GalacticStorm
Smart Alec Know-It-All
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's very clear why I corrected you three times over. Because you keep assuming that that handbook entry also squares with your handbook entry concerning the severing of the future. It doesn't. All it says concerning the future timeline, was that it was disinfected via Sublime's extraction. Simple. Nothing about a severing of a future timeline. NOTHING. You love your handbooks. Yes, it actually does. We know that the disinfection = extraction of Sublime. We agree on this. You've already conceded that long ago. To make that point even clearer, "Actually what's happening here is a [b]coordinated disinfection". *boom* Jean sucks Sublime right out of Beast:How do we know that the disinfection = amputation of future though? Because when Jean talks about Sublime, and states she had to "amputate the future," the Phoenix consciousness confirms her feat and refers to it directly as "Phoen/////ix disinf///ection suc///cessf///ul." This is simple progression of statements. Phoenix mentions what she just did, Phoenix consciousness confirms what she just did: disinfection, which we all agree was the extraction of Sublime.
You can wriggle all you want and pound your fists about how Jean says "amputate the future." But the very next panel, Jean once again uses her enigmatic purple prose and directly stares at Sublime's atoms and refers to Sublime as "future." http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/Sublime01a.jpg
That green glob is Sublime. We agree on this. You've already conceded that long ago. You've already conceded that Jean isn't being literal about Sublime's atoms being a future timeline. That's just retarded. She's being metaphorical, i.e., Sublime dominated the dystopic future. So you've already conceded that Jean isn't being literal when she mentions the word, "future."
Yet, here we are. Jean says "future" twice in sentences back-to-back. In one, you concede she isn't being literal, just metaphorical. In the other, you insist that she must be literal. We have a phrase for that:
SELF-SERVING HYPOCRISY. Why do you keep mentioning this? Jean stomped the crap out of that Phoenix powered Sublime on-panel and took him away. Why would he still be running around? You've ceased making sense. That's evidence you're doing it wrong btw.
Your blatant hypocrisy offends rationality. [/B]
Vacation over. Im back in 2012, relaxed, refreshed, tanned and sexier than ever. Now its back to business 😮💨
The 1st handbook entry on the matter published back in 2005 states that Jean extracted Sublime from Beast thereby disinfecting the future reality.
Thats true. Very true.
However as Jean stated on panel, the infection was so deep she had to go as far as amputating the reality from the timeline.
The 1st handbook entry doesnt dispute or contradict that, it just refers to the part of what was said on panel that it feels was important for that entry.
On panel Jean removes Sublime from Beast, says she had to go as far as amputating the future during her mission because of the severity of the infection and in response the Phoenix Consciousness says "Disinfection Successful"
Your error is in then using that response to equate this future Jean had to amputate as Sublime, which is nonsensical because to extract by definition and action is not the same as to amputate.
To disinfect by definition is to free from infection. Jean disinfected reality as verified on panel by extracting Sublime from Beast. That is what the handbook entry verifies because that is exactly how she disinfected reality. The amputation of the future was something separate, a further step she had to take beyond merely removing Sublime out of the picture which was her objective (hence “disinfection successful”)
Going along with the surgery theme that this scene is saturated with, bacterial infection can trigger gangrene and other unfavorable conditions. If a body part has been ravaged by infection, even following that infection being cleansed from the area, the damage wrecked can be so deeply set that the part cannot be saved necessitating its amputation from the main body to prevent any negative effects to the healthy unaffected tissue.
So to summarize Jean successfully disinfected reality by removing the bacterial infection Sublime from reality, thereby achieving her mission objective as verified by the Phoenix Force and as stated by the handbook. However following her successful disinfection of reality through the extraction of Sublime, Jean also took the step of amputating the ravaged reality 15104 because as she stated the infection at the hands of Sublime had been so severe.
With that in mind it is supposition on your part to equate this future Jean said she amputated from reality to Sublime when:
an amputation is to cut off an extremity from a main body
it is visually depicted Jean extracted Sublime from Beast
the Handbook verifies that Jean disinfected reality by extracting Sublime thereby telling you this amputation of the future Jean mentions is something separate.
Going along with Jeans comments about the infection being so severe that she had to amputate the future it appears Jean was following standard surgical procedure, following her depicted disinfection of reality via the extraction of Sublime, she discovered the reality left behind was so ravaged that an amputation was in order, something she stated she did and something the most recent handbook entry on the issue verifies she did:
This point rubbishes your interpretation that Jean was referring to Sublime as a metaphorical future.
Another point which also does this is when Jean holds Sublime and asks if this is the future in a metaphorical sense, the Consciousness rejects that notion and instead classifies Sublime as the current state of affairs that Jean brought about by not fulfilling her role as a Phoenix:
So as it stands, Jeans mission objective was to disinfect reality. To disinfect is to free from infection. Jean is visually depicted as extracting Sublime from Beast, Jean beyond reality states that the infection was so severe she had to go as far as amputating the future from reality, something besides the point Jean as we saw extracted the infection from reality and the Phoenix tells her the disinfection was successful.
Its really as simple as that. 😄
