Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
His chi melts webbing?
Or cuts through it like a "spider web" 😛
I don't have the scan on hand, but I've seen Danny simply wave his chi amped hand and cut right through the webbing.
And he's always been able to casually break out of the stuff, even as far back as the 1970's.
Pete is stronger, perhaps slightly faster, more durable and has webs. He is not unskilled.
Danny hits harder, is much more skilled, and cuts through webbing like string. He has well above peak human durability.
In a lot of ways, Danny is hard matchup for Pete. His skill counters Pete's physical advantages and he can neither be blinded not bound in webs effectivly.
Assuming "hth" means Danny can't use his IF then fight one is Pete 7/10; fight two is Danny 6/10.
Originally posted by h1a8
You don't understand. He said that Danny can break them but that the webbing will rob him of his limited energy and slow him down where Spidey can do his maximum spider. 😄Spidey wins both easily due to being faster, having an unfair spider sense, being stronger, and having unfair webbing.
Note: Spidey also knows kung-fu, having even better spider sense, and much stronger webbing now.
If he tries a max spider attack, he'll probably get what happened when he tried that against Black Tarantula. Caught by the ankle and slammed.
Also, Max Iron Fist:
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Originally posted by cdtm
If he tries a max spider attack, he'll probably get what happened when he tried that against Black Tarantula. Caught by the ankle and slammed.Also, Max Iron Fist:
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Nice way to ignore my point. I'll restate. Fighting at bullet speed or greater, a few seconds is an eternity to Spidey. That means webbing will slow down IF for at least a couple of seconds and give Spidey an eternity to land tremendous combos on him.
Originally posted by h1a8
Nice way to ignore my point. I'll restate. Fighting at bullet speed or greater, a few seconds is an eternity to Spidey. That means webbing will slow down IF for at least a couple of seconds and give Spidey an eternity to land tremendous combos on him.
You have no point. Both Danny and Spidey fight at bullet speeds. I just proved Danny can even do a "max spider attack", done on Hulk in that scan. I and others have also proven Danny is as fast or faster than a bullet.
Danny is more than fast enough to destroy webbing, and counter any attack Spidey tries.
Originally posted by cdtm
You have no point. Both Danny and Spidey fight at bullet speeds. I just proved Danny can even do a "max spider attack", done on Hulk in that scan. I and others have also proven Danny is as fast or faster than a bullet.Danny is more than fast enough to destroy webbing, and counter any attack Spidey tries.
My statement implied both were fighting at bullet speeds and thus a few seconds is an eternity to Spidey. Who cares if Danny can do a maximum spider? It's irrelevant.
My point is that he will be stuck for a few seconds when Spidey webs him. Spidey will then take advantage and combo him to... 😄
Originally posted by SamZED
How is Tarantula rellevant here? Iirc he's twice as strong as Spider-man and many times more durable. And Spider-man was clearly shown to be much faster of the two, even blitzed him at some point. Tatantula's durability is what won him that fight.
Grabbing him out of mid air is a speed feat, and he was blocking his attacks mid blitz.
Danny wont tank Spider-man's punches like BT did.
Steel Serpent did.
Originally posted by h1a8
My statement implied both were fighting at bullet speeds and thus a few seconds is an eternity to Spidey. Who cares if Danny can do a maximum spider? It's irrelevant.My point is that he will be stuck for a few seconds when Spidey webs him. Spidey will then take advantage and combo him to... 😄
He's never been stuck by webbing before, when he's channeling the Iron Fist. He rips it apart instantly. He's destroyed it in mid air before it can even touch him.
However long it slows him down won't be nearly long enough for Spidey to gain a major advantage. At best, maybe he'll get a free hit out of it, and Danny can take a free hit or two from Spiderman.
Just like Spidey won't lose to one of Danny's undodgeable chi area attacks.
Originally posted by cdtmHe grabbed him after Spider-man landed few unanswered hits. Spider-man's speed advAntage was shown throughout the rest of the fight as well. Its BT's durability that was the problem.
Grabbing him out of mid air is a speed feat, and he was blocking his attacks mid blitz.
from a holding back and (lets be honest) jobbing Spider-man. I noticed you often speak of this fight as if its and end all be all example of how Spider-man fights and how his fight with IF should go. Its really not. Its a low showing for him in a book where the villain had to look good because he's the only bad guy of the story. There's no way Danny (or serpent for that matter) should tank an all out punch from Spider-man. Id go as far as say - not even from a holding back Spider-man when PIS is off.
Steel Serpent did.
cant believe this crap is still going on , i already proved that spider man is faster in fighting speed, spider man is greatly stronger than danny, more durable than danny, got spider sense , got webbing, the only advantages danny got over spider man doesnt matter because even if the iron fist is stronger than a punch from spider man its still irrelevant because a no holding back spider man will knock iron fist out, his second advantage is fighting skills which again will be countered by the fact spider man is faster and has spider sense to worn him, so as you can see danny doesnt have any advantage over spider man and he gets his ass kicked again and again and again and again , now close this shit
Originally posted by red sabre
so as you can see danny doesnt have any advantage
By your own admission, Danny hits harder and it more skilled. Those are advantages. Your claim that spidey will simply KO him so that it won't matter doesnt pass the test of intellectual rigor. And despite what you say, I don't think many people reading this thread would agree that you've proven that Spidey is much faster than Danny.
Honestly, it's a guy who's stronger and more durable vs a guy who hits harder and is more skilled. Both have a versatile weapon. Pretty much everyone can see that makes this a fair fight.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
By your own admission, Danny hits harder and it more skilled. Those are advantages. Your claim that spidey will simply KO him so that it won't matter doesnt pass the test of intellectual rigor. And despite what you say, I don't think many people reading this thread would agree that you've proven that Spidey is much faster than Danny.Honestly, it's a guy who's stronger and more durable vs a guy who hits harder and is more skilled. Both have a versatile weapon. Pretty much everyone can see that makes this a fair fight.
danny might hit harder but its not advantage because either of them can take the other one out, his skills are not an advantage because they are countered by greater speed and spider sense
never said spidy is and i quote you "much faster than danny" however he IS faster than donny and combined with his spider sense its a deadly combination to counter his skills
Originally posted by red sabre
danny might hit harder but its not advantage because either of them can take the other one out
Danny can one-shot Pete with either hand. Pete can't realistically one-shot Danny here. That's a significant advantage.
never said spidy is and i quote you "much faster than danny" however he IS faster than donny and combined with his spider sense its a deadly combination to counter his skills
Or one could just as easily say that Danny's skill counters Pete's slight speed advantage and SS. It's not an overwhelming "counter" either way, which is kinda my point. Fair fight--each with skills that challenge the other.
Also: I'm unimpressed by the usefulness of SS in 1-on-1 fights. It's great against groups, so he can react to attacks from any direction. But if he only has one opponent to focus on, the only way we can see it work is by observing his reflexes. But Danny's natural reflexes are already on the same tier, so there is no quantifiable advantage.