Originally posted by carver9
What you are failing to realize is "Namor fighting against top tiers are average showings, not huh showings".
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Originally posted by carver9
What you are failing to realize is "Namor fighting against top tiers are average showings, not huh showings".
Originally posted by abhilegend
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So if I post Superman getting koed by ramming into the moon or getting knocked out by a possessed Superboy, "will you be ok with that"?
Originally posted by -Pr-I find it really hard to not misread 'organism control' as something much more awesome.
For me, it's just that Superman is a bad matchup for Arthur. All Arthur's best qualities (telepathy, durability/strength, organism control) are just exceeded by Superman's qualities.
Maybe it's just late.
Originally posted by carver9
Im not talking about Ironman fts with the Avengers...Im talking about his solo fts and his fights against Surfer, Thor, Hulk and numerous of others.
Fighting against someone once or twice and doing well on average are two different things. If all it took was fighting someone strong to make you jump a tier, then Superman, Thor, and Surfer would all be abstracts by now, but they aren't. Also, he isn't on any of these character's level.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Fighting against someone once or twice and doing well on average are two different things. If all it took was fighting someone strong to make you jump a tier, then Superman, Thor, and Surfer would all be abstracts by now, but they aren't. Also, he isn't on any of these character's level.
Fighting against someone "and actually doing good" is completely different than what you are saying. Namor consistently give top tier HELL. That alone speaks on how powerful the characters are.
Originally posted by carver9
So if I post Superman getting koed by ramming into the moon or getting knocked out by a possessed Superboy, "will you be ok with that"?
Originally posted by carver9
Fighting against someone "and actually doing good" is completely different than what you are saying. Namor consistently give top tier HELL. That alone speaks on how powerful the characters are.
If by hell you mean "fighting them", then a lot of street levelers give top-tiers hell too. I'm not saying that Namor's weak, I'm saying that he isn't on a level that would come close to beating people like Superman, Thor, or Surfer without them fighting like idiots. Even with Arthur.
Originally posted by Sirius77
If by hell you mean "fighting them", then a lot of street levelers give top-tiers hell too. I'm not saying that Namor's weak, I'm saying that he isn't on a level that would come close to beating people like Superman, Thor, or Surfer without them fighting like idiots. Even with Arthur.
What's the difference between beating someone and giving someone a fight?
Originally posted by carver9
What's the difference between beating someone and giving someone a fight?
Well. If you beat someone, you win. If you fight someone, you may not.
Let's put it this way, if you have an antelope vs a lion, the antelope will put up a fight, but the lion will "beat" it, if he fights like a lion and not an idiot.
If that example wasn't enough, then let's apply it to comics. Hulk gave Zeus a fight, but Zeus defeated Hulk. I use this example because it's the worse beating that I can think of right now. Do you see my point? Giving someone a fight, and actually defeating them are two completely different things.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Well. If you beat someone, you win. If you fight someone, you may not.Let's put it this way, if you have an antelope vs a lion, the antelope will put up a fight, but the lion will "beat" it, if he fights like a lion and not an idiot.
If that example wasn't enough, then let's apply it to comics. Hulk gave Zeus a fight, but Zeus defeated Hulk. I use this example because it's the worse beating that I can think of right now. Do you see my point? Giving someone a fight, and actually defeating them are two completely different things.
Hulk didn't give Zeus a fight...Hulk got stomped. Namor would give Superman a run for his money but he will not beat Superman because Superman is more powerful. That's what I am saying. I'm tired of the subject and really don't care enough about Namor to continue this debate.
Originally posted by carver9Marvel character vs Superman
Hulk didn't give Zeus a fight...Hulk got stomped. Namor would give Superman a run for his money but he will not beat Superman because Superman is more powerful. That's what I am saying. I'm tired of the subject and really don't care enough about Namor to continue this debate.
Of course you care enough to continue