Can Thor Respond To A Speedblitz?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman increases his speed accordingly? Of course I know that. In fact, I can read it in plain black-and-white right here when he's facing Shadowdragon:

Let's face it, Superman got speedblitzed and he had to fight him in another way since he was outclassed in speed:

Superman got straight up outsped by a street-leveler. Lady Shiva sonned Shadowdragon. Badly. Dude's a street. And dealing with DC lasers doesn't change that. It's a low feat by Superman, lower than getting speedblitzed by a clear high meta like Mongoose while poisoned.

But somehow you felt compelled to pretend it's not a low feat. That you can keep holding Thor's low feats against him but not Superman's. Phuck off. The ease with which you offer your excuses for Superman but condemn everything offered for Thor is nothing but straight up hypocritical garbage. You scoff at Thor effortlesly dealing with lasers and thought speed attacks without resorting to aim dodging/blocking. You jizz at DC characters dealing with lasers and thought speeds where aim dodging/blocking exists.

This hypocrisy is made even worse when you stack the Shadowdragon low feat against the Mongoose low feat. Mongoose never was destroyed by Elektra. Shadowdragon didn't use poison to slow Superman down. Yet, with your short-circuited brain, somehow you concluded that Thor somehow can't deal with speed. Backwards. As in ass backwards.

Good point, I forgot Thor was posioned long time since I read it. Oh yea there was a time Superman was having trouble dealing with Deathstroke.

Originally posted by Deadline
Good point, I forgot Thor was posioned long time since I read it. Oh yea there was a time Superman was having trouble dealing with Deathstroke.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Deathstroke surprised him with his agility, bu Kal easily caught him when serious. Thor having trouble with street levelers in speed is his norm, trying to compare it with superman's LOWEST speed showing is blatant trolling and example of butthurt.

Look man all I know is at one point he had problems, don't know about the rest.

Originally posted by Deadline
Look man all I know is at one point he had problems, don't know about the rest.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Deathstroke surprised him with his agility, bu Kal easily caught him when serious. Thor having trouble with street levelers in speed is his norm, trying to compare it with superman's LOWEST speed showing is blatant trolling and example of butthurt.

The most stubborn debating point here is:

Thor can keep up with a speedblitz because he has fought beings WHO ARE CAPABLE of fighting at very fast speeds.

This is a clear fallacy (Onedumbg0, Quanchi, etc.). The reason is simple. Thor never reacted to any speedster from up close when he/she were actually using ftl speeds. Rather, he reacted when they weren't using such speeds. Writers don't always have characters use their highest speed in comics, or speed in general. To act as if they do is asinine. Even PR would tell you that Superman don't always uses his speed when fighting. So if someone reacts to him when he's not using his speed doesn't automatically grant them the ability to respond to a speedblitz.

This fallacy creates a dangerous pandora's box. It allows ANY character to have the ability of responding to a speedblitz provided they hang with or respond to a character capable of speedblitzing. The consequences then become silly. Batman, Grundy, Hulk, etc. would instantly gain light speed to be able to deal with a ftl speed blitz just because they responded to a speedster when the speedster wasn't using full ftl speed, or any speed.

The only way to prove Thor can respond to a speedblitz is to show him well... responding to a speedblitz. An alternative, would to show Thor moving his limbs (primarily his legs and feet) and performing complex actions in the nanosecond range. Otherwise, Thor wouldn't be able to stop a speedblitz from all angles (from behind most importantly) and he wouldn't be ablet to stop one if it had initiated from 5-10ft in front of him.

Originally posted by h1a8
The most stubborn debating point here is:

Thor can keep up with a speedblitz because he has fought beings WHO ARE CAPABLE of fighting at very fast speeds.

This is a clear fallacy (Onedumbg0, Quanchi, etc.). The reason is simple. Thor never reacted to any speedster from up close when he/she were actually using ftl speeds. Rather, he reacted when they weren't using such speeds. Writers don't always have characters use their highest speed in comics, or speed in general. To act as if they do is asinine. Even PR would tell you that Superman don't always uses his speed when fighting. So if someone reacts to him when he's not using his speed doesn't automatically grant them the ability to respond to a speedblitz.

This fallacy creates a dangerous pandora's box. It allows ANY character to have the ability of responding to a speedblitz provided they hang with or respond to a character capable of speedblitzing. The consequences then become silly. Batman, Grundy, Hulk, etc. would instantly gain light speed to be able to deal with a ftl speed blitz just because they responded to a speedster when the speedster wasn't using full ftl speed, or any speed.

The only way to prove Thor can respond to a speedblitz is to show him well... responding to a speedblitz. An alternative, would to show Thor moving his limbs (primarily his legs and feet) and performing complex actions in the nanosecond range. Otherwise, Thor wouldn't be able to stop a speedblitz from all angles (from behind most importantly) and he wouldn't be ablet to stop one if it had initiated from 5-10ft in front of him.

Originally posted by h1a8
The most stubborn debating point here is:

Thor can keep up with a speedblitz because he has fought beings WHO ARE CAPABLE of fighting at very fast speeds.

This is a clear fallacy (Onedumbg0, Quanchi, etc.). The reason is simple. Thor never reacted to any speedster from up close when he/she were actually using ftl speeds. Rather, he reacted when they weren't using such speeds. Writers don't always have characters use their highest speed in comics, or speed in general. To act as if they do is asinine. Even PR would tell you that Superman don't always uses his speed when fighting. So if someone reacts to him when he's not using his speed doesn't automatically grant them the ability to respond to a speedblitz.

This fallacy creates a dangerous pandora's box. It allows ANY character to have the ability of responding to a speedblitz provided they hang with or respond to a character capable of speedblitzing. The consequences then become silly. Batman, Grundy, Hulk, etc. would instantly gain light speed to be able to deal with a ftl speed blitz just because they responded to a speedster when the speedster wasn't using full ftl speed, or any speed.

The only way to prove Thor can respond to a speedblitz is to show him well... responding to a speedblitz. An alternative, would to show Thor moving his limbs (primarily his legs and feet) and performing complex actions in the nanosecond range. Otherwise, Thor wouldn't be able to stop a speedblitz from all angles (from behind most importantly) and he wouldn't be ablet to stop one if it had initiated from 5-10ft in front of him.

prove this point, with panel feats not theories!!

YOu say more BS trying to make yourself look intelligent and acting like you know 🤨 you are talking about, but really it shows your complete ignorance, once again.

Originally posted by the Darkone
prove this point, with panel feats not theories!!

YOu say more BS trying to make yourself look intelligent and acting like you know 🤨 you are talking about, but really it shows your complete ignorance, once again.

So if a character is able to hit or respond to X that possesses ftl battle speed (even when X isn't using speed at the time) then the character automatically can respond to a ftl speed blitz?

Know the consequences of this if you say yes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You need to provide evidence of someone using a speedblitz at the speed of light. If you cannot do so then your point dies.

Huh? So you are claiming that no one in comics can speedblitz at the speed of light or faster? Gladiator and Hyperion were fighting at ftl speeds throwing punches at each other. Superman is seen moving limbs while walking around and talking between nanoseconds. This is beyond light speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
So if a character is able to hit or respond to X that possesses ftl battle speed (even when X isn't using speed at the time) then the character automatically can respond to a ftl speed blitz?

Know the consequences of this if you say yes.

Huh? So you are claiming that no one in comics can speedblitz at the speed of light or faster? Gladiator and Hyperion were fighting at ftl speeds throwing punches at each other. Superman is seen moving limbs while walking around and talking between nanoseconds. This is beyond light speed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then prove it's beyond lightspeed. You need to prove something. If you cannot then you concede.

Really Quan?

Isn't hyper speed > light speed?

Btw, I'm on mobile so I can't post evidence

Gladiator flew from one end of the Galaxy to the other within moments using hyper speed. I'm pretty sure DMILLs can post Nova crossing galaxies using the hyperspeed as well.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3697/hyperspeed9yu.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Deathstroke surprised him with his agility, bu Kal easily caught him when serious. Thor having trouble with street levelers in speed is his norm, trying to compare it with superman's LOWEST speed showing is blatant trolling and example of butthurt.

Don't be silly. You're applying an unfair (as they usually are) double standard to the situation.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator flew from one end of the Galaxy to the other within moments using hyper speed. I'm pretty sure DMILLs can post Nova crossing galaxies using the hyperspeed as well.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3697/hyperspeed9yu.jpg

Where does it say distance in that scan?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Don't be silly. You're applying an unfair (as they usually are) double standard to the situation.

Where does it say distance in that scan?

The Shiar empire is on the other side of the Galaxy. The distance isn't needed.

Originally posted by carver9
The Shiar empire is on the other side of the Galaxy. The distance isn't needed.

Bad logic and you know it.

The Shiar empire is also very large too.

So yes, unquantifiable speed feats need to be quantified to be used in debates.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Bad logic and you know it.

The Shiar empire is also very large too.

So yes, unquantifiable speed feats need to be quantified to be used in debates.

He followed a ship that was going "warp speed". That's pretty clear cut if you ask me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Deathstroke surprised him with his agility, bu Kal easily caught him when serious. Thor having trouble with street levelers in speed is his norm, trying to compare it with superman's LOWEST speed showing is blatant trolling and example of butthurt.

If Shadowdragon is street level, yeah, that's his lowest showing ever.

But I took it that SD could simply react to high end speedsters. Why not, Val Armorr did it all the time?

Maybe Shiva is a low showing for SD? Exactly how many showings does the character have?

Originally posted by carver9
He followed a ship that was going "warp speed". That's pretty clear cut if you ask me.

It's clear that he was going faster than light. That's it.

Anything else is you reaching, unless you can provide distance.

I believe Thor can react to speedsters like Mongoose, but I doubt He can react to the type of speeds Gladiator can dish out IF Gladiator is moving at a peak or taxing speed for him.

And this is the example I mentioned yesterday PR.

Thor and his group are using time dilatation to move around

While returning from an interstellar travel Gladiator catches a glimpse of shadows moving at Super speed.

Gladiator bull rushes Thor who is on time dilatation, Gladiator has to be moving at extreme speeds in order for him to be able to see Thor and his group. So basically here Gladiator had the handicap and still managed to bull rush Thor who has the advantage of time dilatation.

Here is the confirmation that Gladiator was moving at Hyper Speeds all that time.

This is why I do not believe Thor can handle a speed blitz delivered at that level of speed, with out external help

BTW, This is not canon for Gladiator anymore as this became a possible future and probably is another universe in the MU, But this is 616 Thor

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