Can Thor Respond To A Speedblitz?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
now thats odd sweetie because based off your previous argument, supes should be able to blitz him before his auto-shields kick in...

seeing as how speed is > everything

....?

I said an auto-shield/AOE attack configuration would HELP. Read the second part again. I wrote that SPECIFICALLY because I was thinking about Classic Doctor Strange. Superman upon attacking him would encounter the auto-shield, and then Strange could counter attack.

Besides this, he has cosmic-awareness. His perceptions of the universe and its laws, are in fact not on the level of an ordinary human. He has some low showings on that front, but who doesn't really.

Originally posted by carver9
Them fighting doesn't give Superman Golden Age Supes fts. Thor has clashed against both Glads and Hyperion, two beings that has fought on panel in nano seconds and has bodily funtions of moving there limbs at Hyper speed for an extended amount of time. He has also clashed against Surfer as wrll along with other speedsters. We do not share fts unless you want to give Thor the ability of performing fight scenes in nano seconds in-which I don't think he is capable of.

Wonder Woman has also tagged being like Zoom and Flash and she isn't anywhere close to their speed and I feel pretty much safe at saying that Golden Age Supes wasn't fighting main stream Supes at super speed.

Good point.

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A speed blitz from current quicksilver, sure. Quicksilver is a mach speedster and Thor can block bullets, catch tank shells casually and keep up with Wolverine, who also has some excellent supersonic to hypersonic level reactions. Basically, on par with a very high end street leveler in reflexes.

A speed blitz from someone who's thousands of times above his reaction speed, like SUPERMAN, no.

Depends on the speeds one is fighting. Thor has his high showings when it comes to speed and he has his low showings...we would basically need to find a middle ground. If he is fighting someone like Supes, I would give Superman the first 3 to 4 hits before Thor had the chance to react. If he is fighting someone like Flash, he isn't hitting Flash, even on his best day.

Thor is overall a powerful character and I wouldnt consider him a speedster or someone that combat at or close to light speed. Marvel should grant him this ability though...it would make him a flawless character.

Thor at his high end is a microsecond level reaction timer.

This is an excellent feat.

A feat that will allow Thor to only move like a slug to Superman operating at his nanoseconds or less reaction speed, vs looking like a statue, which most others would.

(1 microsecond = 1000 nanoseconds.)

I'm sorry, you cannot fight someone who's reflexes are thousands of times above yours, without a very specific, exotic power setup.

Yes he can since he have done it before. Gladiator can move his limbs at hyperspeed along with doing an entire fight scene in nano seconds and Thor kept up with him just fine during their first and only encounter.

Hyperion also have nano second speed fts and Thor has kept up with him just fine. They initially blitz him in the beginning but he always counter it. The same thing will happen with Supes...he will blitz Thor and Thor will counter it.

Neither used their nanosecond level speed against Thor.

Not to mention, truthfully, both Hyperion and Gladiator both have FAR too many lower showings of speed and reflexes than being within nanoseconds. Whereas Superman is consistently within nanoseconds.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Neither used their nanosecond level speed against Thor.

Not to mention, truthfully, both Hyperion and Gladiator both have FAR too many lower showings of speed and reflexes than being within nanoseconds. Whereas Superman is consistently within nanoseconds.

Are you implying they were holding back? Also, even though you have nano second showings doesn't mean you can consistenly fight at those levels. This isn't Flash that we are talking about.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Neither used their nanosecond level speed against Thor.

Not to mention, truthfully, both Hyperion and Gladiator both have FAR too many lower showings of speed and reflexes than being within nanoseconds. Whereas Superman is consistently within nanoseconds.

What low showings does either have? Every fight Gladiator has been in he use his speed. Gladiator have more light speed reflex showings than Supes anyways. That still doesn't take away from the fact that Thor can hit them.

A Gladiator operating at nanoseconds, would easily beat Thor, who has no nanosecond feats on his own whatsoever.

So if you want, you could say they were jobbing, or, you could realize that their nanosecond level stuff was pretty much an outlier. They are still good speedsters, especially in flight propulsion, but not fast enough in reflexes to say, dodge a wolverine stabbing their shoulder. 😉

Originally posted by CosmicComet
A Gladiator operating at nanoseconds, would easily beat Thor, who has no nanosecond feats on his own whatsoever.

So if you want, you could say they were jobbing, or, you could realize that their nanosecond level stuff was pretty much an outlier. They are still speedsters, but not fast enough to say, dodge a wolverine stabbing their shoulder. 😉

Or Batman flipping you off of an edge of a cliff during a blitz. 😄

No Herald is easily beating Thor.

A 'herald' is an arbitrarily created fan designation of tiers.

It is not official, especially not cross universe, and has no meaning in the end.

Thor cannot counter Superman's speed because his reflexes do not come close to Superman's.

It is that simple. That means, he will lose, eventually, every time to a non-PIS riddled Superman.

I just dont see it cc and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would go along with you on that one.

To a point I think he could. But if some of DC's best speedsters went all out against him I don't think he'd have time to react.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I just dont see it cc and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would go along with you on that one.

Like I said, its arguing with sentiment. I refuse to do that, no matter how much I like Thor.

And yes, there are plenty of other posters that do not cave to sentiment and go off of objective feats.

Comicvine and CBR come to mind from my limited experience reading there. Philosophia and Jellyrobes as well when talking about specific people.

If Superman and Thor started a fight, say 10 blocks away from each other, and Superman decided to use his speed for the entire fight, I don't think Thor would stand much of a chance. That's not how Superman fights though, so luckily for Thor that wouldn't happen too often. Against the Flash, Thor would have a REALLY hard time.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
If Superman and Thor started a fight, say 10 blocks away from each other, and Superman decided to use his speed for the entire fight, I don't think Thor would stand much of a chance. That's not how Superman fights though, so luckily for Thor that wouldn't happen too often. Against the Flash, Thor would have a REALLY hard time.

Again, the problem with trying to think in character for something like this is realizing that if Superman gets hit by Thor its because he literally has to be allowing him to.

Since Thor's physical offense, at best, will feel like it takes almost 20 minutes just to complete. Is Superman going to stand around for what feels like minutes just for one attack to land?

So, at best, the character argument is just a non-committal admission that Thor has no counter for the speed and his only chance of winning is not through his own merits, but with Superman allowing him the opportunity to win.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Again, the problem with trying to think in character for something like this is realizing that if Superman gets hit by Thor its because he literally has to be allowing him to.

Since Thor's physical offense, at best, will feel like it takes almost 20 minutes just to complete. Is Superman going to stand around for what feels like minutes just for one attack to land?

So, at best, the character argument is just a non-committal admission that Thor has no counter for the speed and his only chance of winning is not through his own merits, but with Superman allowing him the opportunity to win.

I'm not sure I would say he "Let him have the opportunity to win" as much as it's just not his style. It's the same thing as saying why doesn't Thor godblast the Hulk right off the bat in every fight? Or why doesn't the Hulk thunderclap immediately in every fight. It's not how they fight. I do agree with you though, that with CIS off, and Superman going as fast as he possibly can, Thor doesn't stand much of a chance at all.