Top Tier/Herald Class: Who is the #1 p4p?

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I gave my picks before, but I'll take the thread with a different perspective:

If this is about "Who can do the most with what they have" (inside the Hight Herald Lvl tier), then, this is my new list:

1- Superman
2- Hulk
3- Thor
4- Hal Jordan
5- Nova Prime

I still think Surfer has the potential to shit all over most of them, especially Superman, because his powerset is taylor made to **** him up, but he doesn't go all out enough and doesn't use his potential at the fullest but in rare occasions.
Those 5 cats above use everything they have, and kick epic amounts of ass.

No love for Orion? He wields the Source. Source>Power Cosmic, IMO.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
No love for Orion? He wields the Source. Source>Power Cosmic, IMO.

I put the Power Cosmic above the Source, but that just me.
Also, I see Surfer way more versatile that Orion. It's the main reason I'd put him above, even though Orion is a way, way better fighter that Surfer.

He's not way more versatile, when you count the MB. And how is the PC> Source. Source represents the universal spirit of God.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He's not way more versatile, when you count the MB. And how is the PC> Source. Source represents the universal spirit of God.

Power Cosmic is wield by the major forces of the MU, so...

Originally posted by Bouboumaster Power Cosmic is wield by the major forces of the MU, so...

which are probably not as powerful as the source itself.

1. Superman

2. Thor

3. Surfer

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He's not way more versatile, when you count the MB. And how is the PC> Source. Source represents the universal spirit of God.

Didn't Superman laugh off Orion's Astro Force blast? Didn't the Surfer absolutely humiliate Orion during a CrossOver event?

Originally posted by zopzop
Didn't Superman laugh off Orion's Astro Force blast? Didn't the Surfer absolutely humiliate Orion during a CrossOver event?

He WRECKED him. Surfer was basically unstoppable until Darkseid backstabbed him.

Originally posted by zopzop Didn't Superman laugh off Orion's Astro Force blast? Didn't the Surfer absolutely humiliate Orion during a CrossOver event?

no. superman was actually knocked out once by the astro force. plus when they first met, orion stated that he had to hold back, because he feared he would have killed supes.

Silver Surfer.

Adam Warlock should be very close to the top as well.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
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Originally posted by zopzop
Didn't Superman laugh off Orion's Astro Force blast? Didn't the Surfer absolutely humiliate Orion during a CrossOver event?

Superman was one-shotted by af the first time he met orion....

Also that was a cross-over. In the same one series superman laughed off Reed's adamantium-cutting laser and was transformed into Galactus' new herald and no-sold everything anyone threw at him. Cross-overs shouldn't really count for much imo.

Superman -
Probably the most rounded character of all. He has the physical stats, the speed, and the energy expenditure to compete with just about everyone.

Weakness:
He lacks the exotic energy manipulation feats that the others on my list have. I don't count his "psychic martial art".

Thor -
Biggest combination of physical stats and exotic magical manipulation. He can take a beating, give a beating, or use magic to skip the entire fight.

Weakness:
For all his abilities, he lacks the speed to counter or be extremely useful against all opponents.

Silver Surfer -
He is the guy with the most exotic abilities of all - he can basically manipulate the Power Cosmic to do anything he wants.

Weakness:
He's a better long range fighter than a top tier brute, physical stats being his one weak point.

Wildcard:

Green Lantern -
Take your pick of which one, but they do wield the most powerful weapon in the universe. If it's a Green Lantern title, they crap on every single Earth based hero, including Superman. If it's a JLA title, depends on the writer, but they are the most versatile gun they have. I've always been a fan of theirs, so my opinion may be biased, but I feel that the physical representation of their willpower gives them the exotic abilities akin to Surfer and upgrades their physical/speed stats to Superman level.

Weakness:
Entire ability is based on energy. That has been exploited in the past.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
no. superman was actually knocked out once by the astro force. plus when they first met, orion stated that he had to hold back, because he feared he would have killed supes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman takes a surprise attack from astro-force by Orion and shrugs it off

IMO, Genis is beyond herald level. Trans, at least.

I don't think Superman is as great as people make him out to be. I would give top slots to characters like Thor, Genis, Silver Surfer, and maybe classic Warlock. I can't justify picking Superman above any of these guys in my mind.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't think Superman is as great as people make him out to be. I would give top slots to characters like Thor, Genis, Silver Surfer, and maybe classic Warlock. I can't justify picking Superman above any of these guys in my mind.

This.

Surfer's THE herald. If anyone outclasses him they are most likely above herald. If not him it's gotta go to Thor. On a side note how would you guys define a herald level character?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Maxima, Wonder Woman (full gear pre-new 52), Sersi, Sinestro, and Swamp thing

Yea, Wonder Woman's pretty flexible. I mean, people don't think of her as such since she doesn't have a 'do what I think' power set like GLs, but she's got high HtH, magic cut-anything weapons, magic block-all defense, the lasso which has mind and restraining hax, and Zeus's lightning zap. That's a lot of strong abilities.

Maxima's Maxima, TP and TK and physical stats all at high level is always great.

Sersi's transmutation is pretty uber.

Swamp Thing is I think above herald.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
1.) Superman.
2.) Thor.
3.) Silver Surfer.

Pretty much; those are consistently seen as the "big 3" imo.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't think Superman is as great as people make him out to be. I would give top slots to characters like Thor, Genis, Silver Surfer, and maybe classic Warlock. I can't justify picking Superman above any of these guys in my mind.

His feats? shrug