Top Tier/Herald Class: Who is the #1 p4p?

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Surfer's THE herald. If anyone outclasses him they are most likely above herald. If not him it's gotta go to Thor. On a side note how would you guys define a herald level character?

Well that's tricky. Generally speaking the Silver Surfer, Superman, and Thor are at base levels (i.e. no amplification by use of outside aid) High Heralds. Superman can go beyond High Herald level from basking in the sun for prolonged periods of time, as can the Surfer, while Thor can use armors or attain a state of mind called Warriors Madness, which is basically another way of saying berserk.

What makes it tricky is that there are other characters that fit well into the High Herald class although not being as versatile. This is mainly because they can hang with the top boys and girls in a fight. Black Adam, Doomsday, Juggernaut, Lobo, Wonder Woman, and several others are all examples of High Heralds that can not shoot laser beams, negate mystical forces, or transmute matter. Why? Because if any of them fought the more versatile High Heralds on any given day, they could win. You simply have to be familiar with a given characters performance in comparison to the big boys and girls, and this will give you a rough idea on how to classify them, in terms of power ratings.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well that's tricky. Generally speaking the Silver Surfer, Superman, and Thor are at [b]base levels (i.e. no amplification by use of outside aid) High Heralds. Superman can go beyond High Herald level from basking in the sun for prolonged periods of time, as can the Surfer, while Thor can use armors or attain a state of mind called Warriors Madness, which is basically another way of saying berserk.

What makes it tricky is that there are other characters that fit well into the High Herald class although not being as versatile. This is mainly because they can hang with the top boys and girls in a fight. Black Adam, Doomsday, Juggernaut, Lobo, Wonder Woman, and several others are all examples of High Heralds that can not shoot laser beams, negate mystical forces, or transmute matter. Why? Because if any of them fought the more versatile High Heralds on any given day, they could win. You simply have to be familiar with a given characters performance in comparison to the big boys and girls, and this will give you a rough idea on how to classify them, in terms of power ratings. [/B]

Not bad. I disagree with certain things, but for the most part yeah. And imo tier classifications aren't anywhere near as difficult to come up with as some make it out to be. What mucks it up for the most part are people arguing over where their favs end up.

Originally posted by dmills
Not bad. I disagree with certain things, but for the most part yeah. And imo tier classifications aren't anywhere near as difficult to come up with as some make it out to be. What mucks it up for the most part are people arguing over where their favs end up.

Seconded.

Ok so from what I gather these are the top 20. Remember We are thinking how combat effective they are, in a general sense against all opposition.
And there is a method to my madness. Round up the history of each character, to determine a win/lose ratio, and the 5 most noticeable wins.

The win lose ratio will be determine by how they have fared against each other.

Superman
Thor
Silver Surfer
Hulk
Sentry
Kyle
Sinestro
Hal
Cyborg Superman
Orion
Barry
Wally
Photon
Zemo
Shaman X-Man
Majestic
Captain Atom
Nova Prime
Quasar
Hulk

Originally posted by "Id"
Ok so from what I gather these are the top 20. Remember We are thinking how combat effective they are, in a general sense against all opposition.
And there is a method to my madness. Round up the history of each character, to determine a win/lose ratio, and the 5 most noticeable wins.

The win lose ratio will be determine by how they have fared against each other.

Superman
Thor
Silver Surfer
Hulk
Sentry
Kyle
Sinestro
Hal
Cyborg Superman
Orion
Barry
Wally
Photon
Zemo
Shaman X-Man
Majestic
Captain Atom
Nova Prime
Quasar
Hulk

u have two hulks on here...take one out and replace him with diana with all her gear

u also have a bunch of lanterns two flashes...he's my list suggestion

Superman
Thor
Silver Surfer
Hulk
Sentry
Hal
Cyborg Superman
Orion
Barry
Photon
Zemo...two stones
Shaman X-Man
Majestic
Captain Atom
Nova Prime
Quasar
Wonder Woman (all gear)
Adam Warlock
Martian Manhunter
Black Adam/Captain Marvel
Maxima

Hulk belongs in trans+ tier.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk belongs in trans+ tier.

no

Originally posted by Sin I AM
no

Originally posted by dmills
Not bad. I disagree with certain things, but for the most part yeah. And imo tier classifications aren't anywhere near as difficult to come up with as some make it out to be. What mucks it up for the most part are people arguing over where their favs end up.

This is far from the only problem with classification. Simply put, anything resembling definitive is impossible. At best, it's a rough gauge for those who are new to comics. Very knowledgeable fans could never come to a consensus. Any ranking system has a very limited capacity at informing more nuanced vs. discussion.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
no

Hulk in a calm state punching someone, causing planetary destruction.

Trans+.

What are we looking at there carver? That he created some earthquake-level shocks, beat up some Ninja Turtle villains, and waded through lava? Am I missing anything? Heralds have accidentally destroyed planets without directly targeting them and have bathed in stars. That's a good feat, Hulk's a top hero, but it's you're own definition of Trans+ if you think that's what it means. Trans level beings have destroyed solar systems and stars.

Originally posted by Digi
What are we looking at there carver? That he created some earthquake-level shocks, beat up some Ninja Turtle villains, and waded through lava? Am I missing anything? Heralds have accidentally destroyed planets without directly targeting them and have bathed in stars. That's a good feat, but it's you're own definition of Trans+ if you think that's what it means.

Also, rage takes many forms, and Hulk's various incarnations don't always feed off his anger the same way. I'm not sure you can say he was calm.

😆 Ninjas Turtles?

I posted that as a punching power ft for a calm Hulk and to show that he is still at his WBH levels. Physically, you can't find many Heralds leveling planets with blows. Especially modern day comics.

Originally posted by carver9
😆 Ninjas Turtles?

I posted that as a punching power ft for a calm Hulk and to show that he is still at his WBH levels. Physically, you can't find many Heralds leveling planets with blows. Especially modern day comics.

Originally posted by Digi
That's a good feat, Hulk's a top hero, but it's you're own definition of Trans+ if you think that's what it means. Trans level beings have destroyed solar systems and stars.

I'd also point out that while you have a point about "modern" comics, all but a few of the feats I reference from Heralds and Trans have not been retconned. If you want to think he's Trans, go ahead. When we actually had a list here on KMC (mercifully, we don't anymore) Trans meant swallowing stars, destroying solar systems, and wrecking entire teams of herald level characters. If Hulk is the current definition, it has a very different meaning and has basically lost any descriptive value it may have once had.

Also, pure destructive power isn't everything. People rate Surfer and others above him because he can do more overall, not because he always has more destructive power.

Originally posted by Digi
I'd also point out that while you have a point about "modern" comics, all but a few of the feats I reference from Heralds and Trans have not been retconned. If you want to think he's Trans, go ahead. When we actually had a list here on KMC (mercifully, we don't anymore) Trans meant swallowing stars, destroying solar systems, and wrecking entire teams of herald level characters. If Hulk is the current definition, it has a very different meaning.

It depends on how you look at it though. In some cases, people depict trans, high heralds, and skyfathers based on their versatility and raw power, some view it as capabilities, what a character can accomplish in a fight or basically the raw power they bring to the table. If versatility had anything to do with a tier, then people like Monarch, Prime, and Doomsday wouldn't be high trans to low skyfathers. Raw power is a indication as well and Hulk meets the qualification of being trans plus since he basically have the fts putting him in this tier.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk in a calm state punching someone, causing planetary destruction.

Trans+.

carver that is not a trans level feat, your reaching

Originally posted by Sin I AM
carver that is not a trans level feat, your reaching

Why isn't it?

Originally posted by -Pr-
His feats? shrug

Originally posted by Digi
What are we looking at there carver? That he created some earthquake planetary-level shocks all across Earth, beat up some Ninja Turtle villains, and waded through lava? Am I missing anything? Heralds have accidentally destroyed planets without directly targeting them and have bathed in stars. That's a good feat, Hulk's a top hero, but it's you're own definition of Trans+ if you think that's what it means. Trans level beings have destroyed solar systems and stars.

imo because there is no basis for this but i do believe i hold the general concensus

in order to be a trans level character u have to he at LEAST a galactic level threat and or manipulate energy/ destroy matter on that scale

would u really place hulk in a class with Amazo or classic strange?...

Originally posted by Sin I AM
would u really place hulk in a class with Amazo or classic strange?...

Not if I wanted to live with myself.