CISless Surfer vs CISless Thor

Originally posted by vince_slice
1. Surfer's board tactic wasn't cheap because it was used mid-battle not mid-conversation. Surfer and Bill were already engaged in a fight when he used that tactic so its perfectly viable.

2. If you're going to call Surfer cheap for using his board and attacking Bill from behind mid-combat, then what Thor did was 10x worse . Thor threw his hammer at Surfer's back while he was talking with Odin outside of combat. That's far cheaper and It's right there in the scans.

3. There are no excuses here and never were. Thor wasn't winning nor did he pound Surfer in. It was an obvious stalemate. Surfer pleading Thor to stop fighting and showing "kindness" mid-battle is clear sign Surfer was no where near blood lusted or out to kill. In fact he acted defensive the whole fight. Near the end he did get fed-up with Thor acting like a "pompous ass" though. 😂

Originally posted by DarkOdin
1. Well since BRB has the same exact powerset as Thor that is clearly not true as Thor has proven himself over Surfer. Plus that fact i don't recall skuttlebutt saying anything like thaat i have issue 1-3 and can't find 2 could you throw up a scan.

2. Surfer came into Asgard and threaten Odin and all of asgard and was charging up to attack Odin. An attack from all of Asgard is fair game at that point. when you enter a kingdom of gods and threathen their king you show expect their number 1 warrior is going to attack.

3. the battle showed Thor taking SS shots and still attacking strong SS was down from must of Thor blows heck Thor recovered faster then SS when SS crashed them both into the planet.

1. Having the same power set as Thor doesn't mean you can use it as effectively as him. Surfer beating up Bill easily doesn't mean he can beat up Thor just as easily. But it does mean Surfer outclasses Bill.

Here's the scan just for you Godhunter #2 page 15:

11% chance if Surfer holds back, 6% chance if he doesn't.

2. You really think Surfer would attack all of Asgard including Odin by himself? More like he was warning Asgard what would happen if they denied Galactus the seed. Still even at the end of this story arc Surfer eventually sided with Asgard pleading his master to spare them.

3. Reading the whole fight from beginning to end I don't see anything you just posted. Both exchanged blows and neither were hurt badly at all from the blows they did exchange. Thor looked more aggressive but he didn't accomplish much except looking like a jerk, while Surfer looked more defensive. The result looked like a stalemate pure and simple.

Originally posted by vince_slice
1. Having the same power set as Thor doesn't mean you can use it as effectively as him. Surfer beating up Bill easily doesn't mean he can beat up Thor just as easily. But it does mean Surfer outclasses Bill.

Here's the scan just for you Godhunter #2 page 15:

11% chance if Surfer holds back, 6% chance if he doesn't.

2. You really think Surfer would attack all of Asgard including Odin by himself? More like he was warning Asgard what would happen if they denied Galactus the seed. Still even at the end of this story arc Surfer eventually sided with Asgard pleading his master to spare them.

3. Reading the whole fight from beginning to end I don't see anything you just posted. Both exchanged blows and neither were hurt badly at all from the blows they did exchange. Thor looked more aggressive but he didn't accomplish much except looking like a jerk, while Surfer looked more defensive. The result looked like a stalemate pure and simple.

1. Thats scans shows SS only makes a 5% difference if he goes all out. The other 95% is determined by galactus and the other heralds. So it doesn't directly comapre BRB and SS power at all.

2 . What else those it mean when you form an energy ball in you hand and say " I knew that be your would response....this pains me All-father. It was clear SS was going to attack.

3. Both landed on th eplanet at the same time by the time surfer barly gets to his feet Thor hits him. he recovered faster even while wounded. Thor was clearly the better of the two granted the matchwas on going could of went either way? maybe but given Thor's history with SS it was clear he was ahead of the battle.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
1. Thats scans shows SS only makes a 5% difference if he goes all out. The other 95% is determined by galactus and the other heralds. So it doesn't directly comapre BRB and SS power at all.

2 . What else those it mean when you form an energy ball in you hand and say " I knew that be your would response....this pains me All-father. It was clear SS was going to attack.

3. Both landed on th eplanet at the same time by the time surfer barly gets to his feet Thor hits him. he recovered faster even while wounded. Thor was clearly the better of the two granted the matchwas on going could of went either way? maybe but given Thor's history with SS it was clear he was ahead of the battle.

1. Who says the scan was to compare Bills power to Surfers? That wasn't the point of the scan. Don't try pulling a strawman on me. The point of the scan was to show that Surfer holds back, especially in his fight with Bill. In fact Bill and his A.I assumed Surfer would hold back in that very same scan.

2. If you really think Surfer's dumb enough to attempt to take on Odin and all of Asgard by himself you can keep thinking that.

3. Not really, both were on their feet at the same time, go look at those scans again. Thor was just acting way more aggressive of the two while Surfer was defensive. In fact for most of the fight it was Thor who always threw the first punch. Being the one that always throws the first punch doesn't mean you did better. Especially when Surfer retaliated each punch thrown.

These fights for me always come down to whether I think Surfer can more times than not separate Thor from Mjolnir, whether it be by making Thor drop it from an attack (lower likelihood), or Thor performing a hammer toss and Surfer restraining Thor's hands so he can't wield the hammer afterwards (higher likelihood). If Thor keeps Mjolnir in hand, he has an edge of possibly 6/10+. Surfer has the firepower to drop him, but the energy absorption powers of Mjolnir are a bit much. If Surfer can get the hammer out of Thor's hand, I'd say Surfer's chances are 7/10+. Mjolnir's energy soak is pretty much the perfect foil for Surfer's energy blasts, but those are hammer powers, not innate Thor powers. Disarm Thor, Surfer drops him. Take away Surfer's board he's still got plenty of options, his mobility just takes a big hit.

Originally posted by vince_slice
1. Who says the scan was to compare Bills power to Surfers? That wasn't the point of the scan. Don't try pulling a strawman on me. The point of the scan was to show that Surfer holds back, especially in his fight with Bill. In fact Bill and his A.I assumed Surfer would hold back in that very same scan.

2. If you really think Surfer's dumb enough to attempt to take on Odin and all of Asgard by himself you can keep thinking that.

3. Not really, both were on their feet at the same time, go look at those scans again. Thor was just acting way more aggressive of the two while Surfer was defensive. In fact for most of the fight it was Thor who always threw the first punch. Being the one that always throws the first punch doesn't mean you did better. Especially when Surfer retaliated each punch thrown.

1. Which makes the whole subject useless since BRB was holding back too. BRB choose to talk after knocking Srufer of his board. We now SS was holding back but then again so was BRB

2. So please explain what Surfer was going to do with his energy ball play a game of catch with the all-faTHER 🙄

3 The scan shows Surfer just getting out of the crater from him hitting the ground while Thor is already on the attack and levels the Surfer to the ground. Its clear Thor was coming out ahead SS atatck on made Thor made while SS is the one catching the worst end or it