Whos overall more powerful? Thor or Surfer?

I gotta disagree. Surfer has operated above Thor's level in speed and vise versa in regards to strength. I guess if we do the math (IIRC someone said Surfer should be thousands of times faster than Thor or something of the sort) then you're right but then again, I never really gave a shit about stuff like that.

I'd like to point out that all the writers in question who have written their battles know that Surfer is extremely fast (One of them gave Surfer arguably his best speed feat ever) and have him for the most part giving it his best. Even while resorting to hit and run tactics he failed during Blood and Thunder.

Not really sure why it's so hard to believe that Thor has fast reflexes. True he has his low showings (Lower than most on this level) but his always hanged with boys on his level unless there was something that gave his opponents the edge. Call them outliers if you want (It'd be fair I guess) but he steps up when shit is on the line, he always has. Like I said earlier, there needs to be a caption describing Surfer as moving at x1242953950073^1000 light speed as Thor bashes him in the face, that will probably satisfy most.

^A caption would settle everything.

I firmly believe Thor should be fast, simply based on the fact that he is extremely strong for his weight. In reality, you can't be fast without being strong, that's for sure.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I gotta disagree. Surfer has operated above Thor's level in speed and vise versa in regards to strength. I guess if we do the math (IIRC someone said Surfer should be thousands of times faster than Thor or something of the sort) then you're right but then again, I never really gave a shit about stuff like that.

I'd like to point out that all the writers in question who have written their battles know that Surfer is extremely fast (One of them gave Surfer arguably his best speed feat ever) and have him for the most part giving it his best. Even while resorting to hit and run tactics he failed during Blood and Thunder.

Not really sure why it's so hard to believe that Thor has fast reflexes. True he has his low showings (Lower than most on this level) but his always hanged with boys on his level unless there was something that gave his opponents the edge. Call them outliers if you want (It'd be fair I guess) but he steps up when shit is on the line, he always has. Like I said earlier, there needs to be a caption describing Surfer as moving at x1242953950073^1000 light speed as Thor bashes him in the face, that will probably satisfy most.

Well i was talking in a strictly mathematical sense regarding between Surfer and thors speed and Surfer and Thors strength. I know that thor has fast reflexes, but i think its pretty obvious that Surfer was not moving at a gajillion times light speed when he fought Thor, nor do i expect him to though in a forum battle.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Well i was talking in a strictly mathematical sense regarding between Surfer and thors speed and Surfer and Thors strength. I know that thor has fast reflexes, but i think its pretty obvious that Surfer was not moving at a gajillion times light speed when he fought Thor, nor do i expect him to though in a forum battle.

Stop being such a nerd (I know, the irony).

True, an excessive figure -that was the intent- but I'd have a lot of fun with it so that's enough grounds for it to happen. Look at it this way, next time Thor beats up Norrin, he won't look as bad.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I like how you were too incompetent to think of an actual response to him, and took to backing out with boastful insults. 🙂

Incompetent?
His arguments are. Superman punched someone through an object and this has billions of tons of strength
Speed wins all things

And when you argue why the logic behind it is bad he says it's not the logic it's the science that's faulty.
And what the hell is science, the logical conclusion to a series of tested hypothesis for which the answer has been shown to logically be the same or similar..

And yet when superman struggles with certain much much lighter than billions of tons items... It's illogical.

Btw he called me slow first when he failed his argument
So nice try.

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer is a blaster and not much of a h2h fighter. At his best he zooms around like a fly blasting up some sh!t.

This makes him more dangerous. It is easy to hit a 60mph fastball coming at you from 50 feet away but it is even harder to hit a fly buzzing around you at 5mph. Now imagine Surfer buzzing around at light speeds and beyond.

But...

Once I broke 150 mph on my bike.
But, I can't fight at that speed.

Then...

If we are using "Travel Speed" as a potential speed feat, why can't we throw Thor's teleportation into that bin?

Originally posted by Horrificus
OK. I agree with what you said.

But...

Once I broke 150 mph on my bike.
But, I can't fight at that speed.

Then...

If we are using "Travel Speed" as a potential speed feat, why can't we throw Thor's teleportation into that bin?

Originally posted by rotiart
Thor doesn't use teleportation quickly... Like cable dead pool blink...
His is more like gateway... He swirls his hammer for a minute or so the disappears... It's not instantaneous so it's combat effective is rather limited as you could see him preparing for it a mile away and he doesn't do anything else while teleporting leaving him an open duck.

He just recently had a feat where he teleported a group of opponents so fast that they didn't even register what happened at first. No spinning required.

^that was a badass feat.

Badass ft. Thor is a monster.

Thor is more powerful while Surfer is more versatile.

Originally posted by dmills
He just recently had a feat where he teleported a group of opponents so fast that they didn't even register what happened at first. No spinning required.

There you go:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Avengersannual014.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Avengersannual015.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Avengersannual016.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Avengersannual017.jpg

It's not the first time Thor has teleported with just a bolt of lightning or without spinning his hammer etc. It's how he usually goes about it but it's not a must. Once he even had Mjolnir teleport from his hand into another dimension and then return after a specific time automatically.

And yea, this was pretty badass.

Originally posted by rotiart
Thor doesn't use teleportation quickly... Like cable dead pool blink...
His is more like gateway... He swirls his hammer for a minute or so the disappears... It's not instantaneous so it's combat effective is rather limited as you could see him preparing for it a mile away and he doesn't do anything else while teleporting leaving him an open duck.

Missed this post. Thor usually teleports by spinning his hammer but it's not a must, teleportation is something it can do independently and it happens pretty quickly. Though I don't think Thor will really do much with it tactically in combat.

The one time I can think of something like that happening would be Dargo using it against Korvac:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsKorvac5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsKorvac6.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsKorvac7.jpg

He could use it for battle field removal but I think his better off just using a beam of energy or something.

^^^ So much for "spinning the hammer for a few minutes".

Originally posted by dmills
^^^ So much for "spinning the hammer for a few minutes".

😖hifty:

Has that ever actually been in doubt? If he wants, he can battle field remove Superman pretty easily truth be told, it's just not a tactic he's fond of.

Originally posted by dmills
^^^ So much for "spinning the hammer for a few minutes".

Few minutes, what the f*ck? That's nonsense. He once opened up a portal slowly during Busiek's run but that's purely because he was on a team that the writer doesn't want him doing everything for. His teleportation time often ranges in the seconds and that's with spinning portals alone.

He instantly banished Cap and Iron Man from Asgard during Ragnarok as well.

People seem to think he needs to charge up Mjolnir for his most powerful strikes, throws, lightning blasts, or to teleport, but really, he doesn't need to. It's often done for more artistic flavor, especially if he's giving one of his old school speeches.

I guess you can say seconds but whenever I see a scan of someone spinning the hammer I say it takes more than a few seconds.

And honestly the teleportation I think of as combat is like sliding and and out of space without usin a motion that someone registers so they know you are coming and going.

A Thor "bamfing" around intent on killing everyone like night crawler but without a range of distance would be fairly unstoppable to most of the herald range when you consider everything else Thor is packing

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He instantly banished Cap and Iron Man from Asgard during Ragnarok as well.

People seem to think he needs to charge up Mjolnir for his most powerful strikes, throws, lightning blasts, or to teleport, but really, he doesn't need to. It's often done for more artistic flavor, especially if he's giving one of his old school speeches.

Yea, people seem to confuse Thor's regal way of talking and flair for the dramatic for some kind of activation period.

He may spend an entire page making a speech while he opens a portal and do it in an instant in another scene. Really depends on the situation.

Originally posted by rotiart
I guess you can say seconds but whenever I see a scan of someone spinning the hammer I say it takes more than a few seconds.

And honestly the teleportation I think of as combat is like sliding and and out of space without usin a motion that someone registers so they know you are coming and going.

A Thor "bamfing" around intent on killing everyone like night crawler but without a range of distance would be fairly unstoppable to most of the herald range when you consider everything else Thor is packing

I use this scan because it has the word second in it (Although clearly hyperbolic in nature, it obviously happened within moments):
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportEarth3.jpg

There are faster instances imo (Including Thor not even resorting to vortex). In that arc for the record, the Odinson was able to create such a phenomenon right before they hit the Black Celestial modified Galactus:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportsBlackHole1.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportsBlackHole2.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportsBlackHole3.jpg

They were moments away and at the rate Richards time-sled was traveling at, it couldn't have taken more than like a second or two tops. I posted it mostly though because he was able to teleport without any problems so close to the event, it pays testament to Mjolnir's incredibly space warping capabilities.

For the record, I don't know of any instances (Except like one where he needed to prepare for some reason) where Thor takes more than a few seconds to create a warp in space. Even if it is one of those scenes where his being long winded, it should still be under a minute:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BreaksIntoNegaZone1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BreaksIntoNegaZone2.jpg

Technically speaking Thor very well could teleport all Nightcrawler like (Mjolnir has shown the sufficient level of space warping needed for that) but it's really not in his character to do so. I don't think his ever done anything like that except for having Mjolnir teleport and attack the enemy from another angle IIRC.

Originally posted by rotiart
Dude you come with retarded answers all day long.
When it works in your favor it's right.
When it doesn't it's wrong.

I take it back, it's not your statements that are retarded.

When science doesn't work, I apply the suspension of disbelief and accept the feat.
When science works, then we use it.

But why engage in a discussion when you are not willing to discuss (answer my questions)?

How do you know that Thor is stronger than Aquaman when the two never engaged?