Kratos faced Zues who is of equal strength who was using the Blade of Olympus. Thats a foe with the strength and a weapon stronger than the King. I may be underestimating his sword but it would have to be impressive to match Olympus.

From what I gather the most effective ones there are that Plague depending on what it does, Raging Spirit if Kratos' soul resistance really doesnt matter for this (though he has defeated several clones of himself before), and possible the spells that freeze him over. Got an itch telling me that he's dealt with strong ice attacks before..

But how would he defend himself if Kratos physically attacks him? Because as powerful as he is, his chainblads could slice him from a distance.

'A speed he can counter in hand to hand'. But that's not at all what you said. All that was said is; Zeus was able to jump from a mountain top to the clouds in a few seconds. There is no attack, thus there was no need for Kratos to 'counter'. The point is void as far as I can understand this,

We can agree if they are. From what I have seen of Kratos, and what I know of Arthas, Arthas would have a potentially significant striking speed advantage. I've also seen no one give me a straight answer as to Kratos's weapons feats themselves.

You want to know about Frostmourne? Very well I shall tell you all I know in short to-the-point bullet points.

- Arthas is able to wield the runeblade effortlessly, despite its size and weight
- It slices through plated armour with the same ease as though it were flesh
- It shatters most weapons it comes in contact with, including the elven runeblade Felo'melorn
- Those slain by Frostmourne have their souls drawn into the weapon
- Arthas, who has otherwise proven completely immune to cold once touched the blade barehanded and remarked that it was able to hurt even him with it being 'powerfully cold'
- Frostmourne can empower both itself and Arthas through devouring souls.

It's probably his potent magical power which kept the Dragons in doubt. But against mortal enemies he used his immense physical superiority.

He would fight with Frostmourne. He also has a retarded, if you'll pardon the word, amount of physical durability. A loaded attack from Tirion with the Ashbringer only weakened him somewhat

Well I assumed you knew it was to reference the speed of an apponent that Kratos beat. Speeds gonna be a non factor in this match anyhow.

From his arrow-timing he'd still be slower than opponets Kratos has faced, making his speed moot. To quote Neme's quote:
This is from the God of War novel.

" 'You turn your hand against my creatures.' Artemis lowered the aim of her bow. 'Witness how I turn my hand against yours.' She released her arrow, which shot from her bow more swiftly than lightning and before it could strike, another arrow appeared and was released. So many arrows flew soswiftly,thatthegladeseemed filled with a golden haze, thatbuzzed and snarled likea nest of angry hornets. After that single instant, Artemis lowered her bow and looked up at Ares; 'So?' The God of War looked down upon his army, every once living creatureof hisin thatgladelay dead. Every undead creaturewasmutilated beyond recognition. The wolves and bears and elk stood untouched."

Artemis, a relatively minor god,wascapableof thisfeat.I do not think itisa stretch to assume thatZeuswasfaster.

Could Lich slash these arrows out of the air?

Thats because you dont usually get durabilty feats for weapons. Being wielded buy the powerhouses Zeus and Kratos is the best feat its gonna get.

Shattering weapons and the cold blade being the two greatest assets for this match. So far it seems the only threat is his ice magic/blade. And as strong and durable as he might be it wont come close to the Spartans strength. Not unless Tirion and Ashbringer are both insanely powerful as a person and a weapon.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Lich King doesn't have a soul, Frostmourne stole it the moment he touched the sword.

Does Kratos have a soul? =P

Yes, but Hades, who passively regulates and controls all the souls of the dead, could not rip out Kratos' soul.

/waits for BT lowballing.

Kratos is very strong, that's true. But that might not even be a factor if his weapon shatters, so I repeat a previous request that would be what have his weapons shown to resist. Frostmourne has on more than one occasion shattered clean through weapons and their masters in the same stroke. Saurfang the Younger being one, Sylvanas Windrunner another.

It has even shattered other Runeweapons, and it's my understanding that the Olympus weapon Kratos wields is both drained and a shell of it's former self?

I'm curious of what feats it has, if any in particular that can be used.

I have no idea who told you the Blade of Olympus was drained and weakened. If anything, it is stronger, after Kratos at the beginning of God of War 2 poured his godly power into it.

What are the "feats" so to speak of the weapons Frostmourne has shattered?

Okay wow wow wow.

Firstly, that corpse to me, was very clearly thrown to the side of Kratos, who steps aside to see what it did hit. I watched it twice, first time *raises hand* i didn't have my glasses on, the second time i did, and these work.

Had Shin freeze the frames to check up on this, you are correct.

For me, 'undeniably supersonic' would mean providing indisputable proof of it. To be fair all we see here is someone fly down and crash into a titan. There's no proof here of any amount of speed =s

Huh? I'm talking about the Leviathan that shoots out of the water to grab a a Titan, it traveled many times the Titan's height in less than a second. A Titan is hundreds of meters tall (CosmicComet says 500 on average, will ask him about that), that is very demonstratably supersonic. Actually, one could easily argue it as hypersonic.

The next on the chopping block is a great example of a reaction feat.... except they slow and speed up time so it's actually difficult to really guess how fast he was in that particular scenario.

Any particular reason why Poseidon would consciously slow the Leviathan down? We've seen how fast they can go, and honestly a fourth of its top speed would be faster than Arthas, whose best feat is reacting to Illidan (Who performed a feat similar to Zeus' going above the clouds, so supersonic at least).

Not exactly sure how this adds to this fight in particular but, aye, yes it is.

Mostly that he would be capable of closing the distance.

But then there is Artemis' feat, which is a great reaction-time feat, and I have no reason to believe she would be faster than Zeus, king of the gods. The only god that we can safely say is faster would probably be Hermes.

Oh, have another strength feat.

YouTube video

Go to about 8:15.

This one is easy to miss. In the background, we see one of the Leviathans grabbing a Titan by the ankle, overpowering his grip on the mountain-top, and pulling it down. Kratos overpowers Leviathans, and IIRC even overpowered Poseidon's main body. Similarly, in part of the fight, a Leviathan overpowers Gaia's fist, with Kratos being capable of overpowering the Leviathan.

Honestly? In a physical battle, I don't think Arthas has much of a chance at all. Kratos is demonstratably faster, vastly stronger, and if he has the Blade of Olympus (You didn't give it to him, sure, but why would he not have it? Vs. forum rules dictate that the version of the character used is the latest version, who had it. Kratos has the blade all throughout GoW3. ), he has a more powerful weapon (Ended Great Titan War, can kill Titans in a single attack, etc). How durable is Arthas? Kratos has taken hits from people just as strong as he was, been knocked flying by a volcanic eruption without being injured, and some other shit that I forget.

What does The Fury of Frostmourne do by the way?

YouTube video4:48
Reacts to a point-blank explosion. Said explosion being powerful enough to destroy the upper section/room of a pillar that supported the World, so it was at least hypersonic.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
'A speed he can counter in hand to hand'. But that's not at all what you said. All that was said is; Zeus was able to jump from a mountain top to the clouds in a few seconds. There is no attack, thus there was no need for Kratos to 'counter'. The point is void as far as I can understand this,

We can agree if they are. From what I have seen of Kratos, and what I know of Arthas, Arthas would have a potentially significant striking speed advantage. I've also seen no one give me a straight answer as to Kratos's weapons feats themselves.

You want to know about Frostmourne? Very well I shall tell you all I know in short to-the-point bullet points.

- Arthas is able to wield the runeblade effortlessly, despite its size and weight
- It slices through plated armour with the same ease as though it were flesh
- It shatters most weapons it comes in contact with, including the elven runeblade Felo'melorn
- Those slain by Frostmourne have their souls drawn into the weapon
- Arthas, who has otherwise proven completely immune to cold once touched the blade barehanded and remarked that it was able to hurt even him with it being 'powerfully cold'
- Frostmourne can empower both itself and Arthas through devouring souls.

It's probably his potent magical power which kept the Dragons in doubt. But against mortal enemies he used his immense physical superiority.

He would fight with Frostmourne. He also has a retarded, if you'll pardon the word, amount of physical durability. A loaded attack from Tirion with the Ashbringer only weakened him somewhat

Possibly, but Zeus has attempted to speedblitz Kratos before, and failed.

YouTube video2:16
Kratos is able to decapitate the Barbarian King before he has a chance to complete his swing, while it looks as if time has slowed to a literal crawl (if you are fairly sharp-eyed, you can see a hint of movement from the BK's arms at approx 2:18).

Are you looking for the feats of just his signature Blades? Or all of his weapons?

- Kratos' Blades of Chaos/Athena/Exile are also capable of going through armour as if it were not there. The latter two have also gone through Zeus, who is a lot more durable than armour, while the former has wounded Ares, whose armor was supposed to be invincible to attacks from weapons (though I may be mis-remembering this).
- The Blades of Athena have ripped through the claws of the Leviathans, who are all incredibly strong and durable.
- The Blades of Exile have cut through Cronos' finger and they've been impaled in his finger-nail.
- The Blades are capable of draining energy from those they strike, and supplying Kratos with that energy. Gives him the ability to regenerate, and adding to his own regeneration.
- The chains & blades are surrounded by hellfire/underworld fire and iirc, they are capable of boiling a sizeable amount of water very quickly.

- Felo'melorn's feats?

This is without getting into his other weapons. One can rip out souls of gods, phase through any matter, and summon the souls of defeated enemies to use them for combat. Two weapons amp his striking power by a considerable degree, and one of those has helped him punch a hole in a weakened goddess while the other has helped him cave Hercules' face. One gives him infinite spear tosses. Another one has been used to kill a Titan (though this was done by Artemis, not Kratos, the feat still stands for the weapon). Finally, there's his Blade of Olympus.

Then there are his numerous magics, some combat-related relics like the Golden Fleece which lets him return attacks from his enemies, 2/4 amp modes (2 are confirmed to be canon while the other two could be gameplay only), the power of Hope which helped him own Ares & the very concept of Fear, and so on and so forth.

How powerful is Tirion with the Ashbringer?
The explosion of a point blank Lightning strike did not harm Kratos (conversely, it harmed Gaia's arm significantly, and her hand is durable enough to remain intact after a fall from Mt. Olympus to Tartarus), and Zeus slashing his torso with the Blade of Olympus does not slow him down. Of course, this is end-of-GoW2/GoW3 Kratos. GoW1 Kratos was less durable as far as feats are concerned.

Originally posted by NemeBro

Huh? I'm talking about the Leviathan that shoots out of the water to grab a a Titan, it traveled many times the Titan's height in less than a second. A Titan is hundreds of meters tall (CosmicComet says 500 on average, will ask him about that), that is very demonstratably supersonic. Actually, one could easily argue it as hypersonic.

Stig Asmussen has stated that Cronos was over 1600 feet tall. Most Titans are supposed to be roughly his height.

So yeah, about 500 meters.

Thanks for the extra feats.

Oh, one more feat I just remembered, is Kratos overpowering Hercules.

Now, I need verification on this next part: Is it true that in supplementary material, GoW's Hercules has held aloft the world as Atlas does? I've heard that before, can you (Or CC) verify it?

"Kratos strained like Hercules lifting the Sky from Atlas' shoulders," is what's written in the novel.

Atlas holds the Earth in GoW mythos, but this means that Hercules did in fact lift something as a part of one of his labours, and that his Labours were known to the rest of the world at that point in time. He even directly references his 12 Labours in GoW3. There's also the fact that some GoW characters are more or less intended to be the same as their Greek Myth counterparts unless otherwise stated.

It's a little hazy I suppose so it depends on your viewpoint.

Originally posted by BloodRain

Artemis was capable of that feat. This is not Kratos. I thought you guys used to throw out ABC logic. Honestly I do not know if he could. He probably wouldn’t, he’d just blast them all with magic. But that’s not the speed feat you’re wanting me to claim. Well I cannot, I could not say with certainty.

Let me quote the text of Arthas’s feat

Sylvanas had taken aim for the human- or once-human Prince, and her aim was as true as ever. The arrow sang as it sped towards Arthas’ unprotected head. But in an instant before it struck, she saw a flash of blue-white.
Sylvanas stared. More swifty than she could fathom, Arthas had brought up his sword, the runes on it emitted that cold blue-white glow, and sliced the arrow in two. He grinned at her and winked

Without feats the ‘ice’ you're are walking on seems pretty thin to be honest. That said were it to be decided Frostmourne would shatter his normal weapons I would be inclined to give him the Olypmus sword. But from my current perspective Frostmourne seems rather obviously far more potent a weapon than his normal weapons at the very least. I’ve been given no reason yet to question this.

That sounds a lot like an assumption. Tirion is the strongest living paladin we know of. He wields the most powerful weapon of the light we know of, who in the hands of a lesser paladin was capable of an insanely powerful attack. If you then put the same weapon in the hands of a more powerful paladin, who attacked Arthas on holy ground and it only managed to weaken him is just… nonsense.
These facts in mind, while I’m not arrogant enough to say “you may want to review which of these two is the more durable”, it I imagine is far beyond your expectations, is it not?

Originally posted by NemeBro

It’s already been stated it can only steal your soul from being killed by it, of from wielding it. It’s a moot point but a fun thought.

While I appreciate the thought, I’m not sure you can expect me to list the feats of the two characters, one who is an immortal Ranger-General and protected of the High Elves, whom to my own disappointment there are no books about her specifically, and I’m not in the habit of buying books with characters I like in who just pass by in it. Saurfangs best feat of the few I am aware of is actually in the Wrathgate cinematic. He cleaved through 3 chosen Vrykul in one swing.

I confess. I don’t clearly get the connection of that guy crashing into the titan to Kratos.

The video slows down, not the attack. It slows for what I am guessing is a ‘reaction command’ of sorts? But as the flow of time is not in sync how exactly can it be clearly worked out how fast he reacted.

More abc logic? Let me know if we are using this, if so the Lich King is the most powerful undead in Azeroth. That would give him almost an immeasurable number of feats. Personally I think it’s bullshit, but if it’s insisted in being slung then well… I’ve got trebuchet’s full of it.

I see a giant of some kind being yanked off a cliff. I could point out something about that tricky little factor some claim to exist known as gravity. What relation it has to a rock giant of that size scientists are still working on. There’s also the grip factor at play. Ever had someone try to pull you off those climbing walls. Me neither but I cannot imagine it would take much. Also I’ve only even seen Kratos overpower a hand or some fingers. Oh and Zeus so, these statements sound a bit lavish compared to what I’ve seen so far.

Honestly I am starting to think Kratos is hyped. But I welcome that to be disproved, I never intended to set up a spite match.
Aye, that’s true, there’s also that forum rule where non-game material are considered non-canon unless stated in the opening post otherwise, I certainly mentioned using other things for Arthas but....
For now take it that in my head, Kratos would not have seen reason to use the Olypmus blade yet. Humour me.

The Fury of Frostmourne unleashes Frostmourne’s power all around him. I.E you die. It’s an extremely powerful shadow area spell.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

His shield was already raised when she explodes. How can you possibly take this anticipated block and say, oh he reacted to it. Show me the logic of that…

Yeah, I saw movement. Do you think that might have something to do with his head being sliced off?

The problem with this list is that, can you separate these feats from Kratos. I said it before that most of what I can see, is that Kratos is so physically strong against his enemies that he forces theim blades through. Is there any specific feat where it is clearly shown to be the blades alone? Also that draining aspect sounds a lot like a gameplay mechanic, I assume you can briefly explain to me how that’s not so?

Felo’Melorn has actually no feats. It was new in the Arthas book. That said, it was stated to be the most powerful weapon the Quel’dorali possess. So if I played the abc game, plenty I guess. It’s also a runeblade which has its own definitions in the world of warcraft. Basically, they “are all incredibly strong and durable.” Using your words.

Good luck ripping out a soul which isn’t there. Arthas can summon the spirit out of any enemy and make replicates using that. Spirit being different from the soul. So if you want to play the summons game, I think the Lich King wins. I think. He’s the guy who control all the scourge right?
Returning magic would do literally nothing to the Lich King. The powers he’s been show to use are frost and shadow. Guess what magics he’s been shown to be immune to. While I appreciate a no limit fallacy, that would only work if you imply Arthas’s magic power has no limits, in which case I would then be included to switch-aroo that argument on the golden fleece. Just shooting that down before you get a chance to run with it.

Significantly more powerful than Mograine. Did not harm or did not slow down?