Can Thor Respond To A Speedblitz?

Originally posted by CosmicComet

No. Defensive stance or Offensive stance, its completely irrelevant if your reflexes are not up to par with that feat.

Think about how fast his hands have to be moving back and forth. Several hundreds of thousands of buildings. Completely patched up in seconds.

Even if you slowed it down by a million times, making him take months to do it instead of seconds, it would still be far faster than Thor's closest analogue feat, where he built a tower in seemingly a few minutes.

It's not even out of his abilities via power scaling. I've seen Superman back in the Golden Age comics create an entire underground city from scratch in seconds. And mainstream Supes and Golden Age Supes have clashed before, as confirmed by Sirius.

Your have too realistic an approach to this. If character A, can strike so hard that he can split adamantium it does not mean he would be able one shot Hercules in h2h.

Simply because he was able to create that city (which is an ambiguous feat due to the amp) does not mean Thor is suddenly a statue and cannot retaliate.

Your lowballing here

Originally posted by CosmicComet
He definitely would've been fixing electrical circuitry and shit too.

Does Bizarro World even have electricity? O_o

Or electricians? And would a Bizarro electrician know anything about wires?

Basically, you either feel that superspeed, while under a forum setting, is an unstoppable and insurmountable advantage against someone with scattered reflex showings ranging from peak human to supersonic to FTL as well as the means to counter a "blitz" outside of simply trying to tag them flush with a strike or you feel that speed, while definitely an advantage, doesn't translate into something so far beyond and warped from the pages of the comics themselves that you've effectively created a character that doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Your have too realistic an approach to this. If character A, can strike so hard that he can split adamantium it does not mean he would be able one shot Hercules in h2h.

Simply because he was able to create that city (which is an ambiguous feat due to the amp) does not mean Thor is suddenly a statue and cannot retaliate.

Your lowballing here

The realistic approach is the best way to go about it. As a rule, writers tend to be ignorant, inconsistent (tied down by plot considerations or otherwise) or downright stupid. If someone bashes through primary adamantium they absolutely should be able to one shot, if not kill, Herc in h2h. The gap in durability between Herc's skin and primary adamantium is that great.

Yes it would in a hypothetical forum setting. Superman has the feats to say Thor would be a statue to him.

I didn't lowball anyone. I'm using Superman at his upper end and gave a really great speed feat for Thor as well that still wouldn't compare.

Thor would shit on Superman if he had comparable speed since he has greater raw power. But he doesn't. So he in turn gets shitted on.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The realistic approach is the best way to go about it. As a rule, writers tend to be ignorant, inconsistent (tied down by plot considerations or otherwise) or downright stupid. If someone bashes through primary adamantium they absolutely should be able to one shot, if not kill, Herc in h2h. The gap in durability between Herc's skin and primary adamantium is that great.

Yes it would in a hypothetical forum setting. Superman has the feats to say Thor would be a statue to him.

I didn't lowball anyone. I'm using Superman at his upper end and gave a really great speed feat for Thor as well that still wouldn't compare.

Thor would shit on Superman if he had comparable speed since he has greater raw power. But he doesn't. So he in turn gets shitted on.

yes but your negating the fact that here we debate by using both powersets and on panel showings...

They aren't in the same universe.

So there is no canon panel showing where Thor fights Superman and is able to keep up with him.

Ergo, going by panel showings. Superman's speed feats are far superior. I love Thor, but truthfully, he only really gets consideration for being able to stand up to Superman's speed because he is a big dog at Marvel, one of the big two in comics with DC, and they are seen in the same 'tier', so when people imagine a fight in their heads they somehow try to rationalize that the fight has to be close because it just 'feels right'.

But, really, that doesn't matter. And no, the fight doesn't have to be close.

If some other obscure character had speed feats comparable to Thor, would anyone be arguing that Superman doesn't blitz the hell out of him? Superman is not going to be someone complaining that Wolverine's speed is tough to handle. Wolverine is very fast of course, supersonic-hypersonic bullet timing level easily, but there is a big gap in speed between bullet timing and Superman's level.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The realistic approach is the best way to go about it. As a rule, writers tend to be ignorant, inconsistent (tied down by plot considerations or otherwise) or downright stupid. If someone bashes through primary adamantium they absolutely should be able to one shot, if not kill, Herc in h2h. The gap in durability between Herc's skin and primary adamantium is that great.

Yes it would in a hypothetical forum setting. Superman has the feats to say Thor would be a statue to him.

I didn't lowball anyone. I'm using Superman at his upper end and gave a really great speed feat for Thor as well that still wouldn't compare.

Thor would shit on Superman if he had comparable speed since he has greater raw power. But he doesn't. So he in turn gets shitted on.

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[B]I doubt Superman was amped by like a million times or anything. It's worth mentioning in a thread like this imo but shouldn't be used as definitive evidence as he still had an ambiguous amp from a source that's not usually in play.]

Your probably right about ambiguous amp part.

Then again he does have a shared though similar feat

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Deconstructing a futuristic city and returning it to a small town setting in moments

Originally posted by janus77
well reasoned and pretty much how I'd see Thor - Superman too (as a forum fight).

Originally posted by Sin I AM

In Avengers 166, Thor has shown FTL speed feats such as blocking Nefaria's heat vision. Thor is depicted as fast enough to react to the attack. No many will say thats not a traditional "blitz" attack, however the fact that he was able to respond so quickly shows his reflexes are u to the task. Also understand that is canon that Thor controls Mjolnir, when during the Masterson era he throws the hammer and realizes he has to navigate it since it is not sentient, and wont do it on its own (Thor 433).

The problem arises when some of the "proof" of Thor's FTL reflexes is ambiguous (the whole Thor in space/hammer navigation issue). Both side are interpreting this differently and neither side is willing to budge. It boils down to whether or not Thor's hammer has navigational AI. If it does then Thor doesn't need near FTL reflexes to maneuver in space. If it doesn't then Thor does need near FTL reflexes.

Truth of the matter is u dont even need FTL reflexes to respont to a blitz because, Superman, Diana, etc dont have combat feats at that level. At the end of the day all speedsters in comics get tagged, so imo Thor will be able to respond appropriately

Diana was proven to move her limbs faster than light itself. Superman can attack at faster than light speeds within battle distance.

Lastly, the problem isn't just reflexes but speed combined with reflexes. For example, I can have the reflexes to see light move in slow motion but with my current speed then I would be helpless to get out of the way of a beam shot at me because of my lack of speed. If Thor can manage to move a ft before a light speed attack travels 30ft then he is a dead duck if the attack initially starts at 5ft away.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
How do you see Hulk vs Superman going then?

space is vast indeed.

it would take light what, 30 to 40 minutes to travel between jupiter to earth depending on our relative positions to the sun?

and that's just within our own little solar system.

light needs to go on a diet!
get litespeed.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
They aren't in the same universe.

So there is no canon panel showing where Thor fights Superman and is able to keep up with him.

Ergo, going by panel showings. Superman's speed feats are far superior. I love Thor, but truthfully, he only really gets consideration for being able to stand up to Superman's speed because he is a big dog at Marvel, one of the big two in comics with DC, and they are seen in the same 'tier', so when people imagine a fight in their heads they somehow try to rationalize that the fight has to be close because it just 'feels right'.

But, really, that doesn't matter. And no, the fight doesn't have to be close.

If some other obscure character had speed feats comparable to Thor, would anyone be arguing that Superman doesn't blitz the hell out of him? Superman is not going to be someone complaining that Wolverine's speed is tough to handle. Wolverine is very fast of course, supersonic-hypersonic bullet timing level easily, but there is a big gap in speed between bullet timing and Superman's level.

lol at this...based off this clark cant pretty much anyone

Based on that, Gladiator can pretty much beat anyone. Having hyperspeed, nanosecond limbs that can also move at 100 C. Pretty much unstoppable.

Is a bird in the hand worth two in the bush?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol at this...based off this clark cant pretty much anyone

Speed kills. Sorry.

You need to be comparably fast in general or have sufficient short burst reflex speed to counter it.

Or some other configuration, like say auto shields followed by sufficiently fast, sufficiently large AOE attacks.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Speed kills. Sorry.

You need to be comparably fast in general or have sufficient short burst reflex speed to counter it.

Or some other configuration, like say auto shields followed by sufficiently fast, sufficiently large AOE attacks.

so for clarity, supes could beat strange?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
so for clarity, supes could beat strange?

lol hell naw, not at his best at least.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
lol hell naw, not at his best at least.

now thats odd sweetie because based off your previous argument, supes should be able to blitz him before his auto-shields kick in...

seeing as how speed is > everything