Originally posted by zopzop
But it was explained how Doom "beat" the Beyonder. The retcon was that the power was drawn to the person that wanted it more (Spider-man & the Secret War).Reed pwning all those abstracts was done using nothing but his tech. Reed using the UN on that level (multiversal) is proof he has a COMPLETE understanding of the multiverse, otherwise he would have failed. That kind of understanding requires omniscience. He's far from a "normal" person.
ok, so doom is beyond whom....odin? galactus? having an 'understanding' of something in NO WAY AT ALL equates to being omniscient. wtf? he saw the multi entity and was TOLD how the multiverse was set up. how that means he is "omniscient" (seriously???) i have no idea. the whole argument is one of the worst i've ever heard postulated. good luck convincing even a single person anywhere that reed is now among the omniscients of the multiverse. 👆
as for the thread--abraxas could win i suppose, but i saw no proof anywhere that his powers function in that way, and based upon the ill-defined nature of his powers that's about as fas as i'm willing to go.
and quan-- 😂 your initial comment attributed something to galan that i brought up, and you claimed i supported his stance when i never addressed his stance at all. well done and fine comprehension as usual. i know these big people discussions are hard for you to follow and probably give you terrible headaches but you need to really try and do better. and more overcompensation? sigh..... 'everyone knows i'm no smarter than a salamander so i'll tell everyone i am great!' 😂
and i'm posturing. yep. the forum knows you're the bottom of the food chain but you've served your purpose and made me laugh. well done. 👆
Originally posted by leonidasI'm pretty sure you said pretty much agreeing with his entire post. I guess you are a bit of flip flopper. This doesn't come as a surprise at all to me. Don't call yourself a big person when you haven't used a cap since the 80's.and quan-- 😂 your initial comment attributed something to galan that i brought up, and you claimed i supported his stance when i never addressed his stance at all. well done and fine comprehension as usual. i know these big people discussions are hard for you to follow and probably give you terrible headaches but you need to really try and do better. and more overcompensation? sigh..... 'everyone knows i'm no smarter than a salamander so i'll tell everyone i am great!' 😂
and i'm posturing. yep. the forum knows you're the bottom of the food chain but you've served your purpose and made me laugh. well done. 👆
The personal attacks don't deter me. Just separate yourself from the emotions you are experiencing and come back ready for a debate. You aren't a funny person either and I expected to laugh by now but this seems very juvenile to me.
Abraxas.
Originally posted by kevdudeAbraxas killing other Galactus's which caused the their universes to
begin merging with 616 (warping the multiverse).Another thing the dead Galactus head with a hole in space and time
caused Uatu to become comatose!Abraxas does not just get closer to universes and they collapse, thats
not how it happens...
But this is blatant, deliberate 100% bull shit
Literally, I'm calling you a liar on this one,
cause I schooled you on this fallacy you pulled in another thread,
and now you're here posting the same bullshit
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=560438&pagenumber=2
Nice try.
Originally posted by kevdudeIf thats true then how was the Earth still able to not be destroyed with Abraxas on it?? lol.
Originally posted by Mr Master👆
There's too much bullshit in this thread to point it all out.But this is blatant, deliberate 100% bull shit
Literally, I'm calling you a liar on this one,
cause I schooled you on this fallacy you pull in another thread,
and now you're here posting the same bullshithttp://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=560438&pagenumber=2
Nice try.
Uhm, 616 was falling apart as Abraxas strode by.
Originally posted by IgnizI remember Franklin Richards seeing Abraxas in a dream.
So maybe he does have power overs dreams at least.
Originally posted by IgnizAlthough as Leonidas pointed out, why didn't Abraxas just kill Johnny?
This doesn't discredit Abraxas's power.
It just shows that Abraxas may lack intelligence in coming up strategy and tactics.
Abraxas kills Johnny, the UN is never found the story never ends,
or it does end with Abraxas as the lone God of the Omniverse.
Which isn't gonna happen cause a Marvel Universe has to continue,
as is, across a wide variety of characters with their own books.
This is why Abraxas did not kill Johnny,
just like how both Abraxas & Reed were able to job a bit
before Reed clicked the button.
Originally posted by IgnizWhy did UN's from other universe wasn't used to kill Abraxas?
Well the Abraxas saga showed that the 616 Universe is the prime
reality.Galactus of 616 was according to Franklin "The first
Galactus!"This would make Galactus of 616 as Abraxas's jailer.It
might also say that 616 is the most important reality in the Marvel
Universe.I think Abraxas also lacks cosmic awareness.If he has CA
he wouldn't have needed Nova to be an under cover agent for
locating the UN.Abraxas wins! Unless Dream has his own version of an Ultimate Nullifier.
Originally posted by leonidas
ok, so doom is beyond whom....odin? galactus? having an 'understanding' of something in [b]NO WAY AT ALL equates to being omniscient. wtf? he saw the multi entity and was TOLD how the multiverse was set up. how that means he is "omniscient" (seriously???) i have no idea. the whole argument is one of the worst i've ever heard postulated. good luck convincing even a single person anywhere that reed is now among the omniscients of the multiverse. 👆[/B]
But he'd have to be omniscient to use the Nullifier in the way that he did. The whole point of the Nullifier is to have complete understanding of your intended victim/target for it to function as you want it too. For Reed to undo the multiversal damage Abraxas did requires omniscience.
Then there's the fact that Reed owned the LT and a bunch of other cosmics.
Then there's the fact that the Rogue Celestials were rampaging in "Reed Space" and were killing off IG (they ONE SHOTTED TWO Infinity Gauntlet Reeds) users and crushing Starbrand Reeds. Then Reed Richards pulls out a GUN FROM HIS CLOSET and offs one of the Rogue Celestials and they flee!
To recap : repairing multiversal wide damage with the UN (that requires complete understanding of the intended target), owning the second in command of creation (the LT) and his friends, owning the Rogue Celestials that were OFFING IG USERS. Reed >>>>>all!
😉
Originally posted by Galan007
Sans TOAA, LT is the only 'truly' omniscient being in Marvel continuity. I can't help but chuckle at the notion that Reed's intellect is on par with his.
Using nothing but his own intellect he OWNED the LT and a bunch of other Cosmics. I guess TOAA is really just another name for Reed Richards.
Originally posted by Mr Master
There's too much bullshit in this thread to point it all out.But this is blatant, deliberate 100% bull shit
Literally, I'm calling you a liar on this one,
cause I schooled you on this fallacy you pulled in another thread,
and now you're here posting the same bullshithttp://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=560438&pagenumber=2
Nice try.
Uhm, 616 was falling apart as Abraxas strode by.
The ego you have is amazing MM!! You didn't school me at anything but go ahead and think that way! You are a liar as well! See thats easy to demean others.. I thought you was above this stuff.... 👇
That answer is the WRITER. It has the ability to retcon any entity in the Ominverse. It even made Beyonder who was once the ball park of the Multiverse now been written into a cosmic cube.
Originally posted by zopzop
Who else aside from Thanos with the Hotu and the Protege have owned the LT? I'll wait for your answer.
Originally posted by kevdudeThe ego you have is amazing MM!!
Originally posted by kevdudeYou didn't school me at anything but go ahead and think that way!
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=560438&pagenumber=2
Concerning the fallacy you was pushing about the "Galactus Head"
being the culprit of Uatu's memory loss and/or comatose state,
and the Space-Time imbalance that was phucking up the Multiverse.
That was all Abraxas' doing, yet you tried to take that away from him,
by giving the credit to the "Galactus Head" which is just ridiculous
and not even in the most remote way even plausible.
Originally posted by kevdudeYou are a liar as well!
See thats easy to demean others..
I thought you was above this stuff....
I wasn't demeaning you, I was pointing out a fact.
You know damn well that "Galactus Head" had absolutely nothing to
do with anything other than being a homing beacon for Abraxas to
find 616 in the endless sea of Universes that make up the Omniverse.
Yet, I find you posting the same fallacy after I cleared that up for you.
What else is that? Unless you forgot in that case, my bad. 😛
Originally posted by zopzopBut he'd have to be omniscient to use the Nullifier in the way that
he did. The whole point of the Nullifier is to have complete
understanding of your intended victim/target for it to function as you
want it too. For Reed to undo the multiversal damage Abraxas did
requires omniscience.
I always thought mr plot device could do anything.
He's turned Galactus into a human, he was directing the war plans
which succeeded in reverting Galactus to his natural state (conscious death)
He's become an Eternity.
Tech (his version of the UN) that can destroy the Omniverse.
He and his close friends met and conversed
with one of the true "Gods" of Marvel that make up TOAA.
I think though,
what really depicted Reed's understanding/intellect/knowledge which seemed cosmic in nature,
was when the Alien Entity needed to use his mind as a guide to re-
create the entire Marvel Universe and all its history.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I think though,
what really depicted Reed's understanding/intellect/knowledge which seemed cosmic in nature,
was when the ALien Entity needed to use his mind a guide to re-
create the entire Marvel Universe and all its history.
OMG. LOL so it seems LordofMurder and I were right, Reed Richards is the Avatar of TOAA! 😆
Back on topic, Mr. M, I find it laughable that some posters on this thread believe ONE aspect out of the multitudes that make up the universe (Dream) would fare better against Abraxas than the EMBODIMENT of the freaking Multiverse and EVERYTHING in it (Mult-Eternity). Multi-Eternity was powerless against Abraxas yet Dream would beat him? 😆