CIS LESS Dr Strange vs CIS LESS Silver Surfer

who wins ?

Strange with ease. He stops times on Surfer.

Surfer can manipulate time just as well. So I don't see Strange having better control on that front.

Surfer phases his board through Strange's auto-shields and fuses it into Strange's chest, for the win.

Magic > Power Cosmic. Strange wins.

Magic>Power Cosmic, but Surfer's personal durability>Stephen's. I'm leaning towards Strange, but it's kinda 50/50 quick draw.

While I would agree that Magic > PC because it kinda simply throws away all laws of physics and therefore should be better doesn't the power cosmic does the exact same thing, that it comes down to who is more powerful in general?

ss should be able to perform a hundred actions before strange does anything. question is would his shield hold against ss's opening attack. it might. if it does he could take ss out since ss doesn't typically use shields of his own. i'd say it's kind of a split.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer can manipulate time just as well. So I don't see Strange having better control on that front.

Surfer phases his board through Strange's auto-shields and fuses it into Strange's chest, for the win.

Sounds good except for the fact what Surfer was focused on was an illusion. Meanwhile Doc channels Agamotto for a blast koing Surfer.

Steve for the win.

Originally posted by Nihilist
who wins ?

No prep for either side?

Surfer wins with absolute ease; this is spite against Strange....

Surfer can move at superluminal velocity; he'll hit and kill Strange before he could raise shields or perform any other action (much less complete a single thought)...

Once again, this is complete spite in a forum fight; in a comicbook (which is loaded with PIS) Strange might win, but not in a PIS'less, CIS-less, forum environment...

I see cant anyone beneath a non-jobbing Watcher defeating a CIS-less Surfer convincingly...

Given his power and skill set, he's like a mini Cube Being; only limited by his imagination and the amount of matter and energy he can manipulate at once...

Edit: Scratch that; The Runner should be able to defeat a CIS-less Surfer...

You got two complete "Whatever the hell you can think of" characters in here. Problem is, one's many times faster, and one has "human" durability.

Surfer

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
No prep for either side?

Surfer wins with absolute ease; this is spite against Strange....

Surfer can move at superluminal velocity; he'll hit and kill Strange before he could raise shields or perform any other action (much less complete a single thought)...

Once again, this is complete spite in a forum fight; in a comicbook (which is loaded with PIS) Strange might win, but not in a PIS'less, CIS-less, forum environment...

Strange can stop time

Originally posted by Nihilist
With cis removed Strange would start with his auto shields and Strange has easily reacted to Surfer trying to attack him at over FTL speeds.

Why would CIS-less mean auto-shields?

No, CIS-less means he'll fight out of character and not adhere to comicbook stupidity...

Strange would need prep to start off with shields (which was not given to him in the OP)...

Sans prep, this fight is over the instant the bell rings...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
[B]Why would CIS-less mean auto-shields?

No, CIS-less means he'll fight out of character and not adhere to comicbook stupidity...

Strange would need prep to start off with shields (which was not given to him in the OP)...

Sans prep, this fight is over the instant the bell rings...

As for Strange reacting to Surfer in a comicbook, there is no PIS in a forum fight, and PIS would absolutely be required for someone moving at less than 'c' to react to something moving faster than 'c.'

Originally posted by h1a8
Strange can stop time

Strange would have to think "stop time" before he could even begin to perform the spell needed to cause it...

Strange dies long, long, before the thought process "stop time" completes itself...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
As for Strange reacting to Surfer [b]in a comicbook, there is no PIS in a forum fight, and PIS would absolutely be required for someone moving at less than 'c' to react to something moving faster than 'c.' [/B]

Originally posted by Nihilist
Because in his classic days he used to walk around with them on all the time.

Not really as shown in above post..

He may have walked around with them, but not all the time...

In addition, in the OP, there is no mention of him starting with shields...

But even if Strange starts with shields (minus CIS and PIS) the Surfer can still (quite literally) perform millions of actions before Strange can perform one...

Minus comicbook stupidity and CIS, Strange still has no prayer here...

i assumed auto-shields. if he doesn't have shields up in this type of fight strange is slaughtered before he realizes he's been slaughtered.