Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI don't remember Savage Hulk ever knocking out Bi-Beast on his own outside of the recent Pak story. I might be missing something, but I doubt it.
You mean the headlock? I'd say he was outfought not overpowered, that suggests physical inferiority. First fight ended with a knock out too by the way:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_1982_315_22.jpgHasn't Savage Hulk beaten Bi-Beast? I'm pretty sure I remember Hulk beating him, but it was more recent.
Probably would.
He's beat him with others however. I believe it was in the 2001 Defenders series.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He was holding back the whole time, and as soon as he got serious he destroyed Bi-Beast.Thor holding back is a common theme in comics. Hyperion is the best example of how bad his attacks can vary when he does so.
Doug didn't write the most powerful Thor but it's true that even under him, there was a difference between a Thor without restraint and a regular one. IIRC, he was the one who had Air-Walker gain an edge over Thor only to be one shotted once he realized that he wasn't actually alive.
I don't think he was treating him lighting or anything (Bi-Beast was considered a rival to Hulk at the time) but he didn't cut loose until near the end and in both fights he ended it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You mean the headlock? I'd say he was outfought not overpowered, that suggests physical inferiority. First fight ended with a knock out too by the way:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_1982_315_22.jpgHasn't Savage Hulk beaten Bi-Beast? I'm pretty sure I remember Hulk beating him, but it was more recent.
Probably would.
I said it was a great showing for Thor since Savage Hulk failed at koing Bi Beast but the thing about this is...Bi Beast was a challenge for Thor and was strong enough to contend with Thor and looking at those scans, he appeared to be a tad stronger than Thor (Thor was the better fighter though).
Are you referring to the fight Savage Hulk and Bi Beast had where Namor was assisting Hulk? When did Savage Hulk drop Bi Beast because that fight even ended in a stalemate.
He would DIE from an amped Bi Beast. Thor already compared Bi Beast strength to Savage Hulk strength in those scans. Bi Beast was insanely increased during the time they grew a 100 ft tall. That Bi Beast would completely annihilate Thor.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I don't remember Savage Hulk ever knocking out Bi-Beast on his own outside of the recent Pak story. I might be missing something, but I doubt it.He's beat him with others however. I believe it was in the 2001 Defenders series.
Maybe I'm just imagining it then. Either way, no skin off my back.
Originally posted by carver9Are you kidding here? Even in the second fight, which you just referenced a post ago Thor stated he didn't have to hold back anymore if Bi-Beast is an android. Which was the second fight between the two... in a book later.
Aaaaahhhh, gotcha. Ok, Thor allowed Bi Beast to over power him twice. Thor also stated he had to fight like Savage Hulk in order to drop Bi Beast...I guess he was lying since he was holding back. Thor also stated that Bi Beast is as strong as Savage Hulk, so that would give him another reason to hold back. Gotcha.I like that type of argument. Let me do it. Hulk held back against Thor in all of their fights. Silver Surfer held back against Thor during blood and thunder. Wait, I can do better. Hulk held back against Zeus since he wasnt there to kill him. He allowed Zeus to beat on him since he is a hero. Hulk>>>Zeus.
Thanks Bieb..I'm done here.
Hell, even in the quote you just referenced Thor stated he was going to go savage on Bi-Beast and smash him repeatidly.
Jesus. It can't get anymore clear here. I don't even need to go into any detail here, seriously. Idiotic what you're trying to argue here.
Originally posted by carver9Not if he never touched Thor. Which is why Hulk beat him, because he never let Bi-Beast lay a paw on him.
He would DIE from an amped Bi Beast. Thor already compared Bi Beast strength to Savage Hulk strength in those scans. Bi Beast was insanely increased during the time they grew a 100 ft tall. That Bi Beast would completely annihilate Thor.
It also looks like Rage is going to have to post the amped Ulik fight too... (don't have it in photobucket)
This is the Ulik fight I mentioned before:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik70.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik71.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik72.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik73.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik74.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik75.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik76.jpg
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Are you kidding here? Even in the second fight, which you just referenced a post ago Thor stated he didn't have to hold back anymore if Bi-Beast is an android. Which was the second fight between the two... in a book later.Hell, even in the quote you just referenced Thor stated he was going to go savage on Bi-Beast and smash him repeatidly.
Jesus. It can't get anymore clear here. I don't even need to go into any detail here, seriously. Idiotic what you're trying to argue here.
That doesn't mean Thor allowed himself to get overpowered like that...that meant Thor didn't have to worry about pulling his punches.
The second fight...Bi Beast got worked by both, Ironman and Thor...good showing for both.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Not if he never touched Thor. Which is why Hulk beat him, because he never let Bi-Beast lay a paw on him.It also looks like Rage is going to have to post the amped Ulik fight too... (don't have it in photobucket)
Just like Thor didn't let current 100 ft tall Mangog lay a paw on him...my bad, that didnt happen. Hulk clearly overpowered both and sent both of them flying out of orbit.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is the Ulik fight I mentioned before:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik70.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik71.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik72.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik73.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik74.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik75.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik76.jpg
Post that Mangog fight.
Originally posted by carver9
I said it was a great showing for Thor since Savage Hulk failed at koing Bi Beast but the thing about this is...Bi Beast was a challenge for Thor and was strong enough to contend with Thor and looking at those scans, he appeared to be a tad stronger than Thor (Thor was the better fighter though).Are you referring to the fight Savage Hulk and Bi Beast had where Namor was assisting Hulk? When did Savage Hulk drop Bi Beast because that fight even ended in a stalemate.
He would DIE from an amped Bi Beast. Thor already compared Bi Beast strength to Savage Hulk strength in those scans. Bi Beast was insanely increased during the time they grew a 100 ft tall. That Bi Beast would completely annihilate Thor.
Bi-Beast outfighting Thor briefly after the guards interfered isn't evidence of strength superiority. Especially since he had a tendency to show a lot of restraint.
Really? Then it must just be my imagination.
You're exaggerating, Thor can most definitely succeed against that Bi-Beast, especially if uses his head like Hulk did. One large lightning bolt would probably be all he needs.
Originally posted by carver9Overpowered? Because Thor was fighting like an idiot. Who cares about overpowered when Thor can drop him in 1-2 hits?
That doesn't mean Thor allowed himself to get overpowered like that...that meant Thor didn't have to worry about pulling his punches.The second fight...Bi Beast got worked by both, Ironman and Thor...good showing for both.
Thor was holding back his hits, which is why he got put into that position. Had he not been holding back the whole time, the fight would have been over in a page and Bi-Beast wouldn't have landed a hit.
It's not the first time Thor's been knocked around by someone he can annihilate. Doesn't prove much.
Originally posted by carver9
Post that Mangog fight.
Here you go:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated7.jpg
Another great example of Thor cutting loose.
Originally posted by carver9I want to see this fight against a 100 foot tall Mangog.
Just like Thor didn't let current 100 ft tall Mangog lay a paw on him...my bad, that didnt happen. Hulk clearly overpowered both and sent both of them flying out of orbit.
The same Mangog, who at 10-12 feet had the reflexes to swat Mjolnir away when it's thrown at his back.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I want to see this fight against a 100 foot tall Mangog.The same Mangog, who at 10-12 feet had the reflexes to swat Mjolnir away when it's thrown at his back.
Mangog's actually surprisingly fast. At one point when he was beating on Thor, his punches were so fast that even the Recorder lost track.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bi-Beast outfighting Thor briefly after the guards interfered isn't evidence of strength superiority. Especially since he had a tendency to show a lot of restraint.Really? Then it must just be my imagination.
You're exaggerating, Thor can most definitely succeed against that Bi-Beast, especially if uses his head like Hulk did. One large lightning bolt would probably be all he needs.
Thor was already in a choke hold before the guards even showed up.
I know Thor can beat Bi Beast but in a contest of strength, Bi Beast appeared stronger.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Overpowered? Because Thor was fighting like an idiot. Who cares about overpowered when Thor can drop him in 1-2 hits?Thor was holding back his hits, which is why he got put into that position. Had he not been holding back the whole time, the fight would have been over in a page and Bi-Beast wouldn't have landed a hit.
It's not the first time Thor's been knocked around by someone he can annihilate. Doesn't prove much.
This scan doesnt make it appear as if it was 1 or 2 hits...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_1982_315_22.jpg
The rest of the fight happened off panel.
So Thor is currently "letting" an eternal beat the hell out of him? Is this what you are telling me?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Here you go:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated7.jpgAnother great example of Thor cutting loose.
I'm not talking about this fight...I'm talking about the fight where Wolverine stabbed Mangog in the arm. You know what fight I am talking about.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor was already in a choke hold before the guards even showed up.I know Thor can beat Bi Beast bit in a contest of strength, Bi Beast appeared stronger.
Fair enough, they just entered the room.
I won't really argue if you think Bi-Beast came out looking stronger for the majority of the first fight but he was promptly but down when Thor cut loose. I'd wager, even without Mjolnir he would have gained the advantage in the end, Thor loves his comebacks.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not talking about this fight...I'm talking about the fight where Wolverine stabbed Mangog in the arm. You know what fight I am talking about.
Oh, you're not talking about Thor holding back. Here you go:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_07.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_08.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_09.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_10.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_11.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_12.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_13.jpg
I'm not really sure what this -poorly written- fight is supposed to prove.
