Re: Whos overall more powerful? Thor or Surfer?
Originally posted by carver9
Who is overall more powerful...Durability
Energy output (minus God Blast)
Strength
Speed
Versatility
Combat effectiveness
Durability=Tie (Surfer has feats were he survived being separated into pieces)
Energy output=Surfer (planet destroying anyone)
Strength=Thor but Surfer can amp and has feats that Thor can't do normally (ko Bill with a punch)
Speed=Surfer
Versatility=Surfer
Combat effectiveness=What does this mean?
These categories don't weigh the same and thus even if Thor wins more categories doesn't mean he is more powerful. Speed is the greatest category of them all. That alone makes Surfer more powerful. With that said
WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF 'MORE POWERFUL'?
Durability: Surfer is probably more resistant to harm but Thor's threshold let's him tank attacks above what Surfer can normally handle. But I'll split this category.
Energy Output: Thor: You need a reason see Glory, Galactus, Exitar, Also see him being able to contain a bomb that was going to destroy 1/5th the universe if that doesn't take a ton of energy output I don't know what does.
Strength: Thor, I don't think this one is up for debate. Norin is not weak by any means, but Thor is his better physically
Speed: Travel speed I would say is fairly split, Thinking/Reaction speed Surfer
Versatility: There's definitely no doubt Surfer has more tricks in the bag then Thor does, but Thor is also no slouch and his hammer also gives him the versatility to pretty much deal with just about any situation you can find yourself in.
Combat Effectiveness: Thor hands down, and it has nothing to do with PIS/CIS
What it does come down to is this, besides speed Thor is tops or near tops in just about every category.
There is not a front Thor can not fight on and hold his own,
Whether it is a brawl, energy swapping match, versatility match-up he can compete and beat just about everyone in these categories.
What does this mean, it means that even if Thor can not take a certain person in one area he has such a slew of other options and ways he can take a match and fight, and not too many ways someone is going to trump him and exploit an area to beat him.
Add Magic which is something that gives most people fits, and the fact he is also a very good warrior.
I think its safe to say that in a combat situation Thor is better cause he is overall just equipped for different things.
The one thing that keeps the field kind of level against him is the fact that out of the most powerful herald level types he is also one of the slowest
Re: Whos overall more powerful? Thor or Surfer?
Originally posted by carver9
Who is overall more powerful...Durability
Energy output (minus God Blast)
Strength
Speed
Versatility
Combat effectiveness
Durability: almost a tie, maybe Surfer but Thor has more damage soak.
Energy output: Surfer (minus god blast).
Strength: Thor but the gap is tiny.
Speed: Surfer
Versatility: Surfer. Thor can't turn into snow. But the gap isn't that big either.
Combat effectiveness: Thor, only because he fights like a warrior, while Surfer fights like a pacifist.
I don't think Thor's more powerful, I just think that he uses his powers more aggressively in fights compared to Surfer who's always a pacifist, so it gives that illusion. If Surfer acted more aggressively he'd look just as powerful or more, but instead he acts like some sort of space faring silver Dalai Lama whenever he fights.
Originally posted by h1a8Your posts are fascinating and often spit in the face of common sense and logic.
Durability=Tie (Surfer has feats were he survived being separated into pieces)
Energy output=Surfer (planet destroying anyone)
Strength=Thor but Surfer can amp and has feats that Thor can't do normally (ko Bill with a punch)
Speed=Surfer
Versatility=Surfer
Combat effectiveness=What does this mean?These categories don't weigh the same and thus even if Thor wins more categories doesn't mean he is more powerful. Speed is the greatest category of them all. That alone makes Surfer more powerful. With that said
WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF '[B]MORE POWERFUL
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Originally posted by zopzop
Thor all the way. The only category that Surfer wins is versatility and that's only because he can phase and heal and stuff.In terms of raw energy output, strength, durability, speed and combat effectiveness it's not even close. Look at who Thor has gone up against and even if he didn't beat them he harmed/damaged them : Exitar, Glory, Galactus, the Celestials. He's withstood brutal punishment without being KOed (example vs the Celestials where he withstood MULTIPLE blasts and still wasn't knocked unconscious).
The Surfer is not in Thor's league. The Surfer is Tier A, Thor is Tier S.
It's not April Fools day yet buddy!!
Thor's more ferocious, but he's not more powerful. Surfer's a reluctant combatant whereas Thor revels in it, so he appears more formidable. I'd say they're about even in the actual power level department, with each having certain tactical advantages/disadvantages (like Surfer's inherrent versatility vs. Thor's dependence on Mjolnir. Thor's warrior mentality vs. Surfer's pacifist existentialism. Etc.).
It's like comparing an orange to a seedless orange.
Well the way I see it, we have to take into account the fact that surfer is a pacifist. It changes things a lot. As much as Thor may hold back, surfer holds back even more. Thor is far more likely to be going for broke in fights so because of that, his high end showings are a bit better than surfer's. They're pretty muh equals IMO.