Dear oh dear Mr Master
The only reason you would need to reiterate your argument is if it was correct in the 1st place. It wasnt. I have clearly shown this.
Jean states she amputated the future and as she does the reality fades from view and she materializes beyond reality, the Phoenix Force confirms on multiple occasions on panel that Jean amputated the timeline and the Handbook confirms she did.
You not being satisfied with how this feat was artistically depicted is of no consequence with those points in mind.
Furthermore Sublime is NOT referred to as the future, it is questioned whether he represents the future i.e whats destined for reality to face and the Phoenix Force rejects that notion rendering your point a dud 🙂
This post below highlights how Jeans disinfection of reality was through the extraction of Sublime as visually depicted and as confirmed by the handbook.
It highlights how the amputation of the future was a separate process from the disinfection and describes how the scene is using surgical imagery to explain why the future was amputated and to present Jean as a cosmic surgeon and realities as her patients.
It also highlights the Forces multiple confirmations of Jeans feat, even explicitly stating that Jean cut away the future and that she must heal reality by growing a replacement. Jean proceeds to alter the past, therefore ensuring the continuation of 616 without the threat of a Here Comes Tomorrow outcome. Therefore conclusively proving that what Jean cut away was actual timeline 🙂
This post therefore annihilates all you have presented on this point and has yet to be countered.
Which is why i will present it again:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Mr Master would you like to explain to us how the extraction of Sublime = the amputation of the future? 😕Definition of extract- http://www.thefreedictionary.com/extract
"To draw or pull out"
Exactly like what Jean does here with Sublime-
She draws the bacteria from his body.
Definition of disinfect- http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/disinfectant
"To free from infection"
So by drawing Sublime from Beast, Jean disinfected reality as confirmed by the handbook-
Definition of amputate- http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/amputate
"To cut off a part of the body, especially by surgery"
To extract is [B]not
the same process as to amputate under no circumstance.Sometimes a bacterial infection can be so severe that disinfection is not enough and an amputation of the infected site is necessary-
http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2009/mar/23/teens_legs_amputated_after_bacterial_infection-ar-11881/
As we saw on panel and as confirmed by the handbook, Jean extracted Sublime and it is this action that disinfected reality.
Jean states that the infection was so out of control that she had to go as far as amputating the whole future
At the bottom of the page the Phoenix Consciousness confirms that Jean cut away the future ushering her to grow a better one.
The Phoenix within the M'kraan crystal again confirms that it was Jeann who cut away the future timeline and it encourages her to cut her emotional ties with reality by pushing Scott not to turn his back on Emma, thus preventing the event that triggered Here
Comes Tomorrow."If you want it to grow a new future to replace the one you just cut away"
Clear as day Jean states she amputated the future, on multiple occasions the Force confirms Jean cut away the future and she is ushered to replace the future she cut away. She then alters the past preventing the events of Here Comes Tomorrow from occurring within 616, thus giving it a better future. Thus proving that what she cut away was timeline.
Further to the point the Official Handbook confirms that Jean severed the future timeline from the multiverse-
"In one future Phoenix severed the alternate future of reality 15104 from the rest of the multiverse"
Multiple on panel statements clearly marking Jeans feat as well as a handbook entry making the point.
It doesnt get much clearer than that. [/B]
Originally posted by OneDumbG0No answer. Just perpetual bluster and impotent banter to cover up the glaring deficiency in your theory-crafting: one of the greatest telekinetic feats supposedly performed by Phoenix on an entire timeline... and there isn't even a panel showing it. Hilarity. Inanity. Pity.
Resolve this and perhaps I'll entertain your other red herrings. And I'm serious about this: post the panel where Jean supposedly uses her telekinetic powers to separate an entire universe from the 616 Multiverse. Seriously. I don't think this is an unfair request.Post the panel where Jean supposedly uses her telekinetic powers to separate an entire universe from the 616 Multiverse.
When you do this, I will be happy to continue our discussion. In all honesty, I believe you are far more intelligent and reliable than most posters here. So I expect a reasonable response and look forward to a constructive debate.
Of course, your theory-crafting is painfully evident considering that it almost wholly relies on you interpreting the spoken word, "future," as literally as possible, i.e., timeline. This word, however, is stated by Jean twice in back-to-back sentences. And you've already completely conceded that Jean is using that term metaphorically in the first instance to refer to Sublime. But somehow you insist that the same exact word in just the next sentence -- when she is still holding Sublime -- must be taken literally. How self-serving. How hypocritical. How hollow. But we know why you do this. It's because...
...
... well because you don't even have anything else on-panel actually capturing the feat visually. No visual depiction of the feat in the comic. A spoken statement that is, at best, dubious in recounting the feat since it rightfully describes Sublime. Pretty much all handbooks, save the one or two you've cobbled up, never mentioning the feat.
Jean telekinetically severed the future timeline from the Marvel Multiverse? In your imagination, maybe. Time to wake up.
Originally posted by GalacticStormCounter the points i have made. Do not overlook them and instead re-post your that this post tears apart.
That is a typical Mr Master reaction to being left stumped.
Your posts are a joke, am done burying your delusional interpretation.
So, you can continue to exalt yourself and lick your own nuts,
but, we're all just 😂 our asses off watching you do what you do.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThat aside,
am I supposed to re-shove the same argument down everyone's throat?You're like a child kicking sand in the box to get attention
cause the the other kids won't play with you.That aside,
Show us where (on panel)
Jean amputates/severs the future of reality 15104if not when she extracted Sublime and shifted into the WHR.
** Which is all obvious symbolism since Sublime
can't be the embodiment of a future reality,
and it is Sublime that is referred to as "The Future"After seven pages of PREP,
Jean is finally able to extract Subime's atoms:
Phoenix mentions what she just did,
the Phoenix Force consciousness confirms what she just did: disinfection,
which we know was the extraction of Sublime.Jean says "amputate the future."
Next panel, Jean stares at Sublime's atoms and refers to Sublime as the "future." http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/Sublime01a.jpg
That green glob is Sublime.
Jean isn't being literal about Sublime's atoms being a future timeline.
She's being symbolic, i.e., Sublime is the cause of this future.So you must concede, Jean isn't being literal here when she says "the future."
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No answer. Just perpetual bluster and impotent banter to cover up the glaring deficiency in your theory-crafting: one of the greatest telekinetic feats supposedly performed by Phoenix on an entire timeline... and there isn't even a panel showing it. Hilarity. Inanity. Pity.Of course, your theory-crafting is painfully evident considering that it almost wholly relies on you interpreting the spoken word, "future," as literally as possible, i.e., timeline. This word, however, is stated by Jean twice in back-to-back sentences. [b]And you've already completely conceded that Jean is using that term metaphorically in the first instance to refer to Sublime.
But somehow you insist that the same exact word in just the next sentence -- when she is still holding Sublime -- must be taken literally. How self-serving. How hypocritical. How hollow. But we know why you do this. It's because......
... well because you don't even have anything else on-panel actually capturing the feat visually. No visual depiction of the feat in the comic. A spoken statement that is, at best, dubious in recounting the feat since it rightfully describes Sublime. Pretty much all handbooks, save the one or two you've cobbled up, never mentioning the feat.
Jean telekinetically severed the future timeline from the Marvel Multiverse? In your imagination, maybe. Time to wake up. [/B]
Is this really what its come down to ODG?
I over estimated you because this is some disappointing shit
Why you continually keep referring to the telekinetic nature of this feat i do not know.
Initially because of the storys focus on the Forces ability to bestow a wielder with "telekinetic godhood" when Jean claims she amputated the timeline i assumed she used telekinesis quite understandably. However at the very beginning of this discussion i quite humbly and honestly admitted that the feat wasnt necessarily a telekinetic one as that power isnt referred to within Jeans description of the feat, what i did say however was that given the Forces canon ability to generate any power or energy in any degree, the point is redundant. The fact that you cling to an old assumption of mine long cast away merely serves to highlight that this is the end of the road for you and what feeble points you did have have been decimated 🙂
Jean states she amputated the future and as she makes that point the future timeline disappears from view. So given Jeans statement and its multiple confirmations at later points and within an Official Handbook, that fading away of HCT whilst this other dimension fades in CAN be interpreted as a visual reflection of Jeans statement. Theres no doubt about that. It CAN
You not feeling satisfied with the artistic representation of the feat as previously mentioned is of no consequence. Boo hoo.
The feat is stated to have happened
A visual reflection CAN be interpreted whether you like it or not
the feat makes sense within the context of the story and the surgical themes the final scenes are saturated with
On the same page and on subsequent pages the feat is acknowledged, Jean being the one responsible is verified as is the nature of her feat. She conclusively on panel is confirmed to have cut away actual timeline as i have quite competently shown 🙂
The feat is verified explicitly within a handbook.
In response to all of this is your dissatisfaction with how the feat was visually represented. Tough shit take it up with Marvel
You say Jeans reference to future means Sublime in a metaphorical sense. Both when she says she amputated the future and secondly when she asks the Force if Sublime is the future.
Starting with the 2nd instance this notion that Sublime represents the future in a metaphorical sense is rubbished by the Force. It says NO Acknowledge and accept that, because it shits on your whole perspective. Its implications are that in the 1st instance Jean also wasnt referring to Sublime as a metaphorical future.
Furthermore Jean is told that she must grow a better future to replace the one she cut away and multiple occasions, the last time immediately before being ushered to alter events in order to avert a Here Comes Tomorrow outcome within 616 which conclusively shows you that what Jean cut away, what she was being ushered to replace was actual and not metaphorical timeline.
😄
Originally posted by Mr Master
durlaughYour posts are a joke, am done burying your delusional interpretation.
So, you can continue to exalt yourself and lick your own nuts,
but, we're all just 😂 our asses off watching you do what you do.
You got smoked kid, therefore i will afford you nothing more than a sentence and a smiley 😮💨
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And you've already completely conceded that Jean is using that term metaphorically in the first instance to refer to Sublime.
I overlooked this sentence in making my initial response. But felt it deserved a response itself because it is absolute buuuuullllllshit
Either you have misinterpreted me or you are plain lying but NOT ONCE did i concede that in the 1st instance (the one where Jean states she amputated the future) that it was a metaphorical future represented by Sublime.
NEVER 🙄
What i did say initially was that in the 2nd instance where she holds Sublime and references future, that in that instance it would seem Sublime is being referred to as a metaphorical future i.e a problem reality is destined to face, however upon further inspection of the scene many weeks back i noticed that Jean wasnt making a statement of fact, she was asking the Phoenix Force a question and the response from the Force was a resounding "NO" 😂 which rubbishes all claims that the references to future were a metaphorical future represented by Sublime.
Furthermore as i made clear in my splendid post just before this, the Forces statements pertaining to Jean needing to replace the future she cut away and then urging her to alter the past to trigger a different timeline to the one she cut away tells you so very conclusively that what Jean cut away was actual timeline. On panel your interpretation of the meaning of "future" is rejected whilst mine is put into context and supported. I love it 😄
You will deal. 😆
Originally posted by Sundipped
Onslaught gets no respect. No mention of him or any of his feats since page 4. 😂Anyway back to ODG/Mr.M vs. GS. Carry on.
I know right 😆
These punks trying to tag team me and shit
When will they realize i am NOT THE ONE
Been smokin these kids since last year and it looks like thats a trend that will continue right through 2012 😮💨
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I know right 😆These punks trying to tag team me and shit
When will they realize i am [B]NOT THE ONE
Been smokin these kids since last year and it looks like thats a trend that will continue right through 2012 😮💨 [/B]
Good debate to say the least. Now I know you'll say you don't need any help but having your ole buddy ID in here would make this a intresting 2 on 2. (Just to take the pressure off of 1 person having to counter multiple posts & points). I'm sure ODG & Mr.M won't mind. Matter of fact, they may welcome the challenge. 👿
Originally posted by Sundipped
Good debate to say the least. Now I know you'll say you don't need any help but having your ole buddy ID in here would make this a intresting 2 on 2. (Just to take the pressure off of 1 person having to counter multiple posts & points). I'm sure ODG & Mr.M won't mind. Matter of fact, they may welcome the challenge. 👿
You guessed right. Im doing just fine as it is. With ID up in this mutha there would be a massacre 😆
ODG's posts have tellingly gotten smaller and smaller as the thread progresses and hes now clinging for dear life to a couple of irrelevant points which have long been accounted for. Hes very intelligent but full of pride, he wont admit when hes clearly wrong.
Mr Masters posts were nonsensical from the start and unable to counter my points hes resorted to calling them deluded and then re-posting his countered post over and over. Thats a well documented Mr Master "strategy". Nothing new there. Im used to manhandling that chump. Hes not stupid, he just has an agenda and would rather make himself look stupid than admit his fantasy hierarchy hes been selling you guys is buuuuullshit
Do you know how smug i will be if they reveal the life force entity behind Wandas powers to be the Phoenix Force 😄 Watch how all Mr Masters previous talk of Wanda having omniversal reaching power and being top tier in Marvel comes to an abrupt end and he demotes her 😂
I'll disappear for a few months as i do, i'll get back to real life and in my absence as per usual he'll spam all Phoenix related threads with his nonsense and try and convince people the life force of creation is weaker than Galactus 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStormDoom has held the power of Galactus AND Beyonder. He outright stated the power of the Life Force was FAR greater than those.
and try and convince people the life force of creation is weaker than Galactus 😬
Point being: considering Doom is, for all intents and purposes, a 'chief authority' on said powers, it'd be exceedingly difficult (nigh-impossible) to go against his explicit statement, and argue that the Life Force is sub-Galactus-level.
...As I'm sure you know. 😛
Originally posted by Galan007
Doom has held the power of Galactus AND Beyonder. He outright stated the power of the Life Force was FAR greater than those.Point being: considering Doom is, for all intents and purposes, a 'chief authority' on said powers, it'd be exceedingly difficult (nigh-impossible) to go against his explicit statement, and argue that the Life Force is sub-Galactus-level.
...As I'm sure you know. 😛
Indeed ✅ 👆
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Do you know how smug i will be if they reveal the life force entity behind Wandas powers to be the Phoenix Force 😄 Watch how all Mr Masters previous talk of Wanda having omniversal reaching power and being top tier in Marvel comes to an abrupt end and he demotes her 😂
If this is revealed, this would be a major feat for the entity itself. This would definitely restructure the hierarchy.
Originally posted by Galan007
Doom has held the power of Galactus AND Beyonder. He outright stated the power of the Life Force was FAR greater than those.Point being: considering Doom is, for all intents and purposes, a 'chief authority' on said powers, it'd be exceedingly difficult (nigh-impossible) to go against his explicit statement, and argue that the Life Force is sub-Galactus-level.
...As I'm sure you know. 😛
Rachel (questionable if she ever had total control over the force) no selling cosmic vision then 1 - shotting (yes it was a one shot) a hungry Galactus was all the proof I needed.
Of course Doom's comments concerning power should be highly accredible.
