Originally posted by NemeBro
Exactly.You can't quantify it. It can't be used in a debate because it is completely unquantifiable.
Originally posted by abhilegend
People also like to dismiss superman's feats. For how many years people pretended that T-vo doesn't exist or anytime superman does something good, its because he is the flagship character of DC? I'm not saying you did it but we have someone in this very thread who likes to dismiss this feat despite Kal doing it twice. You think I give a damn about what anybody thinks about me on an internet forum? Of course you wouldn't take it literally, but you are entitled to your opinion and I'm to mine opinion. Who's correct according to on-panel proof though? Its certainly not you.
ermm
Are you sure you replied to the right post?
What does any of that have to do with what I was discussing?
You feel like other posters are lowballing Clark? I'm sorry you feel that way I guess but I don't think I've shown any interest in that particular tangent.
I think I've said all I need to on the original topic, when you're done.....complaining (?) and feel like having any other discussions, I'm down.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Blah, blah, blah. Personal attacks are useless. Wasn't it you who said that every time superman beats lobo its PIS, despite it having occurred multiple times? You can scream till you're blue in the face but untill a mod declares its not usable, its perfectly usable to compare feats. Who's cornered here, me or you who has now come down to personal attacks? H1a8 and starscream also argues that superman beats thor due to speed, does that mean I would agree with them on anything and everything?
What's useless is your incessant fallacy related whining. I'm pointing out flaws in your posting style, again,your fallacy usages which basically amounts to going off on some tangent that 'everyone dislikes Superman and his feats'. Stop it. Especially when you direct unwittingly at someone who loves Superman. Listen, you aren't particular bright, so I'll tell you again, I'm talking about quantifiable feats here. This has nothing to do with Superman having some feat over anyone else. Seeing as he's not the only one to have unquantifiable feats of this magnitude ever so thinly sprinkled about in his history anyway, which was my point; they're useless for debates and never manifest themselves realistically/demonstrate the implications that come with them. Focus on quantifiable feats whenever possible.
Yes, you are the cornered one. Since you have no argument for the feats viability other than saying I'm not a mod therefore I can't argue against it. That's a cop out attempt to appeal to some guideline. Address the damn argument.
The feat is unapplicable and within a cooky realm with undefinable laws and circumstances, and Superman demonstrates strength limitations within the same arc after all therefore at face value is a blatant contradiction. And what compounds the issue more is, once again, the implications of the feat if taken at face value (which you are trying to do, therefore you can't pick and choose what you want it to mean and not mean.) e.g. if Superman can lift infinite weight, he can punch with infinite force.
And I have no idea if I ever said that or not. Lobo at his best is definitely above Superman though. Seeing as Lobo at his best is a cartoon character that can beat up the actual authors. 🙂
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
ermmAre you sure you replied to the right post?
What does any of that have to do with what I was discussing?
You feel like other posters are lowballing Clark? I'm sorry you feel that way I guess but I don't think I've shown any interest in that particular tangent.
I think I've said all I need to on the original topic, when you're done.....complaining (?) and feel like having any other discussions, I'm down.
Originally posted by iceman24567Its the same genius when force of any kind is used to contain something being it strength, forcefield or energy field. It takes a counter force. The same as sue richards holding something in her forcefield or hulk holding it in its hand if its small like the black hole superman was holding. People were straining using strength or either some form of containment method causing stress on their body genius
Its not the same genius 😬
Originally posted by CosmicComet
What's useless is your incessant fallacy related whining. I'm pointing out flaws in your posting style, again,your fallacy usages which basically amounts to going off on some tangent that 'everyone dislikes Superman and his feats'. Stop it. Especially when you direct unwittingly at someone who loves Superman. Listen, you aren't particular bright, so I'll tell you again, I'm talking about quantifiable feats here. This has nothing to do with Superman having some feat over anyone else. Seeing as he's not the only one to have unquantifiable feats of this magnitude ever so thinly sprinkled about in his history anyway, which was my point; they're useless for debates and never manifest themselves realistically/demonstrate the implications that come with them. Focus on quantifiable feats whenever possible.Yes, you are the cornered one. Since you have no argument for the feats viability other than saying I'm not a mod therefore I can't argue against it. That's a cop out attempt to appeal to some guideline. Address the damn argument.
The feat is unapplicable and within a cooky realm with undefinable laws and circumstances, and Superman demonstrates strength limitations within the same arc after all therefore at face value is a blatant contradiction. And what compounds the issue more is, once again, the implications of the feat if taken at face value (which you are trying to do, therefore you can't pick and choose what you want it to mean and not mean.) e.g. if Superman can lift infinite weight, he can punch with infinite force.
And I have no idea if I ever said that or not. Lobo at his best is definitely above Superman though. Seeing as Lobo at his best is a cartoon character that can beat up the actual authors. 🙂
Originally posted by abhilegend
People also like to dismiss superman's feats. For how many years people pretended that T-vo doesn't exist...
He only used it a few times..
And I think the main objection was to posters that claimed T-vo would let him beat high level cosmics (Ever hear of a guy named RC? He's over at Alvaro's message board, and interviewed several writers including Joe Casey and Dan Jurgens, and honestly believed T-vo = win over Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet.. And he's not the only poster I've seen bring up T-vo as some be all, end all ultimate attack.)
Having read the Dominus storyline myself, T-vo isn't some kind of "Astral Plane" like zone where everything gets equalized, it's merely a technique that puts his mind into the theta state, similar to the state of the brain when you dream. This negated Dominus dipping into his head to alter reality...
Basically, there's no reason to believe the theta state is useful against anyone but Dominus's specific power set...
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman, if only just. It's not by any kind of noticeable or massive degree, certainly not anywhere close to being x50 - x1000 stronger than Thor. I lol'd good about that by the way.
Originally posted by abhilegend
^I didn't know that it was that extreme, can you give me a link. I loathe fanboys of any character. Not true, kal has used it against eradicator and adversary sucessfully.
The RC one is pretty old now, but I'll try and dig it up.
Do you know when abouts he used it those other times, and how he used it? From the original description in the Dominus arc, the Theta state of mind is supposed to increase a Kryptonians combat effectiveness (Sort of like a warrior madness, maybe?). and just happened to come in handy against Dominus's mind reading..
Originally posted by carver9nope. infinite weight is infinite weight. so regardless of how much it's divided it's still going to be infinite. Though definitively saying the book has infinite weight is wrong as well because infinity is a concept not an actual number.
So with that said, you agree Ultraman is stronger than Superman?
Oh btw I think this thread is relatively moot due to DC's acceptance of stupidly high end feats. If there was a throwdown feat for feat matchup between thor and supes, supes is going to win just because DC has the tendency to ignore character limitations as a matter of convenience for the story. Personally I think that's one of the things Marvel does better in that their characters tend to have their strengths and weaknesses and power creep is relatively slow and consistent with their levels bouncing up and down all over the place.
in mathematics and science, there are such things as scales of infinity. the subset of numbers between 1 and 2=infinite. the set of ALL numbers is also infinite, but the set of all numbers>subset of numbers between 1 and 2 because it includes that subset.
infinities are not viewed equally. just sayin.
Originally posted by cdtm
The RC one is pretty old now, but I'll try and dig it up.Do you know when abouts he used it those other times, and how he used it? From the original description in the Dominus arc, the Theta state of mind is supposed to increase a Kryptonians combat effectiveness (Sort of like a warrior madness, maybe?). and just happened to come in handy against Dominus's mind reading..
Originally posted by Avlon
Superman uses Torquasm VO (T-VO) AND Torquasm Rao on the fly to dissolve an endless supply of magical/psychic/ and physical Adversary clones.
Originally posted by Avlon
Uses T-vo to absorb a blow that knocks him from the US to China while leaving himself completely defenseless otherwise.
Eradicator has also used it, lois has used Tarquasm-rao etc. Check out eradicator respect thread. Re-read KOTW before making new theories.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman needed help...Ultraman did it with ease.
Superman didn't need the Help, he even didn't really struggle, CM struggled however. Superman is a good guy and if you have to accomplish something as impossible as this, you don't play the arrogant attention whore but take everything that is available to help you. Ultraman seemed to struggle more btw. Anyway, a moot point as Kal beats his ass^^ and this Kal isn't there anymore^^.
