Superman vs Thor: EXTREME RAGE EDITION

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I do see it happening. Light, lasers and bullets don't even leave blurs. They're faster. So are speedsters. So are superspeedsters. Thor's dealt with them all throughout his career. Superman's not special in that regard just because he's Superman.

I'm not arguing that Superman won't be using his full combat superspeed -- that combat superspeed which is based on his on-panel feats that likely matches, possibly surpasses light speed. I'm just arguing that Thor will be using his full superspeed reflexes -- those superspeed reflexes which is also based on his on-panel feats that has matched, and countered light speed attacks.

I'll understand if you think that's unfair.

Countering a light speed attack from 30ft away is not the same as countering one from 5ft and that is not the same as countering multiple ones, even from behind you, from 5ft away. I showed a scan where I guy countered a light speed attack from less than 10ft away (closer than Thor has ever countered a light speed attack) yet wasn't fast enough to react to Superman's blitz. So again, reacting to a light speed attack from 30ft away doesn't mean you can do the same from 5ft away.

Lastly, if one can move 6ft before another can move 1in then what is Thor going to do if Superman is already 5ft from him? Move 5/6th of an in?

Originally posted by h1a8
I showed a scan where I guy countered a light speed attack from less than 10ft away (closer than Thor has ever countered a light speed attack) yet wasn't fast enough to react to Superman's blitz.

Originally posted by h1a8
I can hit a 90mph baseball from 60ft away but I can't hit one from 10ft away.

Originally posted by h1a8
Countering a light speed attack from 30ft away is not the same as countering one from 5ft and that is not the same as countering multiple ones, even from behind you, from 5ft away. I showed a scan where I guy countered a light speed attack from less than 10ft away (closer than Thor has ever countered a light speed attack) yet wasn't fast enough to react to Superman's blitz. So again, reacting to a light speed attack from 30ft away doesn't mean you can do the same from 5ft away.

Originally posted by h1a8
Lastly, if one can move 6ft before another can move 1in then what is Thor going to do if Superman is already 5ft from him? Move 5/6th of an in?

Make an argument, son.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Who the phuck cares what you can or can't do? Complete non-statement and irrelevent. Standard starting distance per forum rules is always .5 km away. You would be presupposing your conclusion and doing a p1ss poor job at covering up how blatantly you're doing it.

Make an argument, son.

Now you are trolling. I made valid arguments and you troll them.

Again, defending against attacks from 30 ft away doesn't prove you can do so from 5ft away.

Superman isn't a dumb bullet. He will close the .5km gap in an instant coming within 5ft of Thor and attack according. He isn't just going to bullrush Thor as straight as a bullet.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not that i care about this farcical thread, but that scan you like is still to this day misrepresented by you

Originally posted by Starscream M
HV is actually a common tactic of superman when he's pissed...but I see your point about superman wanting to rip thor apart with his hands

Originally posted by h1a8
Now you are trolling. I made valid arguments and you troll them.

Again, defending against attacks from 30 ft away doesn't prove you can do so from 5ft away.

Superman isn't a dumb bullet. He will close the .5km gap in an instant coming within 5ft of Thor and attack according. He isn't just going to bullrush Thor as straight as a bullet.

Superman has feats which demonstrate combat superspeed nearing or just surpassing light speed. Thor has feats which demonstrate superspeed reflexes reacting to or outright countering light speed attacks.

Unless you're just completely dismissing one character's feats, nothing of what you say changes that. You put up their best feats against each other and take them at pure face value without being a retarded slut, you'd recognize that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. You're being a troll. You ignore feats, you ignore forum rules.

Superman has feats which demonstrate combat superspeed nearing or just surpassing light speed. Thor has feats which demonstrate superspeed reflexes reacting to or outright countering light speed attacks.

Unless you're just completely dismissing one character's feats, nothing of what you say changes that. You put up their best feats against each other and take them at pure face value without being a retarded slut, you'd recognize that.

But I'll correct you here

Superman has feats which demonstrate combat superspeed nearing or just surpassing light speed. Thor has feats which demonstrate superspeed reflexes reacting to or outright countering light speed attacks from 30ft away or more.

Originally posted by h1a8
I never ignored forum rules. Prove that I ignored them. Also I addressed the feats and even accepted some of them. And don't say No when it is a yes that you just trolled. Otherwise, you would be lying and you wouldn't like that now would you?

Originally posted by h1a8
But I'll correct you here

Superman has feats which demonstrate combat superspeed nearing or just surpassing light speed. Thor has feats which demonstrate superspeed reflexes reacting to or outright countering light speed attacks [b]from 30ft away or more. [/B]

Asking you to read the comics is pointless. Somehow, it would insult the comics.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You keep talking about Thor not being able to block a light speed attack from 5 ft away. They don't start from 5 ft away. So shut up about it because you're ignoring the forum rule that by default, they start .5 km away.

Thor was not 30 ft or more away from Gladiator when he dodged his heat vision and, in the very next panel, twirled Mjolnir to deflect a followup barrage of his heat vision. Seriously, so shut up about it because you're ignoring Thor's feats.

Asking you to read the comics is pointless. Somehow, it would insult the comics.

Originally posted by h1a8
What? You haven't understood a word I said did you? I know the battle start at .5km and that's why I referenced the distance when I said, "Superman isn't a dumb bullet. He will close the .5km gap in an instant coming within 5ft of Thor and attack according. He isn't just going to bullrush Thor as straight as a bullet."

Ok 20ft then, my mistake. 😕

Your entire existence is a mistake. And psycho gundam is 100% god damn right:

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not that i care about this farcical thread, but that scan you like is still to this day misrepresented by you

Guys, stop bashing.

h1a8, this "combo to ko" thing has honestly got to stop. it doesn't follow the spirit of the forum, and is an arbitrary, unrealistic theory applied to fights that are never going to go that way.

A bullrush is a common tactic used by Superman (even when calm), and is most likely his first avenue of attack given how ragey he is in this fight, imo.

^ Give me the ability to ignore posters again. I don't understand why it won't work. Turn it back on for the love of god.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Quicksilver amped on Isotope E? Because in Bloodties, which you referenced, Exodus wtfpwned Quicksilver with a tp blast when Quicksilver was trying to speed around:

My mistake, it was an amped quicksilver. Here magneto deflects Karma's psionic blast back at her.

Go ahead and tell me that magneto also posseses FTL reactions or that Rachel's TP bolt was somehow faster than Karma's psionic attack.

I wasted all my "..." on h1a8. You just get exasperated smilies. 😬

I am not h1a8, so your exasperated smilies are wasted. Go find something useul for Thor other than digging trenches or proving that Ganthet is more powerful than spectre.

Stop acting like vibrating intangible is a wtfpwnerz Flash/Zoom+ speed feat. Speed of the noob Young Avengers can go intangible and make people/objects intangible through things:

What's that supposed to prove, that in a different universe with another speedster can become intangible? This is not a who-can-become-intangible contest. I don't know about marvel speedsters but in DC only people above lightspeed can achieve intangibility through speed. Not even Jay garrick has achieved intangibility IIRC.Who said superman needs to be flash/zoom+ to beat thor in speed, superman only needs to be mongoose level to beat Thor in speed. 😛

Mjolnir's far exceeded traveling light years in minutes. And neither of those even approach Flash's upper levels of speed at all. You really think Flash can't travel light years' worth of distance in minutes? And matching the specific frequency of an interdimensional object doesn't exactly depend on the upper limits of Flash/Zoom superspeed. It was more about precisely imitating that dimension's frequency. Like Superman singing Darkseid out of existence with specific counterfrequencies wasn't exactly superspeeding his tonsil's vibrations but more precisely attuning the sounds he created to that counterfrequency.

How's that relevant in estimating Thor's reflexes, surfer's board can travel at thousands of times FTL but he can't fight at those speeds? Sure they can, but to this day they haven't. Otherwise show me a scan of them travelling lightyears and not calculations how Wally rescued blah, blah, blah.

... phucking christ. There are Zoom and Professor Zoom fanboys here who will rip you to pieces over this stupidity. Don't say I didn't warn you.

That's my problem ODG, I posted that to one of the biggest Flash and Zoom supporter on KMC Galan007 and he made no objects. It's you who should be worried about Philosophia.😎

Barry and Wally were approaching (and were just surpassing) light speed in that scene of Final Crisis you're referring to. Barry specifically states how fast they were going:

That's not Barry's top speed at all. You've fit a helluva lot o phail in your post, dude. And nearly all of it concerns simple facts in the comics... not even arguable opinions/interpretations. Christ.

You just forgot to add this scan where Wally exclaims that Black racer was gaining on them and Barry replies that they must not let him catch them yet.

Writers doesn't write taking battle boards in mind and remembering
black flash aka black racer (as explicitly stated by wally on panel) caught up Wally in his ultimate speed feat, they were going at their top speed in THAT comic whether it is their highest speed feat or not.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/blackflash15.jpg

Flash doesn't have unlimited speed unlike some posters here believe otherwise a flash mainlined to speed-force shouldn't have to worry about stealing speed to catch someone.

facepalm

This is not superman vs flash. You and any other Thor fan didn't provide any scan to prove thor has lightspeed reflexes other than an ambiguous scan of Thor reacting to an unquantifiable speed of tp bolt and you expect us to forget all the other instances of Thor struggling to very low level of superspeed. Show me any scan of thor dealing with a speedster who can do this to another lightspeed speedster

Untill then a huge facepalm at your attempts of forcing Thor having lightspeed reflexes down our throats without any proof.

Originally posted by abhilegend
My mistake, it was an amped quicksilver. Here magneto deflects Karma's psionic blast back at her.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoDeflectPsionic.jpg

Go ahead and tell me that magneto also posseses FTL reactions or that Rachel's TP bolt was somehow faster than Karma's psionic attack.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I am not h1a8, so your exasperated smilies are wasted. Go find something useul for Thor other than digging trenches or proving that Ganthet is more powerful than spectre.

What's that supposed to prove, that in a different universe with another speedster can become intangible? This is not a who-can-become-intangible contest. I don't know about marvel speedsters but in DC only people above lightspeed can achieve intangibility through speed. Not even Jay garrick has achieved intangibility IIRC.Who said superman needs to be flash/zoom+ to beat thor in speed, superman only needs to be mongoose level to beat Thor in speed. 😛

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's that relevant in estimating Thor's reflexes, surfer's board can travel at thousands of times FTL but he can't fight at those speeds? Sure they can, but to this day they haven't. Otherwise show me a scan of them travelling lightyears and not calculations how Wally rescued blah, blah, blah.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's my problem ODG, I posted that to one of the biggest Flash and Zoom supporter on KMC Galan007 and he made no objects. It's you who should be worried about Philosophia.😎

Originally posted by Galan007
No way.

Even when Wally was drastically amped, he was still nothing compared to Zoom. Supes is fast, but he is nowhere near the speed-level of an amped Wally -- let alone Zoom.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You just forgot to add this scan where Wally exclaims that Black racer was gaining on them and Barry replies that they must not let him catch them yet.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/FC07-012.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is not superman vs flash. You and any other Thor fan didn't provide any scan to prove thor has lightspeed reflexes other than an ambiguous scan of Thor reacting to an unquantifiable speed of tp bolt and you expect us to forget all the other instances of Thor struggling to very low level of superspeed. Show me any scan of thor dealing with a speedster who can do this to another lightspeed speedster

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/ccf0716201100000.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/ccf0716201100002.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/ccf0716201100003.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Untill then a huge facepalm at your attempts of forcing Thor having lightspeed reflexes down our throats without any proof.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Give me the ability to ignore posters again. I don't understand why it won't work. Turn it back on for the love of god.

It should be working. 😖

I'll ask the mods.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Show me where Karma's psionic blast is fired before Magneto is even in a position to deflect it back.

How does it matter? If thor has FTL reactions by deflecting rachel's tp bolt, then magneto must also have it because he even gave a speech about it while deflecting.

You asked me to show you a speedster who could become intangible, nimrod. Sorry if it chafes your rectum. Good job with the lowballing. You haven't completely revealed how trollish you are.

And? This is not speed vs superman. Thor isn't Speed so you're point is just a deflection from the real question, how fast are thor's reflexes. Show me someone other than flashes becoming intangible before Energy shots were fired like you are touting for thor.

]WTH are you talking about? Are you disputing that Flash and Zoom can't travel lightyears in minutes? If you seriously think Galan007 thinks Superman rivals Zoom's superspeed, you're being an idiot:

I never said that they can't travel lightyears in minutes, but they haven't done yet. Superman and Thor haven't destroyed any planets like gladiator that doesn't mean they can't. I don't care who thinks what, he has done it on-panel and people can angst about it as much as they want.

That occurs before the scan I posted. Are you dyslexic? Approaching (and just surpassing) light speed is not Barry's top speed. That's how fast they were going in Final Crisis. You were wrong that Superman saw Barry running at his top speed. Completely and utterly wrong. Get over it. It's not my foot stuck n your mouth, it's your own.

And? I said they were going at their TOP speed in THAT comic as morrison wrote them. Barry also said that at lightspeed time stops and it became an everlasting moment. I never said that it was their highest feat ever. What feat does thor have to compete against it.

Superman being tasked by someone who moves at the speed of lightning, which Thor has been equated to for obvious reasons is not the best scan for you to bring up. Phucking irony. Thor embarassed Hermes, twice. I get it. You're The Great Galen, aren't you? Same "zomg Mongoose, trollololol" schtick.

The difference is that livewire ACTUALLY showed lightspeed as opposed to thor's hyperbole.

Superboy said that superman can sneeze and crack the planet in half, batman said superman can crack the planet in half without trying. All of them are true, aren't they? The same hermes who was ridiculed by Monica of being slow and Captain cold has punked flash many times. Even The Turtle has punked wally, what's that supposed to prove? Who's great galen? If you think I'm a sock you can ask for a mod to check. You obviously forgot the smilie.

While you are at it find something for Thor like this

And something like this

^ Great, spam. You posted those scans already. Posting them repeatedly isn't changing that almost everything you tried to assert in your initial post was wrong, e.g., Quicksilver vs. Exodus, disbelief that other speedsters can vibrate intangible, Flash/Zoom can't travel lightyears in minutes, Superman rivaling Zoom in superspeed, Galan007 agreeing with that silly notion, Superman seeing Barry at his top speeds, etc.

Your repetitious scans are unextraordinary and have nothing to do with what you were trying to force earlier. Stop moving the goalposts because you're butthurt that you were literally wrong on almost everything you argued about. You inserted your own foot into your mouth. Don't resent me for your own folly.

And stop pretending like you don't know how to use thumbnails or links. So annoying.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If you think I'm a sock you can ask for a mod to check. You obviously forgot the smilie.