Originally posted by Sundipped
If this is revealed, this would be a major feat for the entity itself. This would definitely restructure the hierarchy.
Especially given the fact that the Force is the energies of creation and its shattered state at the time. It would mean that fuelling Wandas rampage was just one of many things the Phoenix power was being devoted to simultaneously 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStormYou're seriously telling me that the first panel of Jean carrying Sublime away to the White Hot Room...
Jean states she amputated the future and as she makes that point the future timeline disappears from view. So given Jeans statement and its multiple confirmations at later points and within an Official Handbook, that fading away of HCT whilst this other dimension fades in [B]CAN be interpreted as a visual reflection of Jeans statement. Theres no doubt about that.[/B]
... is supposed to depict Jean severing the Here Comes Tomorrow reality away from the Multiverse?
Unbelievable. Literally. First, Jean simply looks like she is transporting to the White Hot Room. That's where she is going after all. In fact, Jean's been spending several pages dealing with Sublime and carrying Sublime and pondering Sublime... and somehow you expect me to believe she just happened to perform a monumental universe-manipulation feat in one panel in-between all of that? Ridiculous. In the next panel, she's still staring at Sublime's atoms! Still talking about "future" in clear reference to Sublime:
Second, your literal interpretation of her statement remains self-serving. She's ascribed the term "future" to Sublime. You clearly have conceded this issue (and if you're trying to backtrack, don't). You've not convinced me that in back-to-back sentences, where she is holding Sublime and staring at Sublime... that when she says "future" twice, she means "future" in a literal sense... then in a figurative sense. Third, your reliance on a handbook entry is countered by several handbook entries I've posted.
It's pretty clear what's happening here. Some handbook writer got confused with Jean's flowery prose and you seized on that gaffe for all it was worth.
It's not worth much consideration. There is little merit to your arguments. Here Comes Tomorrow was resolved by Jean's banishment of Sublime and by pushing Scott to find love again to create a new future via butterfly effect. Such resolutions happen all the time with alternate dystopic future storylines, i.e., #1 future badguy is defeated, #2 past events/characters manipulated to restore normal course. There is no reason that a timeline has to be severed from a Multiverse to achieve #1. There is no reason Jean has to summon a universe into her hands to achieve #2.
You've lost perspective on this.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm...
Where you guys at? boxingcrutch
Oh 😮
💃 😆
Don't troll. Seriously.
^^^ 👆 ... To both posts.
I simply stopped and realized the intransigent fanaticism isn't ending ever.
Anyway,
the Bio that supports the correct view
comes from the actual "Here Comes Tomorrow" handbook reference ..
.. while the mis-interpreted (or mis-use of word/phrase) attachment
is located in the Mkraan Crystal handbook bio.
Go figure. 🙂
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
When was this
In Excalibur #61
Looked like the blast went right in Big Gs' eye.
The blast wrecked him. He was pretty shook up afterwards.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/excalibur061p20rs8.jpg/
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're seriously telling me that the first panel of Jean carrying Sublime away to the White Hot Room...... is supposed to depict Jean severing the Here Comes Tomorrow reality away from the Multiverse?
Errrr NO 🙂
Thats not what i said AT ALL
What i said was Jean stated she amputated the future, (a reference that was later put into context on panel on multiple occasions and by the handbook to mean the future timeline ) and that after her statement Here Comes Tomorrow fades away from view.
That artistic depiction whether you like it or not CAN be interpreted as reflecting her statement. Whether you feel the artistic depiction is clear enough for your taste is of no consequence to me. My interpretation is verified on panel by the Phoenix Force, by Quentin Quire and by the Official Handbook. Once again, learn to deal 🙂
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Unbelievable. Literally. First, Jean simply looks like she is transporting to the White Hot Room. That's where she is going after all. In fact, Jean's been spending several pages dealing with Sublime and carrying Sublime and pondering Sublime... and somehow you expect me to believe she just happened to perform a monumental universe-manipulation feat in one panel in-between all of that? Ridiculous. In the next panel, she's still staring at Sublime's atoms! Still talking about "future" in clear reference to Sublime:
Dealt with above. I care little for whether the artistic depiction is clear enough for you, Jeans statement is made, the reality fades out of view and then on a number of occasions Jeans reference to the future is put into context on panel where its explicitly stated that what she cut away was the future of the universe and she is directed explicitly to alter events to replace the future she cut away. With those very clear and explicit statements on panel any confusion or issues you had with the earlier artistic depiction should have been resolved. However it is quite clear that the major issue you have to resolve is your pride. Again that is something i will not cater for.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Second, your literal interpretation of her statement remains self-serving. She's ascribed the term "future" to Sublime. You clearly have conceded this issue (and if you're trying to backtrack, don't). You've not convinced me that in back-to-back sentences, where she is holding Sublime and staring at Sublime... that when she says "future" twice, she means "future" in a literal sense... then in a figurative sense. Third, your reliance on a handbook entry is countered by several handbook entries I've posted.
Jean has not ascribed the term future to Sublime. YOU have done that. Jean questions whether Sublime is the future and her question is met with a resounding "NO by the Phoenix Force which quite conclusively rubbishes your interpretation.
The Force then refers to Jeans reference to amputating the future and says that she must replace the future she cut away. Jean amputated the future. She extracted Sublime from Beast and Sublime was clearly stated NOT to be the future that is in question.
On a later occasion Jean is told by Quentin Quire that to heal the universe she must alter the past to replace the future she cut away. This conclusively tells you that what Jean cut away was timeline 🙂
Given that Sublime was explicitly stated NOT to be the future, Sublime was extracted from Beast NOT amputated and Sublime is a bacterial colony, how would it make sense that the future Jean amputated, the future Jean replaced with actual timeline as directed, was Sublime? 🙄
If the Force had not rejected the notion that Sublime is a metaphorical future, if the Force had not confirmed that Jean literally cut off the HCT timeline by acknowledging her statement and then directing her to replace the timeline by altering the past thereby growing a new timeline then your argument could be credibly argued. Commiserations that is NOT the case.
And you started off so well ODG. But on this issue at least, the outcome was a foregone conclusion. Enjoy your day 😱
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^^ 👆 ... To both posts.I simply stopped and realized the intransigent fanaticism isn't ending ever.
Anyway,
the Bio that supports the correct view
comes from the actual "Here Comes Tomorrow" handbook reference .... while the mis-interpreted (or mis-use of word/phrase) attachment
is located in the Mkraan Crystal handbook bio.Go figure. 🙂
You continue to be irrelevant, ODG can not help your agenda. 🙂
