the version of hulk we're talking about here is quite a bit beyond just brick though. and like i said, umar is also an uber mage and seemed unable to do anything to stop him from basically destroying her world. in the past she handled him easily. strange should win. my point is there are reasons to think it wouldn't be easy or automatic without bfr.
Originally posted by leonidas
the version of hulk we're talking about here is quite a bit beyond just brick though. and like i said, umar is also an uber mage and seemed unable to do anything to stop him from basically destroying her world. in the past she handled him easily. strange should win. my point is there are reasons to think it wouldn't be easy or automatic without bfr.
its not automatic strange will work for it...but come on u cant honestly believe that at his best, with the limited history wbh has, that he will be any win
Like Leo said...this version or Hulk is MUCH more than just a brick. Strange would have to play his cards in the right order to win this. Hulk made it known that at his World Breaker level, magic doesn't worn on him.
If this version of Hulk lands a solid blow...the fight is done. If Strange relies on his shields...the fight is done ending with Hulk killing him. Strange is going to have to use all of his tools to win this fight and that includes going intangible, etc, etc...
Me knowing how tactical Strange is, he will pull the win.
Originally posted by carver9I think you're forgetting that Umar's BFR magic worked. And even depowered Strange's time stopping magic worked.
Like Leo said...this version or Hulk is MUCH more than just a brick. Strange would have to play his cards in the right order to win this. Hulk made it known that at his World Breaker level, magic doesn't worn on him.If this version of Hulk lands a solid blow...the fight is done. If Strange relies on his shields...the fight is done ending with Hulk killing him. Strange is going to have to use all of his tools to win this fight and that includes going intangible, etc, etc...
Me knowing how tactical Strange is, he will pull the win.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I think you're forgetting that Umar's BFR magic worked. And even depowered Strange's time stopping magic worked.
I'm talking about in a physical aspect. I agree, Strange has that ability to bfr but for some strange reason, that is a tactic that he fears using against Hulk and rarely uses it at all in battle situations.
If magic truly worked on Hulk, Umar would have used it a long time ago to prevent Hulk from causing anymore damage to her realm. She was basically helpless and Strange bfred himself just to get away from Hulks power.
Originally posted by carver9Umar was obviously unaffected by Hulk and Betty's conflagration. So I wouldn't paint her as being helpless at all. She already restrained and BFRed Worldbreaker Hulk before the climax of Heat of the Monster. It's more likely that she simply didn't want to destroy Hulk because she liked him.
I'm talking about in a physical aspect. I agree, Strange has that ability to bfr but for some strange reason, that is a tactic that he fears using against Hulk and rarely uses it at all in battle situations.If magic truly worked on Hulk, Umar would have used it a long time ago to prevent Hulk from causing anymore damage to her realm. She was basically helpless and Strange bfred himself just to get away from Hulks power.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Umar was obviously unaffected by Hulk and Betty's conflagration. So I wouldn't paint her as being helpless at all. She already restrained and BFRed Worldbreaker Hulk before the climax of Heat of the Monster. It's more likely that she simply didn't want to destroy Hulk because she liked him.
Around the end she seemed Fed up and Hulk was doing things in her realm that she was incapable of doing (pushing back the Mindless Ones). Like Ive stated before, not saying that her or Strange can't bfr Hulk but both seemed powerless to do anything preventing Hulks rampage.
Strange bfred himself and Umar had to trick Hulk into going inside of a portal created by the wishing well instead of stopping him under her own power.
Hulk seemed to feel real confident that magic wouldn't work on him at those levels.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Umar was obviously unaffected by Hulk and Betty's conflagration. So I wouldn't paint her as being helpless at all. She already restrained and BFRed Worldbreaker Hulk before the climax of Heat of the Monster. It's more likely that she simply didn't want to destroy Hulk because she liked him.
a possible interpretation, sure. she did seem eager to see him go though, didn't she? and to let him destroy her world repeatedly she must have really liked him.....
Originally posted by carver9Umar already proved powerful enough to handle one level of Worldbreaker Hulk. She has feats supporting that she could handle the highest level we saw. Magic is still an issue for Worldbreaker Hulk.
Around the end she seemed Fed up and Hulk was doing things in her realm that she was incapable of doing (pushing back the Mindless Ones). Like Ive stated before, not saying that her or Strange can't bfr Hulk but both seemed powerless to do anything preventing Hulks rampage.Strange bfred himself and Umar had to trick Hulk into going inside of a portal created by the wishing well instead of stopping him under her own power.
Hulk seemed to feel real confident that magic wouldn't work on him at those levels.
Umar simply convinced them to go somewhere else. It wasn't exactly trickery. Hulk being too caught up to realize he wasn't in the Dark Dimension anymore wasn't exactly a product of Umar desperately seeking an answer. This bears out further by Umar's attitude the entire time. Umar's attitude to the whole thing could be described as "slightly exasperated but still amused."
Magic was what ultimately resolved the entire situation, i.e., the final wish made by Betty. So clearly it is an issue.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Umar already proved powerful enough to handle one level of Worldbreaker Hulk. She has feats supporting that she could handle the highest level we saw. Magic is still an issue for Worldbreaker Hulk.Umar simply convinced them to go somewhere else. It wasn't exactly trickery. Hulk being too caught up to realize he wasn't in the Dark Dimension anymore wasn't exactly a product of Umar desperately seeking an answer. This bears out further by Umar's attitude the entire time. Umar's attitude to the whole thing could be described as "slightly exasperated but still amused."
Magic was what ultimately resolved the entire situation, i.e., the final wish made by Betty. So clearly it is an issue.
If you are referring to the instance where Hulk went WB on Earth after his fight against Armageddon...Hulk didn't appear to be struggling to get free from Umar and Hulk didn't attack her either. To me I took it as Banner "allowing" himself to get capture by Umar to allow everything that happened to take place as it did. He didn't attack her once...hell, they did the "do" (if you know what I mean) as soon as they teleported to the dark Dimension.
Thats not evidence imo.
Originally posted by NihilistLook all I'm saying is I can't imagine IF strange uses some giant dragon fire spell I seriously don't see it hurting hulk,if he tried to turn hulk to stone I don't see it happening,BFR Hulk I SEE IT HAPPENING
You have never read a single comic with "classic" Dr Strange in at all.
Originally posted by TheHulkI see strange blasting the hulk to his component atoms if it came down to it.
Look all I'm saying is I can't imagine IF strange uses some giant dragon fire spell I seriously don't see it hurting hulk,if he tried to turn hulk to stone I don't see it happening,BFR Hulk I SEE IT HAPPENING
