Hulk vs Thanos-The strongest there is

Originally posted by Stoic
Obviously Odin wasn't going all out because if he was and your words prove this, he would have flattened a universe. Thanos was incapable of taking much more than the destruction of Asgard. However Asgard wasn't destroyed, and just look at the way Thanos looked after the small amount of abuse doled out to him.

You see Thanos in not un-debatable as you often have said, he is simply un-debatable with you.

Thanos tanked a blast that oneshotted the Surfer. He was barely singed after taking him on in an extended fight and wading through a gungir blast. He's looked worse against opponents he beat than against Odin.

I argue based off of comics and am objective.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]Fixed.

At the point Thanos wet for the gun he wasnt getting overwhelmed, he had just took Thors shots then came back at Thor with his own shots punching Thor through the floor. When Thor came back at Thanos thats when he went for the gun realising the longer it went on the stronger Thor would get.

That doesn't really change that Odin wasn't going all out.

^ That Thanos was bleeding and PG Thor wasn't, clearly confirmed that PG Thor was amping himself beyond Thanos. Thanos was giving just about as good as he was taking, but the PG was just continually amping Thor. That's nothing to be ashamed about.

Odin was holding back. Don't kid yourself.

Originally posted by SamZED
Didnt Odin offer Thanos to yield? He could've kept blasting while Thanos was on his knees. imo that's a sign he was holding back at least a little.

Odin's clearly superior while holding back. He's on a completely different level when he's not.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]^ That Thanos was bleeding and PG Thor wasn't, clearly confirmed that PG Thor was amping himself beyond Thanos. Thanos was giving just about as good as he was taking, but the PG was just continually amping Thor. That's nothing to be ashamed about.

Odin was holding back. Don't kid yourself.

Under his own power reserve he pretty much much was, if you wanna list all the stuff Odin should have done that could apply to Thanos.

Originally posted by Nihilist
So he wasnt getting overwhelmed and the whole point of bringing up PG Thor was that he can tank hits from PG weilders, he just choose to fight smarter against Champion.

Based on what! so are you saying he wasnt trying to put Thanos down then.

Under his own power reserve he pretty much much was, if you wanna list all the stuff Odin should have done that could apply to Thanos.

I already posted several obvious facts that prove Odin wasn't going all-out. Read. And don't try to put words into my mouth. Odin not gong all-out isn't at all dispositive of Odin not trying to beat Thanos into submission without going all-out.

Don't be stupid. Look at Odin's fights against Galactus, Doom Galactus, latest Seth, the Enchanters, second Surtur, etc. Because I don't want you whining about drawing power from Asgard. Odin didn't absorb Asgard in these fights. And if you can't (or won't) distinguish the clearly different level of power Odin was operating on or contending with in those fights, there is no point to further discussing it with you. I'm not going to waste my time with witless and willful ignorance. And frankly, I don't expect that from you.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]Yeah, he started getting overwhelmed.

And I wasn't talking about Champion.

I already posted several obvious facts that prove Odin wasn't going all-out. Read. And don't try to put words into my mouth. Odin not gong all-out isn't at all dispositive of Odin not trying to beat Thanos into submission without going all-out.

Don't be stupid. Look at Odin's fights against Galactus, Doom Galactus, latest Seth, the Enchanters, second Surtur, etc. Because I don't want you whining about drawing power from Asgard. Odin didn't absorb Asgard in these fights. And if you can't (or won't) distinguish the clearly different level of power Odin was operating on or contending with in those fights, there is no point to further discussing it with you. I'm not going to waste my time with witless and willful ignorance. And frankly, I don't expect that from you.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thats were i disagree, as he was still hanging with Thor, and i dont see Thanos nose trickling with blood as getting overwhelmed.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thats kinda my whole point though as poster always say Odin wasnt going all out as if he wasnt trying to put Thanos down at all, plus they try and use it as some kind of indicator of how other heralds would fare against Thanos as if they come anything close to to the type of power Odin was still using.

Like i said in my earlier post there are other powers Thanos didnt use, that doesnt mean he wasnt going anything like approaching full capacity in terms of energy output, and im not trying to be stupid at all, Odin was still using a good amount of power in his blasts as he was starting to destroy Asgard.

What powers would have even made a difference? Thanos' nearly non-existent and vastly inferior matter manipulation? Odin stomped Thanos without going all-out. That's all there is to it. I don't see any finer points to be made or any further reason to mince facts because that conclusion won't change.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]That's a very narrow view of what I stated. Not only was Thanos bleeding and PG Thor not, Thanos' shields were completely busted and PG Thor kept getting stronger. So yea, Thanos was beginning to get overwhelmed. If he kept fighting, he would have lost. And that notion shouldn't offend you as it was displayed and reinforced the more Thanos spoke of not being able to contain PG Thor later on with the Infinity Watch.

As far as I see it, as long as you're not in the camp that deludes themselves into thinking Odin was going all-out, then I don't see ny point in further discussing it.

What powers would have even made a difference? Thanos' nearly non-existent and vastly inferior matter manipulation?

Odin stomped Thanos without going all-out. That's all there is to it. I don't see any finer points to be made or any further reason to mince facts because that won't change.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I could care less about your personal feelings I come here to debate not to achieve popularity.

In ih he stated I will kill you. Thor lost himself to bloodlust as well. They fought for about an hour and when the nuke was about to hit Hulk snapped out of it and acted to save him. Hulk was still trying to kill him prior to in the bloodlust as was Thor.

Because it's rage induced he needed an event to trigger his rage. If you are a fan of the Hulk I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

He can hit those levels after they took place at the end of ww hulk not prior to since he didn't knew about Miek's treachery beforehand. Are you being dense on purpose ?

Yes, he did but can't just create rage he needed an event of this magnitude to achieve this power level.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Planet Hulk and WWH emphasized the point of him being the World Breaker, it was referenced multiple times long before the end of WWH. The threat of becoming that powerful was always there hence why he learnt to control his rage prior to reaching Earth. As shown in HOTM, Banner can reach these levels at will.

That comment doesn't take into account his new unkillable upgrade. You continually want to dismiss past Hulk showings but won't give Thanos the same benefit. That's bias. It's ugly.

Mar-vell casually dismissed two top tiers in Nova and the Surfer. He oneshotted the Magus to death. Done.

Thanos overpowering the Hulk and the Thing. Thanos decking Tyrant to the ground.

That outweighs space cheese and collateral damage any day of the week.

Concession Accepted 👆

Originally posted by Nihilist
IF the fight would of gone on longer he would of got overwhelmed/lost going on how the fight was going, but seeing as it didnt up untill that point he was holding his own imo.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Fair enough, its just the fact other poster try to pass off the notion Odin wasnt tryin.

Thanos mental powers or his more powerful EP he has shown on panel.

Again i wouldnty say stomped, beat down is more apt. Imo a stomp would be not being able to stand or put up any kind of resistance at all.

Thanos' mental prowess would have been irrelevant. Odin contended with PG Thor's madness far better than Thanos did with MG Moondragon's and SG Adam Warlock's assistance in that very storyline. And Odin's telepathy is obviously far more formidable based on their respective performances against Galactus. Thanos was using energy projection and Odin pretty much no-sold it.

Fine. Odin beat down Thanos without going all-out.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
It's impossible to debate with someone who blatantly lies and can't bear to see their favourite character bettered so will use any type of tactic to avoid conceding.

Or he wasn't truly bloodlusted. Even going with this Thor was 10x his normal strength and Hulk matched him.[/B]

Hulk stated he'd kill him same as Thor. You want to ignore the comic because you're wrong. I seem to know more about the Hulk than you do apparently.

His eyes were green with energy immediately after the Sentry fight before any event happened. You can't "burn out" if you still have power.
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I forget resurrecting means you suddenly take an astronomical leap in power levels.. smh
It's dismissed because the way Thanos treated a far weaker Hulk and Thing has no bearing whatsoever on what would happen if the two met today.
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Great, so he has done something Superman, Hulk, Thor, Doomsday, Black Adam, Red Hulk etc have all done? The only reason you try bump up his status is because it benefits Thanos.

Overpowering Prof Hulk and Thing? Using Tyrant's own power against him that ultimately did nothing? 😂 Amazing feats!..

Concession Accepted 👆 [/B]

I debate based on what the comic presents good, bad, or indifferent.

Thanos decked him with his own fist. That's a strength feat of pretty high magnitude.

I won the debate.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Thanos' mental prowess would have been irrelevant. Odin contended with PG Thor's madness far better than Thanos did with MG Moondragon's and SG Adam Warlock's assistance in that very storyline. And Odin's telepathy is obviously far more formidable based on their respective performances against Galactus. Thanos was using energy projection and Odin pretty much no-sold it.

Fine. Odin beat down Thanos without going all-out.

Thanos only used 1 blast irrc, he once never used any omni directional blasts which have proven on panel to be far more destructive/devastating or the type of blast he hit Galactus or Omega with.

^ Thanos was completely overwhelmed when they all dove into his mind and they had to escape. It's exactly why they went to Odin. And when Odin dove into his mind, Odin was not overwhelmed and could have completely destroyed Thor's mind if he wanted to. Galactus had already allowed Thanos psionic concert with him and comparing that performance with Odin's is laughable... especially considering that Moondragon assisted Thanos. Odin fought with his telepathy straight-up, without assistance and without Galactus providing him a convenient opening. Thanos was also expelled lest he risk destruction mentally while Odin relented after having not gained ground.

Reread it. Thanos didn't do anything but anger Galactus with his energy projection. And it proved similarly ineffectual against Omega as well. What feats beyond those you have would likely be as irrelevant. Thanos with Sufer's and PG Drax's assistance barely budged an Odin who was holding back. For the most part, Odin no-sold him. These are unextraordinary statements of fact.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Thanos was completely overwhelmed when they all dove into his mind and they had to escape. It's exactly why they went to Odin. And when Odin dove into his mind, Odin was not overwhelmed and could have completely destroyed Thor's mind if he wanted to. Galactus had already allowed Thanos psionic concert with him and comparing that performance with Odin's is laughable... especially considering that Moondragon assisted Thanos. Odin fought with his telepathy straight-up, without assistance and without Galactus providing him a convenient opening.

Reread it. Thanos didn't do anything but anger Galactus with his energy projection. And it proved similarly ineffectual against Omega as well. What feats beyond those you have would likely be as irrelevant. Thanos with Sufer's and PG Drax's assistance barely budged an Odin who was holding back. For the most part, Odin no-sold him. These are unextraordinary statements of fact.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Thanos was completely overwhelmed when they all dove into his mind and they had to escape. It's exactly why they went to Odin. And when Odin dove into his mind, Odin was not overwhelmed and could have completely destroyed Thor's mind if he wanted to. Galactus had already allowed Thanos psionic concert with him and comparing that performance with Odin's is laughable... especially considering that Moondragon assisted Thanos. Odin fought with his telepathy straight-up, without assistance and without Galactus providing him a convenient opening. Thanos was also expelled lest he risk destruction mentally while Odin relented after having not gained ground.

Reread it. Thanos didn't do anything but anger Galactus with his energy projection. And it proved similarly ineffectual against Omega as well. What feats beyond those you have would likely be as irrelevant. Thanos with Sufer's and PG Drax's assistance barely budged an Odin who was holding back. For the most part, Odin no-sold him. These are unextraordinary statements of fact.

I think that while Thanos has grown more powerful since he last tangled with Hulk, Hulk's increase in pure physical strength has increased exponentially. In anything resembling a physical brawl, it's incredibly hard to see Thanos beating Green Scar/WWH in strictly melee, to say nothing of World Breaker. Of course, Thanos' retarded durability is a great asset here, more so than his own physical strength, but I always fell that Thanos' durability/damage soak was more impressive than his offensive output (not to say that its weak).

All powers included, I'd give Thanos the edge over any Hulk, though.

First, how can you claim Odin did better than Thanos against Galactus in the TP battle. Thanos almost overwhelmed Galactus.. Odin never came close to doing so. Moondragon only helped get thanos to the plane to talk to Galactus. Something that Thanos could and has done on his own. BTW... Thanos hit galactus and sent him flying hundreds of feet... Exhausted Galactus JUST breaking through Thanos shields... Odin had a long tp battle with Galactus that did nothing and then one shot himself. I'm not sure how you call that doing clearly better.

How can you claim V&V despero is stronger than Superman or Marvel like you claim... When Despero currently isn't at that level.. and superman and marvel have better feats since then. How can you claim he is stronger than them? I will ask you another question... Who is stronger THanos or Thor?

Also Bi-Beast and Wendigo... also had lost their amp so nice try.. did you forget that all important bite hulk made them do among other things. There is a clear gap in strength between Thanos and prof. hulk WITH help. A significant one to be sure. Yes, Hulk is stronger now.. maybe he's stronger now. My point is, and always has been.. Hulk would need to make up a signifcant strength difference that once existed in order for him to be stronger. Has he, maybe, but the only strength battle they have had... Thanos treated him like a weak feeb and that is all I have ever stated and a fact.

^ Thanos was nearlydestroyed with Moondragon's assistance in a mental plane that they set up which Galactus permitted them. Don't be dense. If you think Thanos' sucker-shot + his mewling and begging to be spared after a single handblast was a better performance than Odin's, I'm not discussing this anymore with you.

Shut up. V&V Despero easily handled current Superman and Captain Marvel. We're not talking about the weaker crappier current versions of Despero, who gets bitten by sharks. Thanos is stronger than Thor. And nice job deflecting from you completely gnawing off the stinking a$$ of your own rationale. Oh wait. We remember you arguing that we should ignore V&V Despero's handling of current Superman and current Captain Marvel in favor of Superman and Captain Marvel's stand alone strength feats.

Which is completely opposite of your trolling insistence that we stress Thanos' handling of Professor Hulk and Thing while ignoring Professor Hulk's standalone feats, much less current Hulk's standalone feats. NICE PHUCKING HYPOCRISY.

You done trolling? Hulk's exponential increase of strength places him far beyond anything Professor Hulk could muster and accordingly, appeals to Professor Hulk are nothing but unmitigated trolling. Current Hulk is far beyond Professor Hulk, moreso than current Superman is beyond early Byrne Superman. We all know that constantly harping about early Byrne Superman is nothing but b1tch trolling. Referring to Professor Hulkis super-b1tch trolling. Don't try to justify it in anyway. At the very least, you've stopped repeating it. Go one stop further and drop this phailtastic trainwreck argument of your's that backfired utterly. Save some of your dignity for pity's sake.

Originally posted by Nihilist
All MD was create the mental plane of existance they met on thats all.

Originally posted by Nihilist
The issue with Thor mind wasnt just down to pure mental power, Odins aid was needed due to the asgardian connection/Thors madness and the fact Thor is his son.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Fact remains he never hit Odin with the same type of blast he hit either of Those with, saying that type of blasts or omni blast wouldnt have had any effect at all is just Carver style lowballin due to the fact Odin had to gaurd himself from Thanos only weaker blast.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Setting up the field where Thanos could mentally communicate with Galactus?

And Moondragon herself states that Galactus was ready for them. Not just Thanos.

This is an irrelevant statement of fact. And it does nothing to change that Thanos with the rest of the Infinity Watch helping him was mentally overwhelmed and risked destruction when he dove into Thor's mind. Odin was not. That's all there is to it.

Reread the fight. Odin completely no-sold Thanos' initial blast. He just about budged Odin with a follow-up blasting attack. I'm done entertaining your arbitrary notions of what Thanos did or didn't do. He tried to fight Odin and got beat down while Odin was holding back. We agree on that.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Yeah so Thanos could use his own menatl power to take on Galactus

Originally posted by Nihilist
Dont see what youre getting at.

So this one feat is a deceding factor then in what would be a mental battle?

All youre doing is dodging the fact Thanos didnt use his more powerful blasts which would have had a better/more of a effect on Odin, just as you implied the notion that if Odin had used his other powers he would have made the encounter far easier in his favour.

It's one glaring piece of evidence that shows that Thanos' telepathy is far inferior to Odin's.

Nothing changes that Thanos got beat down by an Odin who was holding back. And that conclusion is what we agree on. Your red herrings change nothing.