Re: Whos overall more powerful? Thor or Surfer?
Durability - Thor
Energy output (minus God Blast) - In fights, Thor, because he can multiply attacks against him back at his opponent. Without that, and minus God Blast, Surfer.
Strength - Thor
Speed - Surfer
Versatility - Oh dear. Tie. I'm slightly Thor biased, so maybe Surfer.
Combat effectiveness - This is the most speculative. I go with Thor. Arguments for Surfer are pretty much equally as valid though.
Who's overall more powerful? They're peers mostly, but if I had to pick between the two, I'd give it to Thor.
Durability - Surfer should be more invulnerable (Thor's gone up in this category so the gap is no longer as big) but the Odinson's tougher and ultimately can take a punch/energy blast just as well. Sometimes better, at least with Mjolnir.
Energy output (minus God Blast) - Standards blasts, split or maybe Surfer. Those big high end energies that Thor/Mjolnir can pull out pack more of a punch though. Mjolnir's insane energy absorption also gives it an edge.
Strength - Thor.
Speed - Surfer. He definitely has the faster flight speed feats as well but I'd bet on Mjolnir keeping pace with him.
Versatility - Closer than most would suspect but Surfer. Based on their overall history, he does the exotic more often. Wouldn't put it past Mjolnir to replicate anything the Power Cosmic can do though.
Combat effectiveness - Harder to evaluate something like this but due to personal preference and his wider comfort zone, I'm picking Thor.
Re: Whos overall more powerful? Thor or Surfer?
Originally posted by carver9
Who is overall more powerful...Durability
Energy output (minus God Blast)
Strength
Speed
Versatility
Combat effectiveness
Durability-Surfer
Energy output (minus Godblast)- Surfer, with Godblast then Thor
Strength-Thor
Speed- Surfer
Versatility- Surfer
Combat effectiveness- difficult to evaluate and pretty subjective id say. Surfer id say can pull more tricks and unique attacks outta the bag...but on the other hand he is more of a pacifist. Thor is a legit warrior but he does tend to go into brawl mode alot. Hence id say they are even.
Overall they are peers with different advantages over each other which makes the question of who is more powerful come down to playing favorites, though if you gave me Surfers powerset..and gave rage Thors powerset.....Rage would be dead before he could even shout...."for Odin".heh
Re: Whos overall more powerful? Thor or Surfer?
Originally posted by carver9
Who is overall more powerful...Durability
Energy output (minus God Blast)
Strength
Speed
Versatility
Combat effectiveness
Durability - Small edge to Thor
Energy output (minus God Blast) - Surfer: It's what he does
Strength - Thor
Speed - Big edge to Surfer
Versatility - Surfer: he can do pretty much anything. Also, he got something over Thor: he can see both in past and in the future, and do high speed calculating
Combat effectiveness: Small edge to Thor. Surfer showed, IMO, that he can beat the shit out of an opponent with more ways that Thor, but too often he fights like a retard. Thor too, but he usually wins. So it goes to Thor.
Re: Whos overall more powerful? Thor or Surfer?
Good topic!
Durability - Surfer
Surfer can tank black holes and being in the heart of stars etc etc, he's also tanked Hulk's punches, which regularly injure Thor.
Energy output (minus God Blast) - Surfer
He blasts a lot but, never with much conviction or intent, yet when a by-product of one of his blasts is a blackhole that even Thanos wants to avoid falling into, it suggests some insane power-output. That and the staggering feat of evolving a whole planet billions of years, make Surfer a clear winner with or without the GB. Also, his casual obliteration of a planet is pretty fierce.
Strength - Thor
Not too sure about this one because Surfer rarely gets into a fist-fight or any sort of physical fight but, comparing both against Hulk (the benchmark for strength) I'd say Surfer did better by some margin. Then again, compare how Thanos twatted Surfer and how Thor holds up against him ...
Overall, I think Surfer's mentality makes him a less formidable foe in physical encounters so, ultimately Thor's more likely to demonstrate higher strength.
Speed - Surfer by a huge margin
There's really no need to explain here, is there? thousands of lightyears in a second, surfing the cosmos and mapping the universe ... Surfer is clearly orders of magnitude faster than Thor.
Versatility - Surfer by a margin
Everything Thor can do, Surfer can replicate (either in effect or in form), from controlling the weather to banishing people to other dimensions, from astral attacks to physical attacks and more.
On top of all this, Surfer has the hyperverse, the microverse, power duplication, genetic manipulation, TP, TK ... he can also travel in time and he can be "everywhere" within the planet (even a snowflake)... So Surfer wins by a margin.
Combat effectiveness - draw
This depends entirely on the type of opposition they face. Against Hulk, Surfer would be far far far more effective. Against Thanos, CIS and PIS would never permit Surfer to mount an effective offensive whatsoever.
Against an armada of ships encircling a planet, Surfer would easily be the better man to deploy as he can instantly knock them out of commission through a variety of attacks.
Against high-end celestials, Surfer has good showings against T&A whilst Thor's got his showing against Glory.
Against mid-market celestials (I'm guessing we still accept that Watchers >> Skyfathers), Surfer has a victory and has been shown to be more than capable so I'd give him the nod there.
... Anyway, I'm sure Thor has his share too... so I say draw.
Summary:
Durability: Surfer
Energy Output: Surfer
Strength: Thor
Speed: Surfer
Versatility: Surfer
Combat Effectiveness: draw
I definitely see things differently than a lot of you.
But, the funny thing is that everybody still seems split don the middle.
Durability- Surfer
Energy output (minus God Blast)- Surfer
Strength- Thor is definitely the more "physical" character.
Speed- Thor I think being able to open a portal to anyplace he wants is above the speed Surfer can travel.
Versatility- Thor.
It seems he is constantly using some new power or skill.
Thor has been shown to manipulate both Magic and Natural energies, where Surfer has not.
Thor also remains active in the physical universe while also completely at home in alternate dimensions, Hells, etc.
He seems to be able to do whatever it is he wants to do at any given moment, or whatever the situation needs at the time.
Combat effectiveness- Thor is obviously the more militaristic of the two and utilizes all his powers and strengths with a warriors mindset.
Thor all the way. The only category that Surfer wins is versatility and that's only because he can phase and heal and stuff.
In terms of raw energy output, strength, durability, speed and combat effectiveness it's not even close. Look at who Thor has gone up against and even if he didn't beat them he harmed/damaged them : Exitar, Glory, Galactus, the Celestials. He's withstood brutal punishment without being KOed (example vs the Celestials where he withstood MULTIPLE blasts and still wasn't knocked unconscious).
The Surfer is not in Thor's league. The Surfer is Tier A, Thor is Tier S.
Durability - I think Thor has higher showings but also lower showings than surfer. But I think surfer is more durable but thor is tougher but physically not as durable.
Energy output (minus God Blast) - Surfer
Strength - Thor, pound for pound would out muscle Surfer on most days.
Speed - Surfer, travels and imo thinks faster.
Versatility - Surfer, can do just as much combat related stuff as thor and then some but also has a bunch of other cool abilities.
Combat effectiveness - The combo of physical ability and tactical use of his exotic moves makes for better combat effectiveness. If surfer was a bit more battle hungry or a touch more ruthless i would give it to Surfer.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Heh..if you even took the fight you would find out that the dials on Zenn laa dont stop at 11 homie 😎
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Carver strikes again! How do you manage to repeatedly make the same thread with slightly different phrasing and still get a myriad of responses? I must know the answer to this.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Surfer has more powers, Thor is more powerful imo.
This is true.
In a heads up battle Thor wins
In a prep battle... Surfer has te brains and powerset to find a way to neutralize Thor if he really went rogue (like exiles surfer vs gladiator). Though it would never happen that way
