Hulk vs Thor

Originally posted by carver9
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No sign of any of that affecting him in battle. If that slowed him down then he needs to give up the title of being a high Herald. Example...Superman fought non stop during OWAW. Bill flight non stop as well during his adventure at stopping Galactus. Both were still operating at Herald status. Gladiator fought non stop during the Vulcan war.

Nul didn't hit him but one time during that fight whereas Thor fatigued himself hammer hitting Nul and got koed ramming Nul. Now do you get it?

smh.. no sign of that affecting him in battle? dat muthafukka was blodied from that blast and btw, did any of those guys u mentioned get blasted by a skyfather?
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smh...

What skyfather blasted him? Are you referring to the scene where Serpent bfred him?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Yep I knew about those and figured they would come up sooner or later.

Thankfully, the scene includes more than just the " " to back up the ko theory. Otherwise those scans would pretty much put an end to it.

the moments you put up, all were around a large flash, explosion of some sort. In my opinion, it was like saying the sound was drowned out. In Nuls case, like in galactus' case, there was no such thing at the moment of the " " to suggest the drowning out of the sound. Yeah they're in space, but one being powered by asgardian magic and the other one being...Galactus ends that theory right there. So while yes of course the " " can simply be done for a big moment effect, I think there's still enough evidence around for it to easily be considered a flash ko under the circumstances.

Personally, I think at absolute best, you could say Nul was flash KO'd but was already coming to before re-entry.

As far as the sound in space thing goes, Thor and other Asgardians shit on that and habitually speak in space in spite of their being no sound due to them being gods. Iron Man even asks Thor once how in the hell he's doing it, to which Thor replies "I'm not from around here."

i'm not denying it, but a flash ko is at best what occurred cause nul was whooping ass the second he hit Transylvania, thor was more worse for the wear; of coarse thor had extenuating circumstances...kind of

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i'm not denying it, but a flash ko is at best what occurred cause nul was whooping ass the second he hit Transylvania, thor was more worse for the wear; of coarse thor had extenuating circumstances...kind of

I can agree to that.

Hulk one shots him again....313

Originally posted by carver9
No, I didn't give up:..it was 4 in the morning where I'm at when j was debating you. I went to sleep. I will respond later.

ah ok good to hear dude.

Originally posted by carver9
@Damborgson...

I'm not saying anything about Thor being on the ground...what I am saying is, during that entire fight, Nul only hit Thor once...his durability alone koed Thor. What I am also saying is that Thor was fatigued after hitting Nul, hell, his speech was split up due to him being fatigued/trying to get up off his ft to catch his breath.

Ok, let me reword my statement. Nul didn't tank Thor hits since he did have cuts, but he withstood those attacks and didn't show a sign of fatigue or being anywhere as close to being out of the fight and this came from a Thor that was trying to kill him.

No, the hit that took him into space didn't drop him or damage him to the point of knocking him out. If anything, it appears as if Nul was shocked...had the WTF look on his face. Lol reentry doesn't do a thing to Hulk, he doesn't feel it and this was proven on multiples of occasions. If he was knocked out, reentry would be the last thing to wake him up. So overall, you are reaching and don't have a shed of proof to help your argument.

Lol...I agree, Thor did beat Hulk but he didnt physically overwhelm them or anything, he just played his cards right. Thor isn't above Hulk either, this has been proven on multiples of occasion...especially against current Hulk.

Just because Bendis allowed Nul to be hurt, we don't exclude it. Nul wasn't hard to cut/bruise at all and this was shown against EVERYONE he's fought. I agree though, out of everyone he's faced, I think Thor hurt him more.

Yeah, Thor has damaged Abstracts, etc...that doesn't have a thing to do with his showings against Hulk...him having a team backing him while fighting Hulk and them still failing. You just underate Hulks power.

He took two free hits after being fighting the serpents army and being humiliated by him. Not to mention Odin. Not a bad showing really.

Ok that's better. But he was visibly hurt. Not as much as Thor was, but he was far from okay. And he was even less ok after he lost.

He had a ko'd expression on his face. Eyes shut and head tipped back. Though I can probably see how it could be argued he was only heavily stunned or something.

He can take reentry like a boss sure. I'd like to see a scan though where his skin is so thick that he no longer feels reentry though. Otherwise it's hardly reaching to say he woke up during it. Seeing as how it probably felt a little worse than had he just been falling without being engulfed in fire.

How is he not above Hulk though? I don't think it's a question in anyones mind now, that if they go into melee, the Hulk will win 10/10. And I'm counting savage for this also. It might not be easy, infact it probably won't be easy, but due to his powerset, he'll eventually put Thor down. But when we have a guy like Thor who has a million and 1 other things he can do besides melee....it's where Hulk's limitations show, and Thor's advantages increase.

It's something that has to be dealt with I agree. But it hardly has as much weight on it for being written by Benids. It's Bendis afterall. I wouldn't hold it against Hulk if spiderwoman had ko'd him even.

It has to do with the subject because if we compare their respective bests, it goes heavily in Thor's favor. The Hulk isn't qualified to deal with the big boys like Thor is.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
no "but", that's what happened. no air in space

He was Asgardian. It doesn't matter if there was no air.

nobody really knows the properties of the worthy, but them becoming asgardians..... that's a stretch

They were powered by Asgardian magic. Possessed by malignant Asgardian spirits. Yet they don't get Asgardian properties? That's much more of a stretch than what I'm saying. Especially since guys like Rulk get the pass for talking in space.

wait, you mean when he said he had to stop talking as his voice trailed off cause he ran out of air?

mhmm. If we're going to use the "no talking in space" deal, air has only so much to do with it. Sound can't carry. It's not like you and I would be able to have a conversation is space assuming we had unlimited air and weren't affected by the intense conditions. Our sound wouldn't travel. So it's a moot point here in comics.

lol. i could just post the scan here to refresh your memory

loeb made it seem like red hulk just had enough air from what was in his lungs to tell thor how he was making him look stupid, and his speech was trailing off

lol. Concession accepted. I know exactly what happened. I'm telling you why it doesn't matter, and you're previous argument doesn't either.

again, what are the properties of the worthy?

Originally posted by Takion

Originally posted by Damborgson
They were powered by Asgardian magic. Possessed by malignant Asgardian spirits.

They're ancient Asgardian spirits which seemingly possess the host/wielders of the hammers in question.

Given the nature of the hammers and the history in which utilizing said Asgardians weapon often results in transforming into a demi-god of sorts, I would attribute basic Asgardian features and capabilities on top of anything they already possess.

By that I mean, possessing a divine spark of sorts for their soul, being able to converse in space, relative immortality in terms of aging and the like, and defying other laws of nature and science.

they were possessed

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
By that I mean, possessing a divine spark of sorts for their soul, being able to converse in space, relative immortality in terms of aging and the like, and defying other laws of nature and science.

basically none of those attributes were seen on panel aside from the last part, but then again those characters had that to begin with

Said possession clearly effected their physical forms, though, as evidenced by some of their more startling transformations.

For all intents and purposes, they were basically akin to someone like Donald Blake or Eric Masterson becoming worthy of Mjolnir and becoming Thor. I wouldn't give them Thor's powerset or some of his more esoteric abilities, but I would attribute to them basic Asgardian properties at the very least.

It's ridiculous. The sound of our words wouldn't travel in space anyway. So trying to be all real with "no air no words" isn't flying.