Originally posted by Insane Titan
simple blasting punching blasting and mind phuckery. Or a astral attack.
Okay thanks for that. I will now present why I believe the Void is capable of winning.
Void has more of a resistance to blunt force attacks. As you know in Siege he was hit by in Thor's own words all the power at his command and it did nothing to Void whatsoever. Whereas although Thanos showed no huge visible amount of damage he was staggered by it.
The point about simple blasting and punching isn't very good (not because it's silly) but it requires the Void to stand there and do nothing while Thanos goes to hit him. We know Void wont let that happen. He is easily capable of encasing Thanos in tendrils, which if they don't affect him due to the same sort of reason that Nate Grey saw that Ares was divine on all levels then it will at least be able to stop him.
The Void has completely rendered helpless the Classic Avengers, On 2 occasions he has shattered Hulks bones completely. I don't recall many characters in recent history weakening Hulk that much except form probably Zeus busting his lungs and ribs (I think it was).
If Thanos manages to damage the Void, the Void has the capability to heal back from an atom as shown in Uncanny Avengers when he was battling the Sentry for control of his body.
Void has also been shown many times outside of Siege to be a team wrecker. In New Avengers #9 and 10 he showed he can do this.
Ultimately while Thanos is incredibly strong. He sin't capable of killing someone who is as much as if not more of a teambuster than he is. As good durability. And he is most definitely faster.
Using his mind wouldn't be an insta win for him. Void isn't exactly a slouch in that department, Sentry when being cured can resist people like Strange, can control what people like Absorbing Man can see into his mind. The Void has also used it on Hulk + tendrils in which he made Hulk witness all of his worst thoughts in one go. Thanos doesn't have that battle won in my opinion.
An astral attack would actually require time for Thanos to initiate one. And the Void wont sit around waiting.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
If Thanos manages to damage the Void, the Void has the capability to heal back from an atom as shown in Uncanny Avengers when he was battling the Sentry for control of his body.Void has also been shown many times outside of Siege to be a team wrecker. In New Avengers #9 and 10 he showed he can do this.
Ultimately while Thanos is incredibly strong. He sin't capable of killing someone who is as much as if not more of a teambuster than he is. As good durability. And he is most definitely faster.
Nobody Void has faced is on Thanos's paygrade though. Tanking some hits by Thor doesn't mean he'll be able to tank Thanos's blasts, Void's tendrils didn't deal more damage than Thor's hammer hits, so the comparision with Thor's shots are moot.
Thanos doesn't have many showings trashing teams, but he has much better showings than Void.
Some of the points you brought have no weight in the debate.
Originally posted by One_Angry_ScotThanos was hit from far greater heights than Void was by Thor , plus Thanos a amped Thor's hits (PG) better than Void did(norn stones)
Okay thanks for that. I will now present why I believe the Void is capable of winning.Void has more of a resistance to blunt force attacks. As you know in Siege he was hit by in Thor's own words all the power at his command and it did nothing to Void whatsoever. Whereas although Thanos showed no huge visible amount of damage he was staggered by it.
The point about simple blasting and punching isn't very good (not because it's silly) but it requires the Void to stand there and do nothing while Thanos goes to hit him. We know Void wont let that happen. He is easily capable of encasing Thanos in tendrils, which if they don't affect him due to the same sort of reason that Nate Grey saw that Ares was divine on all levels then it will at least be able to stop him.
The Void has completely rendered helpless the Classic Avengers, On 2 occasions he has shattered Hulks bones completely. I don't recall many characters in recent history weakening Hulk that much except form probably Zeus busting his lungs and ribs (I think it was).
If Thanos manages to damage the Void, the Void has the capability to heal back from an atom as shown in Uncanny Avengers when he was battling the Sentry for control of his body.
Void has also been shown many times outside of Siege to be a team wrecker. In New Avengers #9 and 10 he showed he can do this.
Ultimately while Thanos is incredibly strong. He sin't capable of killing someone who is as much as if not more of a teambuster than he is. As good durability. And he is most definitely faster.
Using his mind wouldn't be an insta win for him. Void isn't exactly a slouch in that department, Sentry when being cured can resist people like Strange, can control what people like Absorbing Man can see into his mind. The Void has also used it on Hulk + tendrils in which he made Hulk witness all of his worst thoughts in one go. Thanos doesn't have that battle won in my opinion.
An astral attack would actually require time for Thanos to initiate one. And the Void wont sit around waiting.
Thanos can easily hit Void with omnidirectional blasts or multiple blasts at once (eyes and hands) which he has done on several occasions.
Seeing as Thanos is more powerful than Sentry and can matter manipulate people that have full molecular control, using Sentry to compare to Thanos is bad.
Thanos wrecked a avengers team In one of his first appearances in his weakest form. Plus it plainly show he could of wreck the whole of the Annihilators combined. Hell he pwnd lord Marvell who could of one shot killed the Annihilators
Thanos was on the verge of mind raping a well fed Galactus . He has stomp the likes of Moondragon mentally at the time she was enslaving entire planets with TP . Whilst weak in Imperative it took3 top telepaths to contain his mind and he still broke free.
Thanos went astral instantly when fighting the Doppleganger.
Originally posted by Bentley
Nobody Void has faced is on Thanos's paygrade though. Tanking some hits by Thor doesn't mean he'll be able to tank Thanos's blasts, Void's tendrils didn't deal more damage than Thor's hammer hits, so the comparision with Thor's shots are moot.Thanos doesn't have many showings trashing teams, but he has much better showings than Void.
Some of the points you brought have no weight in the debate.
It was a defence of what the Void can do and can take.
Sure you're correct. Just because he tanks Thor's blast doesn't mean he will be able to take Thanos's your correct. We were yet to see him damaged by any attack until they were all amped so it's unreasonable to assume that somehow Thanos is going to affect him in anyway.
But by saying your next piece you're dismissing the team wrecking feats the Void has by saying Thanos has better feats. Which in some cases is true I will admit.
I am not going to say you're talking rubbish as I am not the type of person to mindlessly defend a character.
But in team wrecking feats Void is up there as well. So the argument goes both ways.
My point with Voids tendrils was separate to what you were speaking of. I was referring to the fact that the Void can effectively tank the hit but with Thanos he is shown to have staggered. I wasn't talking about the tendrils in relation to Thor's hammer.
Sorry for the confusion (wasn't intended).
You said some parts of my argument had no weight in the debate.
Could you list them out please just so I can clear misconceptions if possible please?
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Thanos was hit from far greater heights than Void was by Thor , plus Thanos a amped Thor's hits (PG) better than Void did(norn stones)Thanos can easily hit Void with omnidirectional blasts or multiple blasts at once (eyes and hands) which he has done on several occasions.
Seeing as Thanos is more powerful than Sentry and can matter manipulate people that have full molecular control, using Sentry to compare to Thanos is bad.
Thanos wrecked a avengers team In one of his first appearances in his weakest form. Plus it plainly show he could of wreck the whole of the Annihilators combined. Hell he pwnd lord Marvell who could of one shot killed the Annihilators
Thanos was on the verge of mind raping a well fed Galactus . He has stomp the likes of Moondragon mentally at the time she was enslaving entire planets with TP . Whilst weak in Imperative it took3 top telepaths to contain his mind and he still broke free.
Thanos went astral instantly when fighting the Doppleganger.
Thanos went astral instantly when fighting the Doppleganger.
Fair enough I will concede on this point. I wont defend something when I am wrong.
Thanos being hit from a different height and Thor using his full power according to his own self makes this a difficult argument. Either you believe that because Thor hit Thanos from higher up that that occasion was more powerful or that him stating himself that it was his full power in that hit makes the Siege attack more powerful. I am going to lean on the actual statement made, rather than the argument that Thor was higher up when he attacked Thanos ergo that attack does more damage.
Sure Thanos can probably hit Void with blasts, but you're making the assumption that he is going to be able to drastically affect Void with them. Void has regenerated from crazy levels. So you can't exactly argue the fact that the Void would take tons of damage from a blast from Thanos. Who knows he may take more damage depending on if it hits. But remember to not fall into that trap of assuming he will be able to critically damage him.
Seeing as Thanos is more powerful than Sentry and can matter manipulate people that have full molecular control, using Sentry to compare to Thanos is bad.
I will disagree with the first part of your message but that is a debate for another thread.
Sentry can matter manipulate too. He defeated a weak mentally unstable Molecule Man and forced him to change everything back. So you making the argument about Thanos's matter manipulation doesn't really work in your favour when your opponent is a character of probably greater power when it comes to matter manip.
Thanos wrecked a avengers team In one of his first appearances in his weakest form. Plus it plainly show he could of wreck the whole of the Annihilators combined. Hell he pwnd lord Marvell who could of one shot killed the AnnihilatorsThanos was on the verge of mind raping a well fed Galactus . He has stomp the likes of Moondragon mentally at the time she was enslaving entire planets with TP . Whilst weak in Imperative it took3 top telepaths to contain his mind and he still broke free.
Sure that's good that he can wreck an Avengers team. But so can Void. Void can wreck them easily. He can restrain a team of the Classic Avengers just by power and not might. Void doesn't lack impressive team busting feats. Oh sure it's cool he can wreck the Annihilators. I mean eh has beaten Surfer to death (or was it near death) he has caught Mjolnir with his spells or something like that. Thanos is a extremely powerful character.
Where you said Galactus was well fed could you show me a scan so I can read it?
(not because I am calling you a liar but I am just interested)
Sure the TP feats are impressive extremely impressive in fact. But just because he has awesome feats doesn't mean we get to neglect Void/Sentry's feats. Sentry has resisted attacks from Strange.
While I will fully concede that is not on the level of Moondragon (as I believe she had a gem then right?) or Galactus you can't just assume that Thanos will instantly gain access to Sentry's mind when feats prove that otherwise.
Originally posted by Bentley
Well, for starters, Void being a team wrecker has little to do with his ability to deal with Thanos.His tendril form got damaged by Captain America backed by the Norn Stones, which make most of his tanking of Thor sort of moot.
And the Norn stones amped them. So that makes your point moot as well.
You can't use the example of Void being affected by someone being amped if that wasn't the stips that the OP posted.
Void being a team wrecker has little to do with his ability to deal with Thanos.
I can equally turn that around and say that Thanos being shown as a team wrecker or being able to take on Moondragon has nothing to do with him beating Void.
The argument goes both ways.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
all Moondragon did was create the mental plane they met on.That's why when Thanos faced Galactus he was alone.
The struggled for control for a short while.
If I recall didn't Thanos go to Galactus pretending he was there not for nefarious reasons?
Then ended up attacking him half way through the chat. Which is when Galactus says enough and resumes proceedings.
I'm happy to concede if I am wrong here.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
And the Norn stones amped them. So that makes your point moot as well.You can't use the example of Void being affected by someone being amped if that wasn't the stips that the OP posted.
If the Norn Stones have amped others beyond Thanos's level, sure, the point can be argued. But that needs proof, because assuming an amped Cap goes beyond Thanos is ludicrous.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I can equally turn that around and say that Thanos being shown as a team wrecker or being able to take on Moondragon has nothing to do with him beating Void.The argument goes both ways.
First of all, those weren't my arguments. Thanos beating Moondragon in psychic combat proves he's an able psychic, he has also mindcontrolled Hulk. Again, that's just a line of reasoning it can be debunked and proved moot, but it's not moot by itself.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
all Moondragon did was create the mental plane they met on.That's why when Thanos faced Galactus he was alone.
The struggled for control for a short while.
Even if Moondragon just did that, those are efforts that Thanos didn't provide with his own psyche. More psychic energy to face Galactus in a struggle that amounted to nothing despite it being essentially a sucker punch.
Originally posted by Bentley
If the Norn Stones have amped others beyond Thanos's level, sure, the point can be argued. But that needs proof, because assuming an amped Cap goes beyond Thanos is ludicrous.First of all, those weren't my arguments. Thanos beating Moondragon in psychic combat proves he's an able psychic, he has also mindcontrolled Hulk. Again, that's just a line of reasoning it can be debunked and proved moot, but it's not moot by itself.
I never stated that an amped Cap went beyond Thanos. My argument never even went into that area. You stated that the fact Cap when amped could damage Void made the point of Thor hitting him at full power without the amp irrelevant.
But in this case, these aren't the stips that are posted. I wasn't arguing about Thanos in any way here. The amp greatly affected everyone. If Thor at full power could do nothing to him. Then the fact that Cap can implies an extreme amp was involved to allow him do that.
But that wasn't the subject of this thread so I wont discuss it anymore.
First of all, those weren't my arguments. Thanos beating Moondragon in psychic combat proves he's an able psychic, he has also mindcontrolled Hulk. Again, that's just a line of reasoning it can be debunked and proved moot, but it's not moot by itself.
You said that Void being a team buster makes no difference to whether he can beat Thanos. Then when I throw back the same argument you discredit it.
The fact Void is a team buster does improve his chances of defeating Thanos because he is a team buster.
When I stated that point about Moondragon I didn't mean it literally. I was just using it as an example of how I could twist the argument. So don't get me wrong here.