Originally posted by h1a8
When science doesn't work, I apply the suspension of disbelief and accept the feat.
When science works, then we use it.But why engage in a discussion when you are not willing to discuss (answer my questions)?
How do you know that Thor is stronger than Aquaman when the two never engaged?
How do you know that Thor is stronger than Aquaman?
That's h1's point.
You can't know who's stronger without looking at feats.
And for some things, its impossible to know just from visuals alone--you have to go deeper.
If luke cage picks up a tank, and savage dragon picks up a jeep sized boulder, saying luke cage is stronger just because he picked up a far bigger object, would be wrong.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
That's h1's point.You can't know who's stronger without looking at feats.
And for some things, its impossible to know just from visuals alone--you have to go deeper.
If luke cage picks up a tank, and savage dragon picks up a jeep sized boulder, saying luke cage is stronger just because he picked up a far bigger object, would be wrong.
Featception?
Originally posted by dmills
^^^ So much for "spinning the hammer for a few minutes".
Typical and baseless argument used against Thor on every one of his vs threads.
Originally posted by h1a8
When science doesn't work, I apply the suspension of disbelief and accept the feat.
When science works, then we use it.But why engage in a discussion when you are not willing to discuss (answer my questions)?
How do you know that Thor is stronger than Aquaman when the two never engaged?
Originally posted by carver9
How do you know that Thor is stronger than Aquaman?
Stop arguing in circles lads. Its a combination of both. Feats, and how they stand up to other characters.
Originally posted by carver9I'm 5 steps ahead of you Carv. I'm about to Heath Ledger Joker your arse.
So you admit Thor is 10 times stronger than Darkseid and Doomsday based off of lifting fts? Is this correct?
Watch my awesome connection of logic:
1. Doomsday overpowered Superman in a test of strength when grappled up.
2. Darkseid CASUALLY bloodied Superman by smacking him and another time by punching him.
3. Superman has strength feats beyond Thor.
4. Superman isn't strong enough to CASUALLY bloody a 100% duplicate of himself in one blow.
By 1 and 3 Doomsday is stronger than Thor.
By 2, 3, and 4 Darkseid is stronger than Thor.
Remember lifting feats aren't the only thing that counts. We have hitting, pulling,... feats as well. Whether we connect the dots directly or indirectly (with comparisons) of whose stronger, the connection at root will always will be someone's natural feats.
Originally posted by Horrificus
OK. I agree with what you said.But...
Once I broke 150 mph on my bike.
But, I can't fight at that speed.Then...
If we are using "Travel Speed" as a potential speed feat, why can't we throw Thor's teleportation into that bin?
Not the same at all, You riding your bike is in no way comparable to surfers speed....Firstly you ride your bike in a straight line and have very little manoevrability regardless of the speed you attain. Further even when granting added manoevrability, the navigating of your bike is something directly contingent on your body movements (to a much greater extent than say the driving of a car or navigating a fighter jet and yet still to a lesser extent than that required by Surfer on his board), and thus you dont have the bodily reactions to even perform any complex manoevres at that speed at all. We havent even started talking about your lack of ability to process things or think at superspeeds
Surfer on the other hand is not only able to fly on his board at superspeed (travel speed), but is able to coordinate complex blast blitz attacks at that superspeed while manoevring in multiple directions...while in battle hence he is fighting at that speed.The reactions needed here for his level of manoevrability and control and use of superspeed in battle are astronomical and certainly considerably above anything Thor has displayed. Him having been clocked at the nanosecond reaction level further corroborates this.
Throw in the fact that surfer has legitimate superspeed perceptions and mental processing abilities and really any comparison between he and Thor speedwise falls pretty flat.
Originally posted by h1a8WTF?
I'm 5 steps ahead of you Carv. I'm about to Heath Ledger Joker your arse.Watch my awesome connection of logic:
1. Doomsday overpowered Superman in a test of strength when grappled up.
2. Darkseid CASUALLY bloodied Superman by smacking him and another time by punching him.
3. Superman has strength feats beyond Thor.
4. Superman isn't strong enough to CASUALLY bloody a 100% duplicate of himself in one blow.By 1 and 3 Doomsday is stronger than Thor.
By 2, 3, and 4 Darkseid is stronger than Thor.Remember lifting feats aren't the only thing that counts. We have hitting, pulling,... feats as well. Whether we connect the dots directly or indirectly (with comparisons) of whose stronger, the connection at root will always will be someone's natural feats.
Originally posted by h1a8You make no sense whatsoever. None. You use double standards and trip over your logic all the time.
I'm 5 steps ahead of you Carv. I'm about to Heath Ledger Joker your arse.Watch my awesome connection of logic:
1. Doomsday overpowered Superman in a test of strength when grappled up.
2. Darkseid CASUALLY bloodied Superman by smacking him and another time by punching him.
3. Superman has strength feats beyond Thor.
4. Superman isn't strong enough to CASUALLY bloody a 100% duplicate of himself in one blow.By 1 and 3 Doomsday is stronger than Thor.
By 2, 3, and 4 Darkseid is stronger than Thor.Remember lifting feats aren't the only thing that counts. We have hitting, pulling,... feats as well. Whether we connect the dots directly or indirectly (with comparisons) of whose stronger, the connection at root will always will be someone's natural feats.