Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Aquaman is a veteran and would figure out a way to beat Superman at least some of the times solo. With Namor's assistance... who is top-tier in strength underwater... the team would likely take a majority IMO.
Originally posted by partiallyinsane
The white martians have lived their entire lives in a telepathic society. Given that fact it would be ludicrous to think that they do not have very formidable psychic defenses up at pretty much all times especially given the violent nature/culture of their race. Given that each white martian is an extremely powerful and experienced telepath as soon as Arthur began to telepathically assault the white martian it would have attempted to telepathically defend itself. If someone is giving you a seizure you are going to be putting all of the will power that you can muster into stopping that individual, of course due to the seizure one would not be able to summon as much willpower as one normally would be able to. It is the fact that the white martian was so easily defeated that made that feat so impressive. I have a theory that the reason that Arthur's tp was so effective in that situation was because it can bypass the conscious mind and go straight to the more "primitive' subconscious areas of the brain to attack in places that consciousness, and willpower, do not affect or at least have a vastly more difficult time affecting (I know certain characters such as batman have learned to partially control the rate at which their hearts beat so that is one example of consciousness affecting what is normally controlled subconsciously however there are many other important systems that are controlled by the subconscious brain that characters such as batman/superman etc. have not been shown to be able to control so those areas would be more vulnerable to attack.)That feat was shown in JLA #24 which was published in 1999. It is actually unclear whether it was ten thousand feet per second or twenty thousand feet per second. The text accompanying the art reads as follows: simulations suggest that the sea king's current power levels permit a depth to air leap of 10,000 feet per second at full range however, he'll have to travel directly up from twenty thousand feet.
In the scene Arthur is accompanied GL Kyle to the bottom of the ocean, which apparently in whatever part of the ocean they are in is located about twenty thousand feet below sea level, to check out a signal relayed from the shaggy man's containment tube that the tube is being tampered with. When they get there they find the super powered soldier warmaker one lifting the tube off of the sea floor. In order to stop Aquaman and GL from interfering the military team that is overseeing the operation mounts a microwave offensive broadcasting in a range of frequencies that disrupts human thought patterns. GL is affected and Arthur is not. GL's sub construct begins to crack because his willpower is no longer sustaining it. Aquaman, knowing that GL will be crushed by the pressure of the water around him if his ring cuts out, takes hold of Kyle and swims directly upward at either 10,000 or 20,000 feet per second. It is clear that he is swimming and not leaping from the sea floor because his feet are not touching it when he realizes Kyle is in danger.
Oh, wrong feat then.
I'm not saying Arthur isn't impressive. What I am saying is that given the kind of people Superman has resisted, it's not unlikely, imo, that Superman would resist Arthur too.
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Arthur won't beat Superman unless Superman is seriously underperforming, tbh.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Oh, wrong feat then.I'm not saying Arthur isn't impressive. What I am saying is that given the kind of people Superman has resisted, it's not unlikely, imo, that Superman would resist Arthur too.
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Arthur won't beat Superman unless Superman is seriously underperforming, tbh.
i don't think there is any way at all arthur could beat kal..... hv would be the biggest disadvantage for the team. he could literally slice through both like nothing....
Originally posted by leonidas
i don't think there is any way at all arthur could beat kal..... hv would be the biggest disadvantage for the team. he could literally slice through both like nothing....
For me, it's just that Superman is a bad matchup for Arthur. All Arthur's best qualities (telepathy, durability/strength, organism control) are just exceeded by Superman's qualities.
As for Namor, well, I guess I just don't rate him as highly as some of the others.
Originally posted by -Pr-
For me, it's just that Superman is a bad matchup for Arthur. All Arthur's best qualities (telepathy, durability/strength, organism control) are just exceeded by Superman's qualities.As for Namor, well, I guess I just don't rate him as highly as some of the others.
namor could get some shots in, and he's strong enough to make a showing for himself, but there is no way he is ko'ing someone of clark's durability. nor are he and am together imo. if clark goes all out, i don't see them having a chance. neither is close to durable enough to deal with uber hv blasts and he could literally cut right through them.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i don't know if he'd cut right through them, but yeah, it should be enough to put them down, i'd wager.
i'd say a focused beam of hv could certainly penetrate either one. namor's piercing durability isn't as great as some, and i've seen am cut by a LOT less than a focused burst of hv.
were this a comic where kal is fighting the way he would in a book, it might be close. in a forum, kal beats them 10/10 imo, and at times, handily.