Hulk vs Thor

Originally posted by iceman24567
This nigga Thor has been carried off the battlefield so much they should have a stretcher on hand during all of his fights

hulk wins this thread was built around hulk, come on man , Cis is off no destroying the planet and no bfr.

Thor overall is>hulk in powerset but this thread is handicapping thor and to make matters worse this is a very powerful version of hulk.

How is it handicapping Thor? I took CIS off for both.

it's CIP not CIS. thor doesn't inexplicably forget he has those powers or dumb himself down against him, he chooses not to use them on hulk cause thor wants to beat him fair and square, which is why he said as much in fear itself

yeah

Originally posted by Damborgson
CIS off.They will use everything they have to win (minus BFR.)

thankfully I took care of that

Originally posted by Damborgson
Yep I knew about those and figured they would come up sooner or later.

Thankfully, the scene includes more than just the " " to back up the ko theory. Otherwise those scans would pretty much put an end to it.

I dont really see anything else to indicate he was KOed myself.

the moments you put up, all were around a large flash, explosion of some sort. In my opinion, it was like saying the sound was drowned out. In Nuls case, like in galactus' case, there was no such thing at the moment of the " " to suggest the drowning out of the sound. Yeah they're in space, but one being powered by asgardian magic and the other one being...Galactus ends that theory right there. So while yes of course the " " can simply be done for a big moment effect, I think there's still enough evidence around for it to easily be considered a flash ko under the circumstances.

Well I think the main thing here is that the argument is now very different to the empty speech bubble always denoting unconsciousness. To my knowledge, there are no examples of Fraction using the empty speech bubble to represent unconsciousness but several examples of him using it to represent something else. The Galactus example is a bit different IMO as he has the "..." rather than the empty speech bubble. That may be splitting hairs or it may be significant. But what we do have is several examples of the speech form being used to denote what could be interpreted either as speech being drowned out by a large noise or as characters reacting to a huge event. Since in some of these cases (e.g. The Thing being transformed) there doesnt appear to be any attempt to speak beforehand i think its meant to indicate, at least some of the time, a characters reaction to an event. And that very much weakens the original argument IMO.

Speaking for myself i dont really subscribe to the "sound not being audible in space theory". As i see it the scene depicts Nul looking down at the Earth after finding himself in orbit and his reaction to that. And as such, if anything, the speech bubble more or less demonstrates consciousness.

i just dont see thor being able to take down WBH hes to strong he'd break him eventually hulk is to powerful and would survive anything thor had to throw at him hulk wins 8-9/10

Seems a bit of a reach to definitively state Nul Hulk was ko'd, most of the evidence points to the contrary.

Personally I don't get why it matters if he was ktfo or not. The bottomline is that the two charged at each other, poised for a final strike of sorts and Thor got the better of the exchange by batting Nul's behind right out of the atmosphere. No cheap shot, no bs, just head on, my best shyt vs your best shyt.

Whether he [Nul] was actually knocked out as a result of the blow is kinda redundant in a way. Like arguing for extra bananas, nuts and cherries on the side of your banana split.

Originally posted by Fifthchild
I dont really see anything else to indicate he was KOed myself.

Well I think the main thing here is that the argument is now very different to the empty speech bubble always denoting unconsciousness. To my knowledge, there are no examples of Fraction using the empty speech bubble to represent unconsciousness but several examples of him using it to represent something else. The Galactus example is a bit different IMO as he has the "..." rather than the empty speech bubble. That may be splitting hairs or it may be significant. But what we do have is several examples of the speech form being used to denote what could be interpreted either as speech being drowned out by a large noise or as characters reacting to a huge event. Since in some of these cases (e.g. The Thing being transformed) there doesnt appear to be any attempt to speak beforehand i think its meant to indicate, at least some of the time, a characters reaction to an event. And that very much weakens the original argument IMO.

Speaking for myself i dont really subscribe to the "sound not being audible in space theory". As i see it the scene depicts Nul looking down at the Earth after finding himself in orbit and his reaction to that. And as such, if anything, the speech bubble more or less demonstrates consciousness.

I do.

I knew before hand of the scans you posted. I have those comics in which they happened. But obviously the serpent transforming, Sin touching the hammer, and Thor striking a star colossus are not means for ko. In the case of Nul and Galactus however where both took tremendous attacks...it is different. "..." isn't really dieffernt than " " I hardly think Fraction intended anything but a ko.

The thing was speaking though:

but I guess I can see where you say that it would be a reaction to an event. It makes sense to me. Regardless of that, those situations separate from the Nul, and Galactus scenes.

The empty speech bubble from Nul in that case is to show he could not speak imo. Meaning he was out. Or barely coming to his senses anyway. That he begins yelling after he starts burning just points to him waking up during reentry. Seeing as how his Asgardian properties wouldn't give a shit whether he was in space or not, he'd still be able to speak.

facepalm

Thor wins the vast majority

Problem? Feel free to come at me.

Originally posted by dmills
Personally I don't get why it matters if he was ktfo or not. The bottomline is that the two charged at each other, poised for a final strike of sorts and Thor got the better of the exchange by batting Nul's behind right out of the atmosphere. No cheap shot, no bs, just head on, my best shyt vs your best shyt.

Whether he [Nul] was actually knocked out as a result of the blow is kinda redundant in a way. Like arguing for extra bananas, nuts and cherries on the side of your banana split.

It depends what you are arguing. If a BFR is a win to you then Thor won bigtime. If not then the question of whether Nul was KOed might be more important to you. Personally it doesnt matter much to me either way whether a BFR is considered a win. As a brick, more or less, Hulk is always fairly vulnerable to this tactic. But as a fan i feel pretty happy with how his power was displayed in this story.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Problem? Feel free to come at me.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you're proving hulk wasn't ko'd, before this argument cropped back up more people said thor ko'd him. isn't that a bad thing?

Who exactly changed their mind? The people who thought it was a ko still think it. The people who don't still don't.

Originally posted by Fifthchild
It depends what you are arguing. If a BFR is a win to you then Thor won bigtime. If not then the question of whether Nul was KOed might be more important to you. Personally it doesnt matter much to me either way whether a BFR is considered a win. As a brick, more or less, Hulk is always fairly vulnerable to this tactic. But as a fan i feel pretty happy with how his power was displayed in this story.

If you're postulating that he intentionally bfr'd Nul as some sort of desperate ploy then a Thor fan should take exception to that. And they'd be correct in doing so. The bfr is/was a result of a powerful lightning amped blow.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I do.

I knew before hand of the scans you posted. I have those comics in which they happened.

OK. Perhaps you should have mentioned them though instead of stating that an empty speech bubble was always used to by Fraction to show someone taking extreme damage ("The empty speech bubble is Fractions way of saying someone just got majorly phucked up."😉 when theres so much contrary evidence. *shrug*

But obviously the serpent transforming, Sin touching the hammer, and Thor striking a star colossus are not means for ko. In the case of Nul and Galactus however where both took tremendous attacks...it is different. "..." isn't really dieffernt than " " I hardly think Fraction intended anything but a ko.

OK but this is basically going purely off your own personal opinion.

The thing was speaking though:

I hadnt re-looked at that scan and yes he was talking a bit beforehand.

It does become a bit of a stretch though to assume that in all these instances the characters are trying to say something but are in fact drowned out. There are other examples from Fear Itself (and undoubtedly from Fractions run in general) that may give a clearer answer but at any rate it very much weakens the idea that empty speech bubble equals KO IMO.

but I guess I can see where you say that it would be a reaction to an event. It makes sense to me. Regardless of that, those situations separate from the Nul, and Galactus scenes.

The empty speech bubble from Nul in that case is to show he could not speak imo. Meaning he was out. Or barely coming to his senses anyway. That he begins yelling after he starts burning just points to him waking up during reentry. Seeing as how his Asgardian properties wouldn't give a shit whether he was in space or not, he'd still be able to speak.

OK, but this is purely opinion/conjecture with nothing to back it up.

Originally posted by dmills
If you're postulating that he intentionally bfr'd Nul as some sort of desperate ploy then a Thor fan should take exception to that. And they'd be correct in doing so. The bfr is/was a result of a powerful lightning amped blow.