Abraxas vs Dream of The Endless

Originally posted by leonidas
huh? it doesn't always end badly..... and the analogy fits well enough to make my point that you don't necessarily need to be more powerful than something to be able to 'kill' it.

in the grand scheme of things reed is exactly a regular old human. and now you're calling reed omniscient? 😑 yeah.... i'll pass on believing that.

The odds of "beating" cancer are in it's favor even with all the tech and science we have. So yes, the analogy was bad.

In the grand scheme of things, he's (Reed's) so far beyond even abstracts it's not even funny. How many 'regular old humans' have beaten the LT and a good portion of the cosmic hierarchy using nothing but his own tech and without outside help? How many 'regular old humans' have such a complete knowledge of the multiverse and how it functions that they can fire off the UN and achieve the desired results. Because you MUST be aware that one of the key things about the Nullifier and the way it works is, you must have a complete understanding of your target for the UN to achieve what you desire. That's why I called Reed "omniscient".

Originally posted by quanchi112
The comparison made by Galan with regards to drawing parallels between Bubonicus and Abraxas is both inaccurate, misleading, and a poor attempt at downplaying Abraxas with a character from an alternate reality as opposed to a character who was traversing the multiverse and by his mere existence was causing problems for reality in general.

He wasn't a cancer like Bubonicus was and I resent your personal remarks. I tease you for two reasons. First off it is in nature to do so. Secondly, it's a laziness I kind of detest in posters who take shortcuts by using u instead of you. It shows your character and my debating is leaps and bounds above yours. It always has been and always will be. I hope and pray you improve so you can see things from my level. One can dream.

"it is in nature to do so?" is that even english? i may not use caps but at least i can string together a coherent sentence. 😂 you know why i tease you? cuz you're an idiot. 🙂

and the chronic quan overcompensation tactic, used ad nauseum when your limited intellect fails. how unimaginative and pathetically predictable. i wonder if we did a poll who the forum would think is the better debater......? 😖hifty: but it wouldn't matter anyway, since it wouldn't change the way you see things in that intelligence black hole you call a brain. stick to debates that don't involve adults. you're dismissed. 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop
In the grand scheme of things, he's (Reed's) so far beyond even abstracts it's not even funny.

stopped reading, sorry zop. 😬 you're calling reed beyond abstract. there really isn't anything more to discuss i'm afraid.

Originally posted by leonidas
"it is in nature to do so?" is that even english? i may not use caps but at least i can string together a coherent sentence. 😂 you know why i tease you? cuz you're an idiot. 🙂

and the chronic quan overcompensation tactic, used ad nauseum when your limited intellect fails. how unimaginative and pathetically predictable. i wonder if we did a poll who the forum would think is the better debater......? 😖hifty: but it wouldn't matter anyway, since it wouldn't change the way you see things in that intelligence black hole you call a brain. stick to debates that don't involve adults. you're dismissed. 🙂

I actually enjoy the give and take of an intellectual debate while you seem to enjoy insulting someone and letting a debate fall into the realm of flaming. I get it that you are threatened but mask it better you make it so obvious.

The analogy given was garbage and had nothing in common to Bubonicus. You championed it because you piggyback on other debaters and have for years. Come up with your own thoughts every once in a while. Ok.

Abraxas wins. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
stopped reading, sorry zop. 😬 you're calling reed beyond abstract. there really isn't anything more to discuss i'm afraid.

It's ok. Since you stopped reading, how about looking at a picture?

Reed, using nothing but his own intellect and tech, REFLECTED ALL that power back on the abstracts. See whose in that pic? The LT, the IB, Order, Chaos, Shaper of Worlds, the Gardener, and the Collector.

Originally posted by leonidas
you know why i tease you? cuz you're an idiot. 🙂

Dream of Endless ( Gaiman version ) is a anthropomofic personifications entity. Marvel concept beings are like superheroes shooting lasers from their hands. Abraxas is a Galactus level being.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, in my nature means it's well within my behavior to fire away on someone who is too lazy to hit a simple button. It's in your nature to hit the report to moderator button. I realize english isn't everyone's first language so I will let this slide.

I actually enjoy the give and take of an intellectual debate while you seem to enjoy insulting someone and letting a debate fall into the realm of flaming. I get it that you are threatened but mask it better you make it so obvious.

The analogy given was garbage and had nothing in common to Bubonicus. You championed it because you piggyback on other debaters and have for years. Come up with your own thoughts every once in a while. Ok.

Abraxas wins. 🙂

ohhhh, in MY nature..... see, when you don't give up you CAN put a coherent sentence together! well done champ, i knew you had it in you. 👆

and no, i enjoy insulting YOU. guess that's in MY nature. and.....everyone else on the forums'. 😂

and once again, as per the norm, your ignorance is on grandiose display--i'm the one who made the disease analogy so i guess i....piggy-backed myself? and if you read carefully, i didn't say anything at all about galan's analogy, though it was apt enough, as was my original analogy, for what i was discussing with zop.

now run along and find some thanos thread to troll. 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop
It's ok. Since you stopped reading, how about looking at a picture?

Reed, using nothing but his own intellect and tech, REFLECTED ALL that power back on the abstracts. See whose in that pic? The LT, the IB, Order, Chaos, Shaper of Worlds, the Gardener, and the Collector.

so.....that makes reed beyond abstract. c'mon zop...... the reed thing was bad enough, but the true deathknell of your position was sounded as soon as quanch made it known he supported you. 🙁

Originally posted by leonidas
so.....that makes reed beyond abstract. c'mon zop...... the reed thing was bad enough, but the true deathknell of your position was sounded as soon as quanch made it known he supported you. 🙁

Who else aside from Thanos with the Hotu and the Protege have owned the LT? I'll wait for your answer.

the fact that you are saying reed pwn'd lt is only driving this further into the realm of nonsense. i suppose you think doom>>>>>classic beyonder as well? that would make doom what? beyond BEYOND abstract? so everytime a human does something pis/retarded with prep or a weapon they are beyond someone? IM is beyond surfer? you generally make more sense than this zop. 😬

Dream of The Endless I would say. Abraxas killing other Galactus's which caused the their universes to begin merging with 616 (warping the multiverse). Another thing the dead Galactus head with a hole in space and time caused Uatu to become comatose! Abraxas does not just get closer to universes and they collapse, thats not how it happens... If thats true then how was the Earth still able to not be destroyed with Abraxas on it?? lol. He is the cause of all this multiversal destruction true. Anyone can see Abraxas flinch when he thought Galactus was attacking him, all Big G was doing was taking the UN away from him! Not saying Abraxas isn't powerful, he mainly gets respect from what people think he is and they say he's done.. Stuff we haven't seen on panel.

Personally i think Abraxas is overrated.

Eternity not acting doesnt reflect a lack of power in comparison to Abraxas, for those who did act were beneath Eternity in power.

It would be a bit of a shitty story if the top dogs just stepped in and resolved the issue from the offset. Its similar to how Eternity didnt act against the Chaos King during Chaos War (despite the threat to his being) and left it up to the heroes to save him.

Furthermore by feat Abraxas did nothing impressive. His top feats were taking out some alternate reality Galactus' off panel and therefore by unknown means and within unknown circumstances. The editorial in one of the comics in that story arc even ranked his power at Galactus level. I can get hold of the scan if my word alone isnt trusted lol. He also wasnt warping reality on a universal scale, he was like a cancer to dimensional barriers. As he approached a barrier his presence would erode the dimensional wall which saw denizens from alternate realities passing through into other realities in localized areas, so he wasnt warping reality in a Scarlet Witch sense and the affect wasnt universal. It was sporadic and localized. Abraxas merely eroded any dimensional barrier he approached.

Originally posted by leonidas
"it is in nature to do so?" is that even english? i may not use caps but at least i can string together a coherent sentence. 😂 you know why i tease you? cuz you're an idiot. 🙂

and the chronic quan overcompensation tactic, used ad nauseum when your limited intellect fails. how unimaginative and pathetically predictable. i wonder if we did a poll who the forum would think is the better debater......? 😖hifty: but it wouldn't matter anyway, since it wouldn't change the way you see things in that intelligence black hole you call a brain. stick to debates that don't involve adults. you're dismissed. 🙂

OUCH! This sounds like something i'd write. I love it! 😆

^

you know you're my inspiration! 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Personally i think Abraxas is overrated.

Eternity not acting doesnt reflect a lack of power in comparison to Abraxas, for those who did act were beneath Eternity in power.

It would be a bit of a shitty story if the top dogs just stepped in and resolved the issue from the offset. Its similar to how Eternity didnt act against the Chaos King during Chaos War (despite the threat to his being) and left it up to the heroes to save him.

Furthermore by feat Abraxas did nothing impressive. His top feats were taking out some alternate reality Galactus' off panel and therefore by unknown means and within unknown circumstances. The editorial in one of the comics in that story arc even ranked his power at Galactus level. I can get hold of the scan if my word alone isnt trusted lol. He also wasnt warping reality on a universal scale, he was like a cancer to dimensional barriers. As he approached a barrier his presence would erode the dimensional wall which saw denizens from alternate realities passing through into other realities in localized areas, so he wasnt warping reality in a Scarlet Witch sense and the affect wasnt universal. It was sporadic and localized. Abraxas merely eroded any dimensional barrier he approached.

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Originally posted by leonidas
ohhhh, in MY nature..... see, when you don't give up you CAN put a coherent sentence together! well done champ, i knew you had it in you. 👆

and no, i enjoy insulting YOU. guess that's in MY nature. and.....everyone else on the forums'. 😂

and once again, as per the norm, your ignorance is on grandiose display--i'm the one who made the disease analogy so i guess i....piggy-backed myself? and if you read carefully, i didn't say anything at all about galan's analogy, though it was apt enough, as was my original analogy, for what i was discussing with zop.

now run along and find some thanos thread to troll. 🙂

I love it when someone postures like you're clearly doing here. 🙂

What have I stated which is ignorant ? Cite specific examples and make some sense out of all of these personal attacks. That means I am deep inside your head. Stick to the topic, leon.

I post in various thread next time actually try to argue the thread topic don't let your feelings bleed into the thread like they did here. You claim to be better than that but I know better.

dream is simply on another lvl

dark man loses here

I remember Franklin Richards seeing Abraxas in a dream.So maybe he does have power overs dreams at least.Although as Leonidas pointed out, why didn't Abraxas just kill Johnny?This doesn't discredit Abraxas's power.It just shows that Abraxas may lack intelligence in coming up strategy and tactics.Why did UN's from other universe wasn't used to kill Abraxas?Well the Abraxas saga showed that the 616 Universe is the prime reality.Galactus of 616 was according to Franklin "The first Galactus!"This would make Galactus of 616 as Abraxas's jailer.It might also say that 616 is the most important reality in the Marvel Universe.I think Abraxas also lacks cosmic awareness.If he has CA he wouldn't have needed Nova to be an under cover agent for locating the UN.

Abraxas wins!Unless Dream has his own version of an Ultimate Nullifier.

Originally posted by leonidas
the fact that you are saying reed pwn'd lt is only driving this further into the realm of nonsense. i suppose you think doom>>>>>classic beyonder as well? that would make doom what? beyond BEYOND abstract? so everytime a human does something pis/retarded with prep or a weapon they are beyond someone? IM is beyond surfer? you generally make more sense than this zop. 😬

But it was explained how Doom "beat" the Beyonder. The retcon was that the power was drawn to the person that wanted it more (Spider-man & the Secret War).

Reed pwning all those abstracts was done using nothing but his tech. Reed using the UN on that level (multiversal) is proof he has a COMPLETE understanding of the multiverse, otherwise he would have failed. That kind of understanding requires omniscience. He's far from a "normal" person.

My head hurts now lol.....

So when Reed pulls something out of the bag, he has a complete understanding of the multiverse...

But if, say, Batman does it to someone like Darkseid, its either PIS or its showing up Darkseid for the chump he truly is? I mean, he has with prep defeated Darkseid 3 times that I can remember - Final Crisis, Rock of Ages and in Superman/Batman. Does that make him more devious/clever than the Ultimate Evil?

I'm not equating Darkseid to the Beyonder or anything like those people in the scan zopzop posted - I am just wondering how do people see things when normal human heroes take on abstract entities and evil alien gods.