Can Thor Respond To A Speedblitz?

Originally posted by I play triangle
Unless something happened to either increase or decrease his power level at or after the point the timeline diverged, nope, it should be the same. A good example would be the classic Xmen days of future past. Wolverine stayed Wolverine, even with Sentinels everywhere.

Yes, but he might have been stronger, or more ruthless, or more cunning, or learnt different skills etc. You can't say for certain either way, so, much as OneDumb demonstrated with me earlier in this thread, you can't just assume something.

Originally posted by I play triangle
Unless something happened to either increase or decrease his power level at or after the point the timeline diverged, nope, it should be the same. A good example would be the classic Xmen days of future past. Wolverine stayed Wolverine, even with Sentinels everywhere, because the world had taken a different path, the characters in it were still the same characters. Divergent timeline does not = Elseworld, it's not semantics, they are very different things.

See above.

Except that we don't know if something did happen during that time, which creates the problem. There are too many variables.

Just because it lost it's canonical value does it means that Gladiator cannot achieve those speeds?

Originally posted by biensalsa
Just because it lost it's canonical value does it means that Gladiator cannot achieve those speeds?

Nope; you just have to show him doing it in a canon book.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Except that we don't know if something did happen during that time, which creates the problem. There are too many variables.

I think we have to take it in the context of the story and the writers intention. The intention was for Gladiator to be Gladiator as in days of future past Wolverine was intended to be Wolverine with no extra bells and whistles. He wasn't given a different costume or different memories. He was intended to be standard Gladiator.

Originally posted by I play triangle
I think we have to take it in the context of the story and the writers intention. The intention was for Gladiator to be Gladiator as in days of future past Wolverine was intended to be Wolverine with no extra bells and whistles. He wasn't given a different costume or different memories. He was intended to be standard Gladiator.

Can you prove that was the writer's intent?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Can you prove that was the writer's intent?

Haha, I think it's pretty obvious when you use a character in a plot you are intending to use the named character. If it had been Gladiator Prime after spending 10 months in the hyperbolic time chamber, the intention would obviously have been not to use standard Gladiator.

If the timeline has diverged and the character changed drastically they are usually given a different look and name, e.g. Maestro!

Originally posted by -Pr-
Nope; you just have to show him doing it in a canon book.

But, this is not to prove Glads can achieve that speed, which it has never been my intention.

It was to show Thor dealing with extreme speeds, wouldn't that translate into people proving him dealing with something similar instead of me trying to find a canon comic of Glads at those speeds?

Originally posted by biensalsa
But, this is not to prove Glads can achieve that speed, which it has never been my intention.

It was to show Thor dealing with extreme speeds, wouldn't that translate into people proving him dealing with something similar instead of me trying to find a canon comic of Glads at those speeds?

Excellent logic!

^ That comic doesn't prove anything.

1. It was a Glads from an alternate future. We don't know what Amps he'd been through in his life.

2. The whole comic was weird and didn't make sense.

And saying it's proof Thor can't contend with extreme speeds is nonesense because:

1. He did contend with him (your assuming he wouldn't be able to without the time dialation thing)
2. He's contended with extreme speedsters before. Surfer, Hyperion, Another future Glads without Thor being exposed to Time dialation PIS.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Don't be silly. You're applying an unfair (as they usually are) double standard to the situation.

Where does it say distance in that scan?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ That comic doesn't prove anything.

1. It was a Glads from an alternate future. We don't know what Amps he'd been through in his life.

This is not to prove if Gladiator can move at those speeds or if he is amped. FACT is that He is moving at Hyper speed.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
2. The whole comic was weird and didn't make sense.

You are trying to dismiss the evidence based on a personal opinion, I read this comic in two languages and I enjoy it very much.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And saying it's proof Thor can't contend with extreme speeds is nonesense because:

1. He did contend with him (your assuming he wouldn't be able to without the time dialation thing)

Gladiator moving at hyper speed is basically having the handicap, while Thor is having a boost and Glads is tired on top of that. Now remember, there was a brief fight between Glads and Thor. Picture this. Picture Thor with out the time dilatation and picture Glads moving at that same speed and tell me with a straight face that He can react to that speed

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
2. He's contended with extreme speedsters before. Surfer, Hyperion, Another future Glads without Thor being exposed to Time dialation PIS.

And I assume those speedsters were using the full potential of their speeds?

Originally posted by I play triangle
Excellent logic!

Thanks. I hope no one comes and say "It was sarcasm, You dumb Salsa" 😄

Originally posted by biensalsa
But, this is not to prove Glads can achieve that speed, which it has never been my intention.

It was to show Thor dealing with extreme speeds, wouldn't that translate into people proving him dealing with something similar instead of me trying to find a canon comic of Glads at those speeds?

Youll have to show someone fighting at those speeds though which would be next to impossible (minus Flash).

Originally posted by biensalsa
This is not to prove if Gladiator can move at those speeds or if he is amped. FACT is that He is moving at Hyper speed.

You are trying to dismiss the evidence based on a personal opinion, I read this comic in two languages and I enjoy it very much.

Gladiator moving at hyper speed is basically having the handicap, while Thor is having a boost and Glads is tired on top of that. Now remember, there was a brief fight between Glads and Thor. Picture this. Picture Thor with out the time dilatation and picture Glads moving at that same speed and tell me with a straight face that He can react to that speed

And I assume those speedsters were using the full potential of their speeds?

No, Thor wouldn't be able to react but who could? This isn't just light speed we are talking about here.

Originally posted by carver9
No, Thor wouldn't be able to react but who could? This isn't just light speed we are talking about here.

Originally posted by carver9
No, Thor wouldn't be able to react but who could? This isn't just light speed we are talking about here.

Characters doing complex task on those speeds would.

but that is material for another thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman pushed a ship towing both earth and moon via hyperspace back in byrne days. He also matched vartox's hyperspeed and exceeded it. It was a time dilation equal to two weeks, one nanosecond is equal to a time dilation of one year and superman overcame the time dilation of a fraction of nanosecond.

I never said characters couldn't fly at hyperspeed through space. Fighting and consistently moving your limbs at those speed are completely different.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Characters doing complex task on those speeds would.

but that is material for another thread.

You have scans.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said characters couldn't fly at hyperspeed through space. Fighting and consistently moving your limbs at those speed are completely different.

Originally posted by biensalsa
This is not to prove if Gladiator can move at those speeds or if he is amped. FACT is that He is moving at Hyper speed.

FACT is you have no idea just how fast he was moving at or if your typical speedster can match that level of combat speed.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Gladiator moving at hyper speed is basically having the handicap, while Thor is having a boost and Glads is tired on top of that. Now remember, there was a brief fight between Glads and Thor. Picture this. Picture Thor with out the time dilatation and picture Glads moving at that same speed and tell me with a straight face that He can react to that speed

So basically you want me to imagine a scenario from your fantasy world where said speedster combats at his top speed or perhaps even at a speed he has never previously shown.

Whilst Thor just gives the odd hammer swing.

In your fantasy scenario, Thor will not use any of his upper tier exotic powers. He will not use Omni-Directional attacks, he will not Throw Mjolnir at Hyperspeeds to Hit his speedster opponent, he will not instantly teleport himself or his opponent all over the place.

Yeah if you ever get to write comics you can write your fantasy speedster scenario against Thor.

In the mean time don't give me your imaginary scenario as evidence.

Show me clearly where Thor was not able to contend with a speedster.

Originally posted by biensalsa
And I assume those speedsters were using the full potential of their speeds?

And Thor was using his full potential??

And yes speedsters have used their speed against Thor before and still got beaten.

When you write comics you can write your fantasy scenario of Said speedster stomping Thor because Thor just can not contend with speed.

In the mean time I'll go by what comic books have actually shown too many times to be called PIS. And that is that Thor CAN deal and HAS dealt with speedsters.