Originally posted by zopzopHow in the world Eternity being scared of what Abraxas might have been able to do if left unchecked, equates to Abraxas erasing Dream on the 'conceptual plane', is entirely beyond me. ermm
Abraxas destroys him. He had the ultimate concept, Multi-Eternity, in fear and begging for assistance. Multi-Eternity embodies the WHOLE Multiverse. Dream is out of his league here.
Originally posted by Galan007
How in the world Eternity being scared of what Abraxas might have been able to do if left unchecked, equates to Abraxas erasing Dream on the 'conceptual plane', is entirely beyond me. ermm
The very fact that the CONCEPTUAL BEING representing the MULTIVERSE and everything in it, was POWERLESS to stop Abraxas, tells us that Dream is getting his @$$ handed to him in this fight.
Originally posted by zopzopIn no way, shape, or form does Eternity being frightened of what Abraxas might be able to do, imply that Abraxas is capable of erasing concepts in one fell swoop.
The very fact that the CONCEPTUAL BEING representing the MULTIVERSE and everything in it, was POWERLESS to stop Abraxas, tells us that Dream is getting his @$$ handed to him in this fight.
You're letting your love for Abraxas blind you.
i really hate abraxas. is it possible he could eliminate dream? maybe, i guess. that didn't seem to be his m.o. though. frankly, i don't know WHAT the hell he was doing. was he supposed to just walk through the whole multiverse and ...... let things collapse around him? other nullifiers exist in the multiverse. why wouldn't someone else just use it and kill him? we could speculate the 616 nullifier was somehow 'special' but there's no proof of that--or rather no proof that some other nullifier couldn't do the same thing. the whole arc was dumb and ill-conceived. if he's so great, why not just wipe out johnny before he was able to get the un? the secret location of it would have be secret forever. i actually think the arc took a turn that it was not initially supposed to. i always thought abraxas WANTED the un to use against the multiverse. then somehow, very inelegantly, we learn that he wants it to......what? keep someone else from using it against him? so, let me get this right--the un--which is some part of galactus (allegedly, and unclearly), who is a portion of eternity--can achieve something the MULTIVERSAL EMBODIMENT cannot? 😐
terrible arc. terrible character who's basis lies mostly in narration and bios as opposed to feats. nothing he did would indicate to me he could simply eliminate a conceptual entity, but who knows? the character is so ill-conceived and ill-defined, it's impossible to say.
to reiterate--abraxas sucks.
Originally posted by leonidas👆 clapclap Pretty sure it's impossible to agree with a post more.
i really hate abraxas. is it possible he could eliminate dream? maybe, i guess. that didn't seem to be his m.o. though. frankly, i don't know WHAT the hell he was doing. was he supposed to just walk through the whole multiverse and ...... let things collapse around him? other nullifiers exist in the multiverse. why wouldn't someone else just use it and kill him? we could speculate the 616 nullifier was somehow 'special' but there's no proof of that--or rather no proof that some other nullifier couldn't do the same thing. the whole arc was dumb and ill-conceived. if he's so great, why not just wipe out johnny before he was able to get the un? the secret location of it would have be secret forever. i actually think the arc took a turn that it was not initially supposed to. i always thought abraxas WANTED the un to use against the multiverse. then somehow, very inelegantly, we learn that he wants it to......what? keep someone else from using it against him? so, let me get this right--the un--which is some part of galactus (allegedly, and unclearly), who is a portion of eternity--can achieve something the MULTIVERSAL EMBODIMENT cannot? 😐terrible arc. terrible character who's basis lies mostly in narration and bios as opposed to feats. nothing he did would indicate to me he could simply eliminate a conceptual entity, but who knows? the character is so ill-conceived and ill-defined, it's impossible to say.
to reiterate--abraxas sucks.
...But I guess it shouldn't come as much of a surprise--that arc was written by Loeb, after all.
Originally posted by Galan007
In no way, shape, or form does Eternity being frightened of what Abraxas might be able to do, imply that Abraxas is capable of erasing concepts in one fell swoop.You're letting your love for Abraxas blind you.
But I don't love Abraxas, I begrudgingly respect his power. The conceptual being representing the multiverse and everything in it was powerless to stop him and was begging for help.
Dream : the embodiment of ONE of the many aspects in ONE universe
Eternity : Embodiment of the Universe and EVERYTHING in it
Multi-Eternity : EVERY Eternity in the Multiverse (aka he represents the Multiverse and everything in it)
Multi-Eternity >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eternity>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dream. And Abraxas was greater than Multi-Eternity!
Originally posted by zopzopThough I completely disagree with this analogy, do you not see that it is possible for 'character a' to be more powerful than 'character b', without 'character a' having the power to erase 'character b' from existence?
But I don't love Abraxas, I begrudgingly respect his power. The conceptual being representing the multiverse and everything in it was powerless to stop him and was begging for help.Dream : the embodiment of ONE of the many aspects in ONE universe
Eternity : Embodiment of the Universe and EVERYTHING in it
Multi-Eternity : EVERY Eternity in the Multiverse (aka he represents the Multiverse and everything in it)Multi-Eternity >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eternity>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dream. And Abraxas was greater than Multi-Eternity!
In even simpler terms: IF Abraxas were more powerful than Dream, it doesn't mean he is capable of erasing the concept Dream embodies.