Originally posted by BloodRain
Still manages to catch it, can even see later that he was only on a knee from the impact.Bigs guys hands aint like ours. Doesnt appear to have the dip, and if it was like irl then Kratos would only be pushing his spongy skin and wouldnt be able to push no matter how hard he tried. Le fiction~
'Sides, he aint too bright..
From my recent viewing, it seems to me he was standing, then he kneeled to push it up and use some strength. ALso logically he should be making a hole in Chronos hand, not pushing the whole thing up, so unless hes really careful with his presure or something, something is amiss. I dont think Kratos "cought" the blow, if anything it looks like he was in the palm crevice like AG and I mentioned.
Also what does Demonic mean when he says Kratos "reacted" to the explosion in that scene? it exploded, shattered the pillar, and?
Demon is also hyping the way that cutscene for Kratos is displayed, the barbarian king also bursted a mans head without the charge of horses moving, the whole scene is done like your looking at a painting and then moving rom one scene to another.
And the whole Herc thing is ambigious, the way Greeks percived the world, the universe and how things worked was completly unique to the actual science we employ, so people holding up the sky does not really mean anything, although we know Hercules strength at the point he fought Kratos and it peaks out at about 500-1000 tons at best, although arguable since he couldnt push the same object he moved off him just because Kratos was standing on it, apprently add a humans weight and herc was stranded.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
His shield was already raised when she explodes. How can you possibly take this anticipated block and say, oh he reacted to it. Show me the logic of that…Yeah, I saw movement. Do you think that might have something to do with his head being sliced off?
The problem with this list is that, can you separate these feats from Kratos. I said it before that most of what I can see, is that Kratos is so physically strong against his enemies that he forces theim blades through. Is there any specific feat where it is clearly shown to be the blades alone? Also that draining aspect sounds a lot like a gameplay mechanic, I assume you can briefly explain to me how that’s not so?
Felo’Melorn has actually no feats. It was new in the Arthas book. That said, it was stated to be the most powerful weapon the Quel’dorali possess. So if I played the abc game, plenty I guess. It’s also a runeblade which has its own definitions in the world of warcraft. Basically, they “are all incredibly strong and durable.” Using your words.
Good luck ripping out a soul which isn’t there. Arthas can summon the spirit out of any enemy and make replicates using that. Spirit being different from the soul. So if you want to play the summons game, I think the Lich King wins. I think. He’s the guy who control all the scourge right?
Returning magic would do literally nothing to the Lich King. The powers he’s been show to use are frost and shadow. Guess what magics he’s been shown to be immune to. While I appreciate a no limit fallacy, that would only work if you imply Arthas’s magic power has no limits, in which case I would then be included to switch-aroo that argument on the golden fleece. Just shooting that down before you get a chance to run with it.Significantly more powerful than Mograine. Did not harm or did not slow down?
No, his shield was at his side at the instant she exploded and only moved once that initial shockwave of force was about to hit him. How can you possibly take this as an anticipated block and say oh he did not react to it? Show me the logic of that.
Nah, I saw movement from his arms a few moments before his head was sliced. Do you think that had something to do with his head being sliced off moments later?
Indeed. We attribute it to his strength for the most part.
But the blades themselves have remained perfectly intact from everything he's done with them. The only time one of them has been damaged was when he fell into the Styx.
That energy drain + regen is mentioned in the book.
Somehow, using my own words means that something is definitely powerful. 😛
What's the difference between the soul and the spirit in the WoW universe?
Because what Arthas is doing sounds to be fairly similar to what Kratos does. Whichever one has more in common with the soul in GoW verse would be the one to look at.
Ah, he controls the Scourge? Kratos as the God of War controls armies. So if you want to play the army game, I think the Lich King's advantage is nullified by Kratos' armies. Because he controls armies and monsters.
So returning Lich King's magic attacks would be useless against the Lich King as he's apparently immune to his own magic. But they'd also be useless against Kratos who would just return them. Any physical attacks too. dur313
Both. He no-sold (wasn't harmed by) the Lightning Bolt, and tanked the Blade attack. He loses a minute amount of gameplay health to indicate that he's being damaged by the Blade of Olympus.
Sorry, still don't see the Lich King to be this big threat you make him out to be.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No, his shield was at his side at the instant she exploded and only moved once that initial shockwave of force was about to hit him. How can you possibly take this as an anticipated block and say oh he did not react to it? Show me the logic of that.Nah, I saw movement from his arms a few moments before his head was sliced. Do you think that had something to do with his head being sliced off moments later?
Indeed. We attribute it to his strength for the most part.
But the blades themselves have remained perfectly intact from everything he's done with them. The only time one of them has been damaged was when he fell into the Styx.
That energy drain + regen is mentioned in the book.Somehow, using my own words means that something is definitely powerful. 😛
What's the difference between the soul and the spirit in the WoW universe?
Because what Arthas is doing sounds to be fairly similar to what Kratos does. Whichever one has more in common with the soul in GoW verse would be the one to look at.
Ah, he controls the Scourge? Kratos as the God of War controls armies. So if you want to play the army game, I think the Lich King's advantage is nullified by Kratos' armies. Because he controls armies and monsters.
So returning Lich King's magic attacks would be useless against the Lich King as he's apparently immune to his own magic. But they'd also be useless against Kratos who would just return them. Any physical attacks too. dur313Both. He no-sold (wasn't harmed by) the Lightning Bolt, and tanked the Blade attack. He loses a minute amount of gameplay health to indicate that he's being damaged by the Blade of Olympus.
Sorry, still don't see the Lich King to be this big threat you make him out to be.
Unless you yourself are a hypersonic reacting being, you cannot know that. If you actually look closely you see his shield up before the 'hypersonic' speed explosion hits. Which I have to ask, how was it someone worked out it is Hypersonic? Here, a screen shot of the shadow of his shield up before it actually explodes. If you manage to pause it on this point you can also hear that there is no ‘boom' before this moment, only after. Before you start prattling on about logic what don’t you reason; what is more likely, a person anticipating a growing noise and brightening light to be an impending explosion and raising a shield in preparation, or them standing look at it until it starts to erupt and then decides to shield themselves. Depends on how intelligent you think Kratos to be I suppose…. Maybe I can see your reasoning but you are still mistaken on this point.
Um… I’m not sure that really worked as a retort… but okay. You see movement in his arms, I just see the wispy smoke that engulfs him ripple and move. Watch it again carefully, rewind and watch it several times in rapid succession. He doesn’t move, the smoke-like-thing does.
I understand that, however my point rests on what I said before.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I use these words because all we know is that they are very powerful. Battle tide-turning even. But in truth, the extent of their power has always seemed vague to me.
The soul is the immortal essence of a person. Their good will and all of the classics reside in the soul and it is the part that should live on forever (or whatever). Souls also retain that persons personality and memories also as seen by Terenas and Uther who have spoken from within Frostmourne, the same as what they were just without corporeal bodies.
The spirit seems to be* a mental consciousness which inhabits the body, as even though without souls being seem to have spirits. The spirits that are seen on Azeroth as harmful entities seem to reflect the person who it belonged to state of being at their time of death. These are often confused, and full of rage at a violent death or something of the sort. There is a lot more I can speculate on but this is all you really need to know. I would be very surprised if you related the souls in GoW to the spirits not soul of Warcraft. Very surprised.
*(Arthas lost his soul in the middle of Reign of Chaos, yet there are several references to what was going on inside his Spirit as the Lich King)
Only the magics which the golden fleece could actually block would be ‘useless’ even then I’m not convinced. In direct relation to that there are not many. Arthas only has about 2 or 3 projectile spells.
I do believe I would like to see this. I cannot think of many instances where the PC is hurt in a cinematic, and none where that is directly reflected on your character in game. If the blade of Olympus could barely hurt him that only reflects on the blade given other things the player has to do throughout the game that would otherwise kill or maim him.
That’s fair enough. At the moment I don’t see:
- Any feats that indicate his weapons would not get destroyed by Frostmourne
- A durability feat comparable to the Lich Kings
- Any evidence to suggest he’s a battle-swift as the Lich King
- Any evidence of the wits of a battlemaster. Certainly no where even remotely close to the Lich King on an intellectual level
- Any feats be what they have been claimed to be by the people arguing for him.
We all have our disappointments. Hopefully some of them can be solved before this is all said and done.
After Ganon Kratos is the most hyped here, especially strengthwise. Youve got some people who probably think or imply he could lift the planet, and some think hes got millions of tons of strength. Why then does he need the use of a cyclopse with a wooden club? to knock a few mooks off their feet, infact if you get too close to the mooks they just push kratos away....
Thats actually scripted and canon, just as required as him tearing off helios' head in the first place, and iirc he also struggles to rip the Cyclopse eye out as well, considering the fact his best feats, those concerning Titans are really just hyped out of proportion anyway especially when they use their smallest pinches on him with an unkown amount of force, and the leviathan is once again being hyped, assumed to be moving at full speed and strength regardless of the situation.
It also takes some effort to rip off Helios' head..this scene alone shows about 3 undeniable counters to Kratos' strength while his best feats can be argued for a long time. Unless someones argument is "zomg, but itz Olmypian trees the Cyclops uses and they can take Titan punches!" then this would have to be proven, they look no more unique to any other tree the Cyclopse have used in previous games.
I dont think Kratos has any feats to suggest he can take blows from the LK on his flesh.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Unless you yourself are a hypersonic reacting being, you cannot know that. If you actually look closely you see his shield up before the 'hypersonic' speed explosion hits. Which I have to ask, how was it someone worked out it is Hypersonic? Here, a screen shot of the shadow of his shield up before it actually explodes. If you manage to pause it on this point you can also hear that there is no ‘boom' before this moment, only after. Before you start prattling on about logic what don’t you reason; what is more likely, a person anticipating a growing noise and brightening light to be an impending explosion and raising a shield in preparation, or them standing look at it until it starts to erupt and then decides to shield themselves. Depends on how intelligent you think Kratos to be I suppose…. Maybe I can see your reasoning but you are still mistaken on this point.Um… I’m not sure that really worked as a retort… but okay. You see movement in his arms, I just see the wispy smoke that engulfs him ripple and move. Watch it again carefully, rewind and watch it several times in rapid succession. He doesn’t move, the smoke-like-thing does.
I understand that, however my point rests on what I said before.
There is a link to it, just the upper response. The Arcanite Reaper Saurfang the Younger used shown no sign of any damage to it despite the way he used it, yet was shattered utterly from crossing with Frostmourne.
I use these words because all we know is that they are very powerful. Battle tide-turning even. But in truth, the extent of their power has always seemed vague to me.
The soul is the immortal essence of a person. Their good will and all of the classics reside in the soul and it is the part that should live on forever (or whatever). Souls also retain that persons personality and memories also as seen by Terenas and Uther who have spoken from within Frostmourne, the same as what they were just without corporeal bodies.
The spirit seems to be* a mental consciousness which inhabits the body, as even though without souls being seem to have spirits. The spirits that are seen on Azeroth as harmful entities seem to reflect the person who it belonged to state of being at their time of death. These are often confused, and full of rage at a violent death or something of the sort. There is a lot more I can speculate on but this is all you really need to know. I would be very surprised if you related the souls in GoW to the spirits not soul of Warcraft. Very surprised.*(Arthas lost his soul in the middle of Reign of Chaos, yet there are several references to what was going on inside his Spirit as the Lich King)
Only the magics which the golden fleece could actually block would be ‘useless’ even then I’m not convinced. In direct relation to that there are not many. Arthas only has about 2 or 3 projectile spells.
I do believe I would like to see this. I cannot think of many instances where the PC is hurt in a cinematic, and none where that is directly reflected on your character in game. If the blade of Olympus could barely hurt him that only reflects on the blade given other things the player has to do throughout the game that would otherwise kill or maim him.
That’s fair enough. At the moment I don’t see:
- Any feats that indicate his weapons would not get destroyed by Frostmourne
- A durability feat comparable to the Lich Kings
- Any evidence to suggest he’s a battle-swift as the Lich King
- Any evidence of the wits of a battlemaster. Certainly no where even remotely close to the Lich King on an intellectual level
- Any feats be what they have been claimed to be by the people arguing for him.We all have our disappointments. Hopefully some of them can be solved before this is all said and done.
Can you show me another explosion comparable to one that is capable of destroying a section of a pillar that supports the World, that isn't hypersonic?
Err no, there is very audible boom at the moment that screenshot takes place. There is an audible boom before that screenshot takes place, and in fact, the boom starts here. I know this because I slowed the video down considerably, i.e. that light is the explosion. Looks like the one mistaken is you.
You apparently did not hear it (could be you, or the video), but it's pointless as Kratos only lifts his shield after the initial shockwave reached him; the shockwave that is emitted by any high/supersonic explosion or higher. The shockwave has barely passed before his shield is up.
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A bright light and a growing noise is supposed to be indicative of an explosion? Really?
Tell me, when you learned that something was dangerous for the first time by experiencing it (something simple like touching a hot stove-top or something else), did you already know before-hand that said item/activity was dangerous? So tell me, how would someone who has never seen a god's death, or indeed, anything like a person glowing and making noise, be able to know that an explosion is imminent?
Re-read the retort then. estahuh
I understand you seeing it as smoke and wisp. It isn't. I suggest you carefully watch it over and over again. You'll see his arms rise by a small amount before he loses his head. Look at his right arm in particular.
Unless of course, you are saying Kratos was fast enough that the BK couldn't even move at all, since the BK wasn't 'time-stopped' like some of the others in that scene, as his body moved after his head was sliced off. 313
So the soul is the classic definition of the soul, and spirit refers to one's mind/consciousness? Though that evil spirit thing throws me off a little.
And no, I'm not going to make a connection that isn't there, not unless you've provided me with faulty information. 😛
It has redirected immaterial beams that can stone Kratos or erect barriers that cannot be passed through, Zeus' Lightning Bolts, physical attacks from Zeus, energy attacks from a Sister of Fate, one of which was capable of damaging the same sword that killed Ares, and other stuff I cannot recall at this moment.
I'll see if I can find the video. And when the Blade of Olympus has cut through a Titan's gut as if it were human flesh (which is far more impressive than anything I've seen from the Lich King's Frostmourne), I do wonder how that would reflect negatively on the Blade and not positively on Kratos' durability with respect to Bladed weapons. I guess the Lich King surviving a 'loaded' attack reflects negatively on the Ashbringer in Tirion's hands..
I know we're all disappointed. I mean, I haven't seen a single feat from the Lich King that would tell us that:
- The Lich King could get close enough to use Frostmourne.
- The Lich King could react before his head is ten feet away from his body.
- The Lich King would even be able to see Kratos getting in close.
- The Lich King would survive Gorgon Magics, or get past being blinded by Light Manipulation.
- The Lich King would not be vaporized by Poseidon's Rage.
- The Lich King would not be immolated by the fire surrounding the Blades.
- The Lich King would be able to get past Kratos' Amulet of the Fates which slows Time.
- The Lich King would be able to negate Kratos's time manip with the Loom Chamber, with which he could just send the Lich King to the past, or future, or some other place even.
- Frostmourne is supposedly strong enough to even nick Kratos.
- Frostmourne is supposedly strong enough to shatter Chain Blades that can hurt a Titan (that particular instance wasn't entirely strength, as Kratos barely had any leverage and was on the finger of Cronos)
If you really want to keep handwaving feats away, there's no point to this thread as we can both do it. I cannot be bothered to reply to that more than once.
"A titans gut", at that level it may as well be human flesh. Infact comparatively speaking, Cronos does not have much stronger, if at all flesh than a human would be if it was his size. He is so covered in bloody damage to his body from chains and such that a huamn would also be if you tightened chains aronud them that tightly. I dont think Chronos has tanked anything that would prove his flesh comparatively speaking would be any resistance at that level. Especially inside his body.
Also, I lol at the loom chamber being brought up as if its in this thread and the amulet of fates which requires area specific statues to actiavte. kratos has no time powers outside of the loom chamber itself or the sisters home.
Not to mension the fact that Kratos did not react ot the explosion, simply light coming from her body. Which can be seen shielded again by how light is around Kratos' block, not through him.
Yeah, no. At his size, humans would not be capable of existing.
EA has not specified what is and what is not present.
He first went to fight Zeus in his past. After returning to the Loom in the present, he went back to the far past, and sent a bunch of Titans and himself to Mt. Olympus. He does not have to physically be in the Chamber itself to manip time & space.
Light = explosion.
~ Do be quiet. Mom and Dad are talking.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Can you show me another explosion comparable to one that is capable of destroying a section of a pillar that supports the World, that isn't hypersonic?
Err no, there is very audible boom at the moment that screenshot takes place. There is an audible boom before that screenshot takes place, and in fact, the boom starts here. I know this because I slowed the video down considerably, i.e. that light is the explosion. Looks like the one mistaken is you.
You apparently did not hear it (could be you, or the video), but it's pointless as Kratos only lifts his shield after the initial shockwave reached him; the shockwave that is emitted by any high/supersonic explosion or higher. The shockwave has barely passed before his shield is up.
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/Rising_god_Phoenix/Explosion01.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/Rising_god_Phoenix/Explosion02.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/Rising_god_Phoenix/Explosion03.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/Rising_god_Phoenix/Explosion04.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/Rising_god_Phoenix/Explosion06.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/Rising_god_Phoenix/Explosion07.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/Rising_god_Phoenix/Explosion08.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/Rising_god_Phoenix/Explosion09.jpgA bright light and a growing noise is supposed to be indicative of an explosion? Really?
Tell me, when you learned that something was dangerous for the first time by experiencing it (something simple like touching a hot stove-top or something else), did you already know before-hand that said item/activity was dangerous? So tell me, how would someone who has never seen a god's death, or indeed, anything like a person glowing and making noise, be able to know that an explosion is imminent?Re-read the retort then. estahuh
I understand you seeing it as smoke and wisp. It isn't. I suggest you carefully watch it over and over again. You'll see his arms rise by a small amount before he loses his head. Look at his right arm in particular.
Unless of course, you are saying Kratos was fast enough that the BK couldn't even move at all, since the BK wasn't 'time-stopped' like some of the others in that scene, as his body moved after his head was sliced off. 313So the soul is the classic definition of the soul, and spirit refers to one's mind/consciousness? Though that evil spirit thing throws me off a little.
And no, I'm not going to make a connection that isn't there, not unless you've provided me with faulty information. 😛It has redirected immaterial beams that can stone Kratos or erect barriers that cannot be passed through, Zeus' Lightning Bolts, physical attacks from Zeus, energy attacks from a Sister of Fate, one of which was capable of damaging the same sword that killed Ares, and other stuff I cannot recall at this moment.
I'll see if I can find the video. And when the Blade of Olympus has cut through a Titan's gut as if it were human flesh (which is far more impressive than anything I've seen from the Lich King's Frostmourne), I do wonder how that would reflect negatively on the Blade and not positively on Kratos' durability with respect to Bladed weapons. I guess the Lich King surviving a 'loaded' attack reflects negatively on the Ashbringer in Tirion's hands..
I know we're all disappointed. I mean, I haven't seen a single feat from the Lich King that would tell us that:
- The Lich King could get close enough to use Frostmourne.
- The Lich King could react before his head is ten feet away from his body.
- The Lich King would even be able to see Kratos getting in close.
- The Lich King would survive Gorgon Magics, or get past being blinded by Light Manipulation.
- The Lich King would not be vaporized by Poseidon's Rage.
- The Lich King would not be immolated by the fire surrounding the Blades.
- The Lich King would be able to get past Kratos' Amulet of the Fates which slows Time.
- The Lich King would be able to negate Kratos's time manip with the Loom Chamber, with which he could just send the Lich King to the past, or future, or some other place even.
- Frostmourne is supposedly strong enough to even nick Kratos.
- Frostmourne is supposedly strong enough to shatter Chain Blades that can hurt a Titan (that particular instance wasn't entirely strength, as Kratos barely had any leverage and was on the finger of Cronos)If you really want to keep handwaving feats away, there's no point to this thread as we can both do it. I cannot be bothered to reply to that more than once.
‘At the moment’ is correct. Because it’s the same instant she goes kaboom. Also your screen shots 8 & 9 shows light coming from … his shield is that? Thus supporting my position that he was on guard from the moment she exploded, that he did not whip it out before the blast hit him.
You are right, I withdraw that point. I based it off the assumption GoW universe had magics, spells. In most universes even the basic fireball does both of these things before it is fully ready.
I really don’t even get that video at all. It just looks like that mist/smoke is holding him still while Kratos kills him at his own leisure. Look at Kratos’s movements, they really don’t look like they are moving super fast at all. Also it doesn’t have to be time magic. The simplest answer is most likely the right one. So a paralytic would be that. I’m not saying it is, but that is far simpler than time-stop.
Are you trying to tell me this fleece can redirect attacks that possess no earthly presence? From everything I have seen of it, it only blocks projectiles and cone magics. Even if the spell cannot be seen, by your words it was still a beam, ergo a projectile-like attack.
That simply means I have failed to explain the significance of it shattering Felo'melorn. I did a whole post on Frostmourne’s powers. If you need reminding of them it can be found of the previous page. I really cannot stress enough, this weapon is the most powerful weapon in the physical sense on Azeroth. It’s power is literally legendary in the Warcraft Universe.
Given how many other things completely fail on the Lich King, that’s actually consistent. Ergo the Olympus’s failing to hurt Kratos was the anomaly. Ashbringer was consist. There’s no point trying to take an antagonistic approach to this point. I understand your frustration, but let’s not get emotionally charged.
I’m not handwaving feats away, I am however challenging what is being described against how I interpret what has been shown to me. You ‘see’ somehow, a hypersonic reaction. I see Kratos actually thinking ‘…. Mmm, better get ready for more than just a bright light’. Without other showing, especially ones where he could have used such amazing reaction speeds to prevent other things. Thus even supposing you were actually right (I’m still not convinced but just to get my point across), it’s a massive inconsistency. There are just these things which could very easily be put down to the creators being lazy. Before you retort with the exact same thing against Arthas, most of his feats are actually written, and explained purposefully.
Also there are several references that seem to indicate you think Kratos can move and fight at hypersonic speeds… please tell me I misinterpret
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yeah, no. At his size, humans would not be capable of existing.EA has not specified what is and what is not present.
He first went to fight Zeus in his past. After returning to the Loom in the present, he went back to the far past, and sent a bunch of Titans and himself to Mt. Olympus. He does not have to physically be in the Chamber itself to manip time & space.Light = explosion.
~ Do be quiet. Mom and Dad are talking.
Why? with comparative muscles, organs, systems etc? he has no extra or special durability tbh, he is cut by things an enormous human would be in the same situation.
The light is not the explosion, the explosion happens after the light though, so your making things up.
No, but he has to be able to access to loom chamber to make any changes. Thats the whole point of him moving hte looms in the chamber, he changed the past/future etc by moving them, which is shown by him transporting from each area, there was no point after GoW 2 that he simply decided to teleport to the loom chamber and apprently change some things. not ot mension the butchered logic that would require him to be able to tap into a thread of destinty from entities not even in his universe or in greek myth.
Also, apart from trolling/baiting thats also a strange statement because "dad" is extremely ignorant of his source material in this case, it would be odd if the son knew more so you must be the pretty luddite father then in your scenario who does not play games like GoW?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Why? with comparative muscles, organs, systems etc? he has no extra or special durability tbh, he is cut by things an enormous human would be in the same situation.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SquareCubeLaw
Just to jump in for a moment. By physics, muscles, organs, and systems don't scale up the same way weight would. As the article states, if you double a human's size it's strength goes up by less than its mass, which puts more weight on them. Strength increases four times, but weight increases eight, and that's only for doubling height. Higher multipliers increase it exponentially. In order for it work, strength and durability would have to be multiplied by eight as well, just to keep up, but physics says this is impossible. At a titan's size, a human's skin and muscle wouldn't have gone up enough to counter his own weight and he'd end up crushing himself.
Note that I'm not saying titans are durable because of this, that's just how it would have to be if you want to apply physics. The simple truth is that scaled up humans can't work without supernatural assistance, so trying to determine a titan's abilities by scaling up a human also just won't work, because scaling up a human just won't work. Divine power is pretty much the only way for a titan to even be plausible.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I'll see if I can find the video. And when the Blade of Olympus has cut through a Titan's gut as if it were human flesh (which is far more impressive than anything I've seen from the Lich King's Frostmourne),
Frostmourne has already been stated to cut through plate as though it were flesh. Given all the other things listed I think it's pretty offensive you make such an absent-minded claim. The information on Frostmourne is posted, go and look.
A very weakened Arthas was able to kill a fully grown blue Dragon, Sapphiron. The Previous guardian of the Blue Dragon Shrine. He and follow dragons fell to Arthas.
That said it's almost moot. If you're seriously of the opinion a titans skin is more durable than a Runeblade, there's no future of this vs. I refuse to argue with someone who is being intentionally dense (no offense)
Originally posted by The Scenario
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SquareCubeLawJust to jump in for a moment. By physics, muscles, organs, and systems don't scale up the same way weight would. As the article states, if you double a human's size it's strength goes up by less than its mass, which puts more weight on them. Strength increases four times, but weight increases eight, and that's only for doubling height. Higher multipliers increase it exponentially. In order for it work, strength and durability would have to be multiplied by eight as well, just to keep up, but physics says this is impossible. At a titan's size, a human's skin and muscle wouldn't have gone up enough to counter his own weight and he'd end up crushing himself.
Note that I'm not saying titans are durable because of this, that's just how it would have to be if you want to apply physics. The simple truth is that scaled up humans can't work without supernatural assistance, so trying to determine a titan's abilities by scaling up a human also just won't work, because scaling up a human just won't work. Divine power is pretty much the only way for a titan to even be plausible.
The "divine" part does not work, infact I would say his durability seems to be not much more than a humans, his skin cuts just the same, hes just larger. His strength is high enough to hold his own weight and Pandoras temple though. Iirc his own weight would be, using just physics on human weight was around 30-40 million tons iirc but its been a while since we did those calculations, BR and I.
W/e allows him to hold his own weight, does not seem to allow him to be equelly durable or strong, since he cant do things a human would likely do. For one, tearing that thing out of his jaw with both hands shouldnt be impossible for him.
Originally posted by The Scenario
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SquareCubeLaw
Kinda funny how the first sentence of the article is "A scientific principle often ignored in media."
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Sorry I missed this part.Frostmourne has already been stated to cut through plate as though it were flesh. Given all the other things listed I think it's pretty offensive you make such an absent-minded claim. The information on Frostmourne is posted, go and look.
A very weakened Arthas was able to kill a fully grown blue Dragon, Sapphiron. The Previous guardian of the Blue Dragon Shrine. He and follow dragons fell to Arthas.
That said it's almost moot. If you're seriously of the opinion a titans skin is more durable than a Runeblade, there's no future of this vs. I refuse to argue with someone who is being intentionally dense (no offense)
Didn't Arthas(this was Arthas as a weakened Death Knight, not the Lich King) have Anub'arak and other undead cronies to help him in that fight?
Originally posted by EvilAngel
It’s already been stated it can only steal your soul from being killed by it, of from wielding it. It’s a moot point but a fun thought.
No u. estahuh
While I appreciate the thought, I’m not sure you can expect me to list the feats of the two characters, one who is an immortal Ranger-General and protected of the High Elves, whom to my own disappointment there are no books about her specifically, and I’m not in the habit of buying books with characters I like in who just pass by in it. Saurfangs best feat of the few I am aware of is actually in the Wrathgate cinematic. He cleaved through 3 chosen Vrykul in one swing.
I absolutely can, if you intend to use Arthas killing them/breaking their weapons as evidence.
"Cleaved through three chosen Vrykul" is a statement that means nothing to me without context. Kratos has cut through gods and other beings just as durable as him, as well as being which can withstand the attacks of Titans (Like the Leviathans, for instance). Kratos' feats are looking better.
I confess. I don’t clearly get the connection of that guy crashing into the titan to Kratos.
Um, what?
"Huh? I'm talking about the Leviathan that shoots out of the water to grab a a Titan, it traveled many times the Titan's height in less than a second. A Titan is hundreds of meters tall (CosmicComet says 500 on average, will ask him about that), that is very demonstratably supersonic. Actually, one could easily argue it as hypersonic."
I'm not talking about Poseidon flying down and dive-bombing a Titan (Though that's a pretty good speed feat as well), I am talking about the tendril that shoots up afterwards, the Leviathan. Kratos has reacted to charges from these creatures.
The video slows down, not the attack. It slows for what I am guessing is a ‘reaction command’ of sorts? But as the flow of time is not in sync how exactly can it be clearly worked out how fast he reacted.
Only we have seen the speed of a charging Leviathan. Poseidon would have to conciously slow the Leviathan down. Logic suggests that is obviously not the case, Poseidon attempting to kill Kratos.
More abc logic? Let me know if we are using this, if so the Lich King is the most powerful undead in Azeroth. That would give him almost an immeasurable number of feats. Personally I think it’s bullshit, but if it’s insisted in being slung then well… I’ve got trebuchet’s full of it.
Reasonable powerscaling can easily be used. Zeus is the strongest of the gods, and beyond that he is capable of, when another god is killed, granting any mortal he chooses the power of the original. Why would he not be capable of replicating the powers he can grant?
I see a giant of some kind being yanked off a cliff. I could point out something about that tricky little factor some claim to exist known as gravity. What relation it has to a rock giant of that size scientists are still working on. There’s also the grip factor at play. Ever had someone try to pull you off those climbing walls. Me neither but I cannot imagine it would take much. Also I’ve only even seen Kratos overpower a hand or some fingers. Oh and Zeus so, these statements sound a bit lavish compared to what I’ve seen so far.
To be perfectly blunt the hand of a Titan is stronger than anything Arthas has demonstrated, at least, that you have shown me. They can chuck boulders that are about the size of their torsos (So over a hundred meters) thousands of feet into the air.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3rgcBaI4v8&feature=player_embedded
This can be seen at about 7:25 in.
Something similar can be seen here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOzGvWPQjxs&feature=relmfu
At about 2:35 we see Hades pulling on his chain blades, before making a Titan tumble.
Hades has another strength feat here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_V5wXQW96Q
At about 0:10 in, we see Hades restraining a struggling Cronos. Now granted, he had leverage when he did this, but even being able to pull something as large as Cronos, let alone fighting against his strength (For reference, he has been, in the GoW setting, been carrying a big ass palace on his back for thousands of years, without tiring, so he's not just big, he's superhumanly powerful for his size as well) is a very good strength feat, better than what I have seen for Arthas.
Honestly I am starting to think Kratos is hyped. But I welcome that to be disproved, I never intended to set up a spite match.
I've provided more than enough feats to show that Kratos' capability in martial combat is greater, honestly. I have seen nothing from Arthas to say differently.
Aye, that’s true, there’s also that forum rule where non-game material are considered non-canon unless stated in the opening post otherwise, I certainly mentioned using other things for Arthas but....
I'm not sure I get what you are saying here.
So Arthas is allowed to have non-game information brought to the table, but Kratos is not?
For now take it that in my head, Kratos would not have seen reason to use the Olypmus blade yet. Humour me.
I honestly don't think he'd need it. The difference between them in melee is that large. Kratos is stronger by a signifigant deal, is faster, and more durable (Taking hits from Titans or other such beings who can match or overpower them).
The Fury of Frostmourne unleashes Frostmourne’s power all around him. I.E you die. It’s an extremely powerful shadow area spell.
Killing the PCs does not imply that it would one hit kill Kratos.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
- The Lich King could get close enough to use Frostmourne.
- The Lich King could react before his head is ten feet away from his body.
- The Lich King would even be able to see Kratos getting in close.
- The Lich King would survive Gorgon Magics, or get past being blinded by Light Manipulation.
- The Lich King would not be vaporized by Poseidon's Rage.
- The Lich King would not be immolated by the fire surrounding the Blades.
- The Lich King would be able to get past Kratos' Amulet of the Fates which slows Time.
- The Lich King would be able to negate Kratos's time manip with the Loom Chamber, with which he could just send the Lich King to the past, or future, or some other place even.
- Frostmourne is supposedly strong enough to even nick Kratos.
- Frostmourne is supposedly strong enough to shatter Chain Blades that can hurt a Titan (that particular instance wasn't entirely strength, as Kratos barely had any leverage and was on the finger of Cronos)
DP I am going to have to ask you a few things...
What feats has Poseidon's Rage shown?
When have the chain blades immolated anything?
When has Kratos been shown to manipulate time outside the Loom chamber (Going from the past back to the present doesn't actually count).
When has the Amulet of Fates slown time without one of those nifty statues present?
Originally posted by EvilAngel
‘At the moment’ is correct. Because it’s the same instant she goes kaboom. Also your screen shots 8 & 9 shows light coming from … his shield is that? Thus supporting my position that he was on guard from the moment she exploded, that he did not whip it out before the blast hit him.You are right, I withdraw that point. I based it off the assumption GoW universe had magics, spells. In most universes even the basic fireball does both of these things before it is fully ready.
I really don’t even get that video at all. It just looks like that mist/smoke is holding him still while Kratos kills him at his own leisure. Look at Kratos’s movements, they really don’t look like they are moving super fast at all. Also it doesn’t have to be time magic. The simplest answer is most likely the right one. So a paralytic would be that. I’m not saying it is, but that is far simpler than time-stop.
Are you trying to tell me this fleece can redirect attacks that possess no earthly presence? From everything I have seen of it, it only blocks projectiles and cone magics. Even if the spell cannot be seen, by your words it was still a beam, ergo a projectile-like attack.
That simply means I have failed to explain the significance of it shattering Felo'melorn. I did a whole post on Frostmourne’s powers. If you need reminding of them it can be found of the previous page. I really cannot stress enough, this weapon is the most powerful weapon in the physical sense on Azeroth. It’s power is literally legendary in the Warcraft Universe.
Given how many other things completely fail on the Lich King, that’s actually consistent. Ergo the Olympus’s failing to hurt Kratos was the anomaly. Ashbringer was consist. There’s no point trying to take an antagonistic approach to this point. I understand your frustration, but let’s not get emotionally charged.
I’m not handwaving feats away, I am however challenging what is being described against how I interpret what has been shown to me. You ‘see’ somehow, a hypersonic reaction. I see Kratos actually thinking ‘…. Mmm, better get ready for more than just a bright light’. Without other showing, especially ones where he could have used such amazing reaction speeds to prevent other things. Thus even supposing you were actually right (I’m still not convinced but just to get my point across), it’s a massive inconsistency. There are just these things which could very easily be put down to the creators being lazy. Before you retort with the exact same thing against Arthas, most of his feats are actually written, and explained purposefully.
Also there are several references that seem to indicate you think Kratos can move and fight at hypersonic speeds… please tell me I misinterpret
Good job ignoring screenshots 1-7 and the other screencap, in order to state that you are right.
Since you haven't really refuted what I said, I'll just copy paste my quote.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Err no, there is very audible boom at the moment that screenshot takes place. There is an audible boom before that screenshot takes place, and in fact, the boom starts here. I know this because I slowed the video down considerably, i.e. that light is the explosion. Looks like the one mistaken is you.
You apparently did not hear it (could be you, or the video), but it's pointless as Kratos only lifts his shield after the initial shockwave reached him; the shockwave that is emitted by any high/supersonic explosion or higher. The shockwave has barely passed before his shield is up.
Please re-read that section of my post. Here it is.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixNever said there was a time-stop in effect. I said the opposite. Neither Ares nor pre-GoW Kratos have demonstrated the ability to manipulate Time.
I understand you seeing it as smoke and wisp. It isn't. I suggest you carefully watch it over and over again. You'll see his arms rise by a small amount before he loses his head. Look at his right arm in particular.
Unless of course, you are saying Kratos was fast enough that the BK couldn't even move at all, since the BK wasn't 'time-stopped' like some of the others in that scene, as his body moved after his head was sliced off. 313
Again, here is that section of my post. Take from it what you will.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It has redirected immaterial beams that can stone Kratos or erect barriers that cannot be passed through, Zeus' Lightning Bolts, physical attacks from Zeus, energy attacks from a Sister of Fate, one of which was capable of damaging the same sword that killed Ares, and other stuff I cannot recall at this moment.
No, you've explained it. But like you, I too am "however challenging what is being described against how I interpret what has been shown to me." What has been shown to me is that it can cut through a certain type of armor, it can shatter a powerful elven blade that has no feats to speak of, it is dreadfully cold to the touch, and it can absorb the souls of those killed by it. Nothing really tells me it would shatter Kratos' main weapons and completely override Kratos' own strength. Only once have his Chain Blades been harmed, and that was because of his swim in the Styx.
And given how many weapons have failed to slow down Kratos, it was actually consistent.
I'm not emotionally invested in this thing. It's an internet debate. Will offer you the same advice though. You seem to be getting offended when I handwave your arguments much like you have other arguments.
Him not using that "amazing" reaction speed to prevent certain things could be attributed to a number of things, including but not limited to: PIS, shock, surprise, fatigue, stuff being fast enough to catch him off-guard, etc. People like the Flash and Superman get hit repeatedly, despite them having reaction-times that make Kratos' look piss poor in comparison.
Never said he can move at hypersonic speeds. Not even supersonic. Not unless he has slowed down time, in which case, he'll appear to be moving at those speeds.
As for fighting at hypersonic speeds, unless the upper echelon of his enemies (mostly gods) are peak-human in speed, which they aren't, common sense would tell me that Kratos would have to be fairly fast in order to repeatedly tag them.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Sorry I missed this part.Frostmourne has already been stated to cut through plate as though it were flesh. Given all the other things listed I think it's pretty offensive you make such an absent-minded claim. The information on Frostmourne is posted, go and look.
A very weakened Arthas was able to kill a fully grown blue Dragon, Sapphiron. The Previous guardian of the Blue Dragon Shrine. He and follow dragons fell to Arthas.
That said it's almost moot. If you're seriously of the opinion a titans skin is more durable than a Runeblade, there's no future of this vs. I refuse to argue with someone who is being intentionally dense (no offense)
None taken. I really don't see any point in arguing this with you either, and I stated as such earlier. You seem to be intent on being just as dense as I was when I made the claim.
Originally posted by NemeBro
DP I am going to have to ask you a few things...What feats has Poseidon's Rage shown?
When have the chain blades immolated anything?
When has Kratos been shown to manipulate time outside the Loom chamber (Going from the past back to the present doesn't actually count).
When has the Amulet of Fates slown time without one of those nifty statues present?
Left a 100 ft. crater around Kratos and vaporized everything in that range, in the novel. That range was its upper limit for GoW1 Kratos.
Meh, was being a dick in general with that entire thing. That said, the chains have burned right through his flesh, and the blades of his clones burned him as well. They've also boiled a large amount of water I think, but I may be mis-remembering that.
Err, why wouldn't it count again? He has done more than go back to the Loom Chamber/Present. He's used it to transport a bunch of Titans and himself to the timeline where he just fought Zeus, and I doubt he dragged a bunch of Titans through the Loom Chamber, unless you think otherwise. He needs to rewind a thread to go to a subject's past. Nothing about him needing to be in the chamber itself to transport stuff.
You see anything from EA stating that those nifty statues aren't present? She hasn't brought up any stips.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Why? with comparative muscles, organs, systems etc? he has no extra or special durability tbh, he is cut by things an enormous human would be in the same situation.The light is not the explosion, the explosion happens after the light though, so your making things up.
No, but he has to be able to access to loom chamber to make any changes. Thats the whole point of him moving hte looms in the chamber, he changed the past/future etc by moving them, which is shown by him transporting from each area, there was no point after GoW 2 that he simply decided to teleport to the loom chamber and apprently change some things. not ot mension the butchered logic that would require him to be able to tap into a thread of destinty from entities not even in his universe or in greek myth.
Also, apart from trolling/baiting thats also a strange statement because "dad" is extremely ignorant of his source material in this case, it would be odd if the son knew more so you must be the pretty luddite father then in your scenario who does not play games like GoW?
Yeah, no. At his size, humans would not be capable of existing.
Light = explosion.
He does not have to physically be in the Chamber itself to manip time & space.
Yeah, no. The son is the ignorant one here, whose knowledge is not comparable to that of the father's. Then again, the son is typically always ignorant. He has a very active imagination though. Everyone finds that amusing.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Didn't Arthas(this was Arthas as a weakened Death Knight, not the Lich King) have Anub'arak and other undead cronies to help him in that fight?
Unless you think ghouls would actually be a significant threat against a dragon like Sapphiron (I’m telling you that is not the case) it’s mostly a moot point. Anub’Arak is a decent assist. But he did precisely that. Assist.
Originally posted by NemeBro
No u. estahuhI absolutely can, if you intend to use Arthas killing them/breaking their weapons as evidence.
"Cleaved through three chosen Vrykul" is a statement that means nothing to me without context. Kratos has cut through gods and other beings just as durable as him, as well as being which can withstand the attacks of Titans (Like the Leviathans, for instance). Kratos' feats are looking better.
Um, what?
"Huh? I'm talking about the Leviathan that shoots out of the water to grab a a Titan, it traveled many times the Titan's height in less than a second. A Titan is hundreds of meters tall (CosmicComet says 500 on average, will ask him about that), that is very demonstratably supersonic. Actually, one could easily argue it as hypersonic."
I'm not talking about Poseidon flying down and dive-bombing a Titan (Though that's a pretty good speed feat as well), I am talking about the tendril that shoots up afterwards, the Leviathan. Kratos has reacted to charges from these creatures.
Only we have seen the speed of a charging Leviathan. Poseidon would have to conciously slow the Leviathan down. Logic suggests that is obviously not the case, Poseidon attempting to kill Kratos.
Reasonable powerscaling can easily be used. Zeus is the strongest of the gods, and beyond that he is capable of, when another god is killed, granting any mortal he chooses the power of the original. Why would he not be capable of replicating the powers he can grant?
To be perfectly blunt the hand of a Titan is stronger than anything Arthas has demonstrated, at least, that you have shown me. They can chuck boulders that are about the size of their torsos (So over a hundred meters) thousands of feet into the air.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3rgcBaI4v8&feature=player_embedded
This can be seen at about 7:25 in.
Something similar can be seen here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOzGvWPQjxs&feature=relmfu
At about 2:35 we see Hades pulling on his chain blades, before making a Titan tumble.
Hades has another strength feat here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_V5wXQW96Q
At about 0:10 in, we see Hades restraining a struggling Cronos. Now granted, he had leverage when he did this, but even being able to pull something as large as Cronos, let alone fighting against his strength (For reference, he has been, in the GoW setting, been carrying a big ass palace on his back for thousands of years, without tiring, so he's not just big, he's superhumanly powerful for his size as well) is a very good strength feat, better than what I have seen for Arthas.
I've provided more than enough feats to show that Kratos' capability in martial combat is greater, honestly. I have seen nothing from Arthas to say differently.
I'm not sure I get what you are saying here.
So Arthas is allowed to have non-game information brought to the table, but Kratos is not?
I honestly don't think he'd need it. The difference between them in melee is that large. Kratos is stronger by a signifigant deal, is faster, and more durable (Taking hits from Titans or other such beings who can match or overpower them).
Killing the PCs does not imply that it would one hit kill Kratos.
A long time ago it was you who told me a ‘god’ is a title, it holds no significance on it’s own. The difference is Kratos has been shown to hurt titans and gods alike. Though an interesting question from my perspective is what have they been shown to resist from damage of a similar nature? Not much I’m going to wager. Their size and impressive sounding race name is enough for people to assume so very much.
So then, what is a Vrykul? Well the short answer is; they are Vikings to the most extreme level, makes sense given the race was based upon the Einherjar.
Okay a longer answer; They are half giants whose sole occupation is war. In the Wrathgate Cinematic we see they are strong enough to literally tear humans apart, at one point one uses a living Human as a weapon to kill another in one strike. Through quests in the game we learn that they simple crush and break the weapons we were using before so there’s a whole part where we have to steal theirs to see what the heck the secret is. A head Lich-King minion had said they perfected war to an art level, whatever the heck that means, sounds good but *shrugs*. All in all when making these guys Chris Metzen said “The first time we started talking about these guys, there were probably six different things that defined them, right? They’re giant…dark…vampiric…barbarian…vikings…from hell, right? The list just kept going.”. So what is a Vrykul…. The answer though not entirely specific, for someone who likes Vikings; totally badass.
Oh right, so breaking through 3 of them, weapons, armour, flesh and all is actually quite the feat, given you take into account their weapons were breaking ours. The same weapons we slew dragons and all manner of giant monsters with.
Jesus dude, if you’re going to w*nk off these feats so hard let me get out of the way first. Reaction feats don’t measure the speed of the attack/other, but the time it took for it to be launched and reach the target. I can see how in these instances you believe things move are enormous speeds. But when we see Kratos react to them, clearly they were not moving at hypersonic, because we as the player also had time to react. In terms of a Tendril, can you not see how it can obviously move much faster when all of it is used as opposed to the itty bit when used against Kratos. What can you move faster your finger or your arm?
When has he been shown to? You have no idea how that works any more than I do. For all we know it exists like a pandora’s box. It has to be opened or whatever. Maybe his powers are ‘full’. I can’t disprove something, it ought to be on your shoulders to prove it. If you insist on giving him any power he can grant that gives Lich King another several dozen powers he has not been shown to use. In my opinion that’s ridiculous, but this isn’t a one way street.
Perhaps. The Lich King is lacking in feats that’s true. It is why I was pursuing the Frostmourne shattering the blades point. Unless I use magical logic that lets me assume Saurfang as similar strength to other orc leaders there’s not an awful lot I can use for Arthas’s strength feats. Short of playing through the whole of Northrend again. The only other one that comes to mind is swatting Darion Mograine away like a bug after he charges Arthas with Corrupted Ashbringer. He has feats like overpowerful Abominations as a human. Not much as a death knight though he was more powerful. That said he might have been the one who was able to break a paladins bubble. Which is the light acting as a shield. Breaking one is just… well funny.
Frankly so far I’ve yet to see any actual proof Kratos is a fast… frankly speaking, or as durable.
He used the Fury of Frostmourne before. It was able to negate the power of the light on his target. The Light is Omnipotent in the warcraft universe. If I took it out, there was a good reason behind doing so. Might help you also understand why I rate the weapon so highly.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I’m sorry, Ignoring screen shots 1-7 that take several moments to occur…. The fact that he clearly starts to move in screen shot 8 does prove that he didn’t not react to the explosion, and how could he. She’s pure light, he is just supposed to see through that? “Is that fire behind that blinding light?! Heck with this” *shields up*. Plus that little light coming from his arm seems to indicate he was protected from the blast even with it by his side =\ Why else is the light coming off it light that can you tell me?
Car lights don’t get brighter and brighter with a rising sound… well my car lights don’t. But in that situation, yes, I am confident a strong majority of characters would prepare for an inevitable boom.
I wasn’t talking about a time power. I pointed out if you are going to incinuate magic or other effects, start simple. Starting on time powers, is not the place to begin. Did you even read what I wrote? =\
Right that strange smoke that doesn’t appear anywhere else that is here now in the only time Kratos strikes when the other guy isn’t moving… that’s just a visual device. Prove it.
Cut clean through a certain type of armor. Plate being the thickest of which, are you under the impression it would have a harder time with something else? I did also already state Felo’Melorn was the most powerful weapon they possessed, Elven weapons have done most anything they can do in the Warcraft universe. Wounded a dragon, broken through armor… what is it you want me to say? The fact as I see it is, Frostmourne has feats of shattering other weapons of significant power. Does Kratos’s? Yes or No will do.
Like what? When has Kratos been shown to take hits from other weapons? I did also ask to see the attack he suffers from the Olympus blade. So would you kindly…
On the reverse if we humour me and say the claims of hypersonic reactions are wrong. They all fall neatly into consistency. Oh snap. I guess I have it easy. Arthas doesn’t have many feats, and none of them are inconsistent. We know in the warcraft universe he’s a monster.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I know we're all disappointed. I mean, I haven't seen a single feat from the Lich King that would tell us that:
(1) - The Lich King could get close enough to use Frostmourne.
(2) - The Lich King could react before his head is ten feet away from his body.
(3) - The Lich King would even be able to see Kratos getting in close.
(5) - The Lich King would survive Gorgon Magics, or get past being blinded by Light Manipulation.
(4) - The Lich King would not be vaporized by Poseidon's Rage.
(5) - The Lich King would not be immolated by the fire surrounding the Blades.
(6) - The Lich King would be able to get past Kratos' Amulet of the Fates which slows Time.
(6) - The Lich King would be able to negate Kratos's time manip with the Loom Chamber, with which he could just send the Lich King to the past, or future, or some other place even.
(7) - Frostmourne is supposedly strong enough to even nick Kratos.
(8) - Frostmourne is supposedly strong enough to shatter Chain Blades that can hurt a Titan (that particular instance wasn't entirely strength, as Kratos barely had any leverage and was on the finger of Cronos)
1) Death Grip, look it up, I already listed it as a power.
2) Arthas was able to strike faster than Sylvanas could ‘fathom’. Kratos’s Speed is speculative at best, nothing concrete
3) Ridiculous point, of course he could
4) The Ashbringer’s destructive feats are dozens or hundreds times greater than Poseidon’s rage. And again I repeat, that was in the hands of a lesser paladin who was not on holy ground.
5) Arthas has already displayed tremendous durability also from walking away from the cloud designed specifically to kill him. It liquefied others.
6) Neither did I state they were present. Perhaps they are fighting on the surface of the sun. I didn’t say they weren’t after all. If I didn’t specify, the answer is no. While powers and equipment that the character has I ought to specify against (Fury of Frostmourne disabled as for an example). Equally an environmental advantage must be specified. For instance what if the fight were to take place at the frozen throne. Would hardly be fair to Kratos. So do not try to give an environmental advantage that I did not specify. To my mind that is really just being petty.
7) Yes, of course, the most powerful physical weapon Azeroth has known can’t cut Kratos… There are beings that would physically destroy him with gesture, but this sword cannot cut him. The absurdity of that notion is simply amusing.
8) It was able to shatter a weapon with greater feats than that specific example. And It broke a weapon much superior to that. I did ask you to provide some sort of logical explaination as to why it would not. It’s a simple question, it wouldn’t take 3 sentences to do so. Yet you simply bring up irrelevances such as
[list]- “It cut titans flesh”
- “It didn’t break when it was used against things that sound tough”[/list]
