CIS LESS Dr Strange vs CIS LESS Silver Surfer

Strange sometimes had his auto shields on in classic. Well, I don't remember him having auto shields on at the height of his powers (been a while), but after all his artifacts got destroyed he had them on... sometimes.

Also, Strange reacted to FrankenSurfer. Not real Surfer

Originally posted by Nihilist
Look before we get into a slanging match, you do know Strange doesnt just "see" Surfer in order to react to him dont you.

Even if he doesnt have to "see" him, he still has to percieve him, form a plan of action (think up what he has to do), then actually perform the action...

Strange does not have enough time to do these things before Surfer kills him minus PIS...

Edit: had to plug in the bolded word 'not.'

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
He may have walked around with them, but not all the time...

In addition, in the OP, there is no mention of him starting with shields...

But even if Strange starts with shields (minus CIS and PIS) the Surfer can still (quite literally) perform millions of actions before Strange can perform one...

Minus comicbook stupidity and CIS, Strange still has no prayer here...

Read some Strange please, Doc has ftl feats of his own and his sheild has stood up to Galactus and Death....so its not as easy as you say.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Even if he doesnt have to "see" him, he still has to percieve him, form a plan of action (think up what he has to do), then actually perform the action...

Strange does have enough time to do these things before Surfer kills him minus PIS...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
He may have walked around with them, but not all the time...

In addition, in the OP, there is no mention of him starting with shields...

Standard Equipment doesn't need to get stated in the OP.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
If they walked around with shields the majority of time it's considered "standard equipment"

Standard Equipment doesn't need to get stated in the OP.

Perhaps, but ultimately it doesnt matter; Strange is far, far, far, too slow to do anything against Surfer...

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Strange sometimes had his auto shields on in classic. Well, I don't remember him having auto shields on at the height of his powers (been a while), but after all his artifacts got destroyed he had them on... sometimes.

Also, Strange reacted to FrankenSurfer. Not real Surfer

It was still the power cosmic.

As for auto shields, I don't see what the fuss is about. They have been shown to react at light speed.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Seriously wasting my time here, read up on Strange and his power and artifacts and how they work.

Your not wasting your time...

I'm just trying to get you to understand the "no PIS" rule in a forum fight...

PIS is required to react to something moving at the speed of light (or faster) when you are moving at less than c...

Since this no PIS rule is present, Stranges ftl feats are meaningless as Strange doesnt really have ftl reflexes or speed; its all based on massive amounts of PIS (afterall, Strange is just a normal human physically)...which is not present in this setting.

Originally posted by Sundipped
It was still the power cosmic.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Your not wasting your time...

I'm just trying to get you to understand the "no PIS" rule in a forum fight...

PIS is required to react to something moving at the speed of light (or faster) when you are moving at less than c...

Since this no PIS rule is present, Stranges ftl feats are meaningless as Strange doesnt really have ftl reflexes or speed; its all based on massive amounts of PIS (afterall, Strange is just a normal human physically)...which is not present in this setting.

Even with CIS off current Strange is not what he use to be. BUt if he is allowed BFR maybe send surfer to some terrible dimension where his powers will be drained or something. but Anyway betting on surfer.

thinking about this fight again, I say Surfer should win out. Strange's shields have reacted to a 'fast' attack from Surfer once, iirc, but that was a CIS Surfer who never pressed his numerable advantages.

Same with how Surfer lets Thor hit him or waits around to get blasted or lets mjolnir return to Thor (why not trap it in the board - it can trap Quasar, it can trap the mallet, or better yet, bfr it into a black hole?).

Here, I can see Surfer turning the air inside Strange's shields into knockout gas or even just outright exploding Strange within his shields.

The shields would not prevent Surfer from phasing or manipulating the matter within, merely prevent objects penetrating them from without.

btw, PC > Magic, imo.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Yeah im wasting my time "Strange is just a normal human" and "doesnt have any ftl reflexes or speed" and "its all PIS"

The way I see the auto-shields and their speed, is that they are an independent programme running continuously and requiring no active input from Strange. Otherwise, they would be useless.

Originally posted by janus77
[B]Strange got beat up by Hiroim, I think. hardly speaks of durability or fast reflexes.

The way I see the auto-shields and their speed, is that they are an independent programme running continuously and requiring no active input from Strange. Otherwise, they would be useless.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
No it wasn't.

Dr. Frankenstein created a duplicate of Surfer using his own pc.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Dr. Frankenstein created a duplicate of Surfer using his own pc.

Also this (same issue as the "auto shields"😉:
http://s1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/?action=view&current=DrStrangeSorcerersupre37-21.jpg
😖hifty:

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Strange calls it an ersatz version of the power cosmic. It was a weaker version

Also this (same issue as the "auto shields"😉:
http://s1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/?action=view&current=DrStrangeSorcerersupre37-21.jpg
😖hifty:

Surfer would definitely win a majority, CIS free, against Strange.

Originally posted by janus77
hmm, I think I will have to strengthen my position regarding Surfer getting past the shields.

Surfer would definitely win a majority, CIS free, against Strange.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Wait a sec you want to play on the cis part, yet Galactus and Death couldnt get past Stranges shields but that scan isnt pis.

And that's his auto shield, not his other shields (mind you those have been broken by far less than Surfer).

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
It's in the same issue that Strange's auto shields stems from (or the most common example).

And that's his auto shield, not his other shields (mind you those have been broken by far less than Surfer).