Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was there to save Thor from himself and Odin jumped into battle without knowing the situation you constantly misrepresent what happens on panel. Thanos still wasn't put down while simple spells have defeated Mangog as has Thor himself.Hell, a Thanos clone ordered him around like a servant.
And, yes, Thanos WAS put down. He was beaten to his knees. But, I guess that doesn't count.
A simple spell defeated Mangog? First of all, the first spell involved the release of billions of billions of individuals from the prison that was Mangog. It was stated, on panel, that this was the only way to defeat him.
The second time, Odin had to amp himself, as described on panel, with the use of a 2nd Mystic Well. Then, he cut Mangog off from his power supply.
This "simple spell" resulted in the death of Odin.
As far as the "Thanos clone" statement goes, I already showed Mangog stating, ON PANEL, that he allowed it because they had a shared vision.
But, since you know what they were REALLY thinking, I guess that really doesn't count either.
I guess you can't come up with ANY similar situations, such as Captain America, Reed Richards, etc., being able to give orders to heavy hitters out of respect, or due to having a "shared vision".
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Once you begin applying your own values and claiming to know what the thoughts and inner goals are for these characters, especially when they are not reflected by activity on-panel, you are taking these debates into chaos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was there to save Thor from himself and Odin jumped into battle without knowing the situation you constantly misrepresent what happens on panel. Thanos still wasn't put down while simple spells have defeated Mangog as has Thor himself.Hell, a Thanos clone ordered him around like a servant.
Originally posted by HorrificusWhen someone rises up and denies submission that isn't losing. The battle was then interrupted. If you want to claim Odin won despite him turning Odin down you are misrepresenting. Odin also picked a fight with him without knowing the groups intentions. You claimed Thanos showed up wanting to fight Odin. That's called misrepresenting.
I misrepresented nothing. I described what was on panel. YOU are the one that is delving into the mind of Thanos, somehow, and applying values and measurements that you can't possibly know.And, yes, Thanos WAS put down. He was beaten to his knees. But, I guess that doesn't count.
A simple spell defeated Mangog? First of all, the first spell involved the release of billions of billions of individuals from the prison that was Mangog. It was stated, on panel, that this was the only way to defeat him.
The second time, Odin had to amp himself, as described on panel, with the use of a 2nd Mystic Well. Then, he cut Mangog off from his power supply.
This "simple spell" resulted in the death of Odin.
As far as the "Thanos clone" statement goes, I already showed Mangog stating, ON PANEL, that he allowed it because they had a shared vision.
But, since you know what they were REALLY thinking, I guess that really doesn't count either.
I guess you can't come up with ANY similar situations, such as Captain America, Reed Richards, etc., being able to give orders to heavy hitters out of respect, or due to having a "shared vision".
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Once you begin applying your own values and claiming to know what the thoughts and inner goals are for these characters, especially when they are not reflected by activity on-panel, you are taking these debates into chaos.
It was a simple spell to Odin and ye it easily defeated a being with that many inside him.
The Thanos clone manipulated him just like the real Thanos manipulated Terrax. He's a foot soldier to a Thanos clone the people at marvel see Thanos as the biggest baddest villain in their universe they see Mangog as just a powerful threat not even in the same league.
Originally posted by HorrificusI never said you didn't put forth scans supporting your case but I just don't like it when you misrepresent the outcome of battles or Thanos' intentions concerning the Odin battle.
In the interest of "civility", will you at least admit that, even if we disagree on the interpretation of some details, I have still shown proof (scans) that CAN be taken as evidence supporting my arguments?
Originally posted by quanchi112
When someone rises up and denies submission that isn't losing. The battle was then interrupted. If you want to claim Odin won despite him turning Odin down you are misrepresenting. Odin also picked a fight with him without knowing the groups intentions. You claimed Thanos showed up wanting to fight Odin. That's called misrepresenting.It was a simple spell to Odin and ye it easily defeated a being with that many inside him.
The Thanos clone manipulated him just like the real Thanos manipulated Terrax. He's a foot soldier to a Thanos clone the people at marvel see Thanos as the biggest baddest villain in their universe they see Mangog as just a powerful threat not even in the same league.
It would be like somebody turning Galactus into "Galan", then having it claimed that Galactus was beaten in combat. That would not go over well in here.
And, I never said that Mangog could not be manipulated. Or that he couldn't be controlled. Heck, he was controlled by a skinny magician in his third Asgardian story arc. "Ingron", I think was the name. He wasn't more powerful, but Mangog listened to him.
Juggernaut listening to Black Tom.
Hulk listening to Rick.
Thor listening to Captain America.
Superman listening to Batman, (sometimes).
This point means nothing.
As far as the Thanos/Odin battle goes-
Never in the battle does Thanos try to defuse it or explain. He was decided he needs to defeat Odin. Period.
Thanos states: "in my version, righteous Thanos triumphs over craven Odin". One way or another, he was trying to defeat Odin.
Originally posted by HorrificusThe point is Odin easily defeated him. he posed no threat to Odin and was easily dealt with.
The simple spell was an alternative to combat because destroying them as a race AND as the Mangog was not possible. This is stated on panel.
AND, the simple spell actually killed Odin once.
What Odin did, was to AVOID battle. A battle he stated that he could not win.It would be like somebody turning Galactus into "Galan", then having it claimed that Galactus was beaten in combat. That would not go over well in here.
And, I never said that Mangog could not be manipulated. Or that he couldn't be controlled. Heck, he was controlled by a skinny magician in his third Asgardian story arc. "Ingron", I think was the name. He wasn't more powerful, but Mangog listened to him.
Juggernaut listening to Black Tom.
Hulk listening to Rick.
Thor listening to Captain America.
Superman listening to Batman, (sometimes).
This point means nothing.As far as the Thanos/Odin battle goes-
Never in the battle does Thanos try to defuse it or explain. He was decided he needs to defeat Odin. Period.
The same Mangog was defeated far easier than the Thanos clone. The Thanos clone was far mighter than Mangog in the same story.
Thanos battles Odin because he realizes words won't stop Odin's attack. He doesn't trust Thanos and Thanos isn't going to back down from him. Odin told his men to attack and then joined the fight. Others who Odin trusted explained the situation and he stopped. Thanos didn't continue because his intention was never to go to asgard to go to war with them. Ever.
Originally posted by D-BlockSo you dont think current avatar of death Thanos could harm Odin.
In a spur of the moment fight Classic Mangog wins. Classic Mangog could actually harm Odin where as Thanos could not. Yeah Thanos has had some upgrades but not Elite Skyfather beating upgrades that I know of.
Originally posted by quanchi112Panel says differently:
The fight didn't end.
Then, it took 7 panels, with Odin taking no action against a fallen Thanos, for Thanos to get back to his feet and say he does not yield.
Odin wanted to beat Thanos down. If this was for blood, he wouldn't have looked for the concession from Thanos.
Thanos was beaten. Requesting or giving a verbal acknowledgement is more about an offer of "mercy" from the victor and an attempt to retain "pride" from the defeated, than anything else.
In UFC, if 'fighter a' pummels 'fighter b' for all 3 rounds without KO'ing him, 'fighter b' still lost the fight.
Same thing here. Odin beat the crap out of Thanos for most of the issue--Thanos not being KO'd and refusing to yield, doesn't change the fact that he still lost the fight from a technical aspect.
Originally posted by HorrificusThat meansn the fight wasn't over. Odin prematurely thought Thanos was defeated. Through the course of the battle he grew to respect Thanos as an adversary and upon realizing he wasn't defeated gave him the option to give up. Thanos denied the request.
Panel says differently:Then, it took 7 panels, with Odin taking no action against a fallen Thanos, for Thanos to get back to his feet and say he does not yield.
Odin wanted to beat Thanos down. If this was for blood, he wouldn't have looked for the concession from Thanos.
Thanos was beaten. Requesting or giving a verbal acknowledgement is more about an offer of "mercy" from the victor and an attempt to retain "pride" from the defeated, than anything else.
The battle wasn't over hence no loser no winner.
Originally posted by Galan007This isn't a ufc fight. You are taking one sports rules and applying it here to a street fight. 😂
In UFC, if 'fighter a' pummels 'fighter b' for all 3 rounds without KO'ing him, 'fighter b' still lost the fight.Same thing here. Odin beat the crap out of Thanos for most of the issue--Thanos not being KO'd and refusing to yield, doesn't change the fact that he still lost the fight from a technical aspect.
After panels of Thanos being brutally punished, the writer made sure the panel states Odin's thought's. "At last. It is over".
This is done for a reason.
Then, Thanos is shown on his knees, while Odin offers him a chance to avoid taking more punishment.
Then, several panels are shown, to see the effort it takes for Thanos to even stand up. Also, showing Thanos is tough.
All of that was done to show he was defeated. THAT is the point to those panels.
There is no evidence that supports your opinion, that the point to the panels was to show that Thanos was STILL in the fight and it was not finished.
The entire battle showed a one-sided combat, ending in a decimated Thanos and a shiny new Odin offering a way out.
You are interjecting your feelings again.