Abraxas vs Dream of The Endless

Originally posted by leonidas
maybe it's me. the statement reads:

"Of the nigh infinite number of aspects that comprise my totality, i am the only aspect to succumb to death."

i don't see how that translates to all aspects automatically KNOWING that this aspect died..... each eternity is an individual entity. there is absolutely nothing in that scene to indicate they share a consciousness. shrug

and obviously, this is well before the idea of any multi-entity was ever dreamed of. are you saying that this 'totality' is retroactively the multi-entity?? that.... makes no sense. you can't use this scene to retroactively prove the existence of a multi-entity that shares a consciousness with all versions of eternity. 😬

It does by DEFAULT. How else would he know that this was the only one to succumb to Death? Think about it.

There's a bonus too. There was a scan floating around the forums about 6 months back that had 616 Eternity mourning the loss of his lost self; the reality that was nullified by Korvac. If anyone knows the scan in question and reposts it, you'll be my KMF hero.

Originally posted by zopzop
It does by DEFAULT. How else would he know that this was the only one to succumb to Death? Think about it.

hmm, maybe..... still seems not too solid too me. and this is still well before any multi-entity, and you are still retroactively using it to support it. i asked this before and you never really answered--who do you think that eternity was talking about when he said "MY TOTALITY"? it CLEARLY wasn't this multi-eternity. so, who do you think it was?

There's a bonus too. There was a scan floating around the forums about 6 months back that had 616 Eternity mourning the loss of his lost self; the reality that was nullified by Korvac. If anyone knows the scan in question and reposts it, you'll be my KMF hero.

now THAT might be something. 👆

616 Eternity is also like the only one ever seen conversing with LT. Course you could argue M-Bodies, but when he talks it's about the happenings in 616

So there's that.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, maybe..... still seems not too solid too me. and this is still well before any multi-entity, and you are still retroactively using it to support it. i asked this before and you never really answered--who do you think that eternity was talking about when he said "MY TOTALITY"? it CLEARLY wasn't this multi-eternity. so, who do you think it was?

It strange. It looks like they were laying the ground work for the "multi-Eternity" thing for a while. His totality could have been him and all his other "alternate" selves aka Multi-Eternity. He seemed to be saying he was a part of a greater whole. Just like one universe is part of a greater series of universes, the multiverse and that they were aware of what happens to each other. That his consciousness is spread out between all his alternate selves.

now THAT might be something. 👆

I swear, I'm not going crazy. I remember it clearly but I can't find it via google and I forgot what thread it was on this forum. It was 616 Eternity standing before a portal he created to look into the What If Korvac universe and saying how one of his brothers/otherselves/whatever was dead and he was saddened by it. He was discussing this with someone, could have been the LT.

Originally posted by zopzop

It strange. It looks like they were laying the ground work for the "multi-Eternity" thing for a while. His totality could have been him and all his other "alternate" selves aka Multi-Eternity. He seemed to be saying he was a part of a greater whole. Just like one universe is part of a greater series of universes, the multiverse and that they were aware of what happens to each other. That his consciousness is spread out between all his alternate selves. [\b]

yeah, i'm not really buying that 'laying the groundwork' thing. 😬 i'm not really sure what the writer was going for there tbh. perhaps he was referencing his other alternates but he used an odd term--aspects. HIS aspects. seems he was referring to parts of HIMSELF, not OTHER eternities. i really can't see him referring to all eternities as himself, not back then.

then (of course) we need to recognize that things in what if OFTEN don't make much sense. that's why they are not allowed to be used as evidence of anything in the forum.

I swear, I'm not going crazy. I remember it clearly but I can't find it via google and I forgot what thread it was on this forum. It was 616 Eternity standing before a portal he created to look into the What If Korvac universe and saying how one of his brothers/otherselves/whatever was dead and he was saddened by it. He was discussing this with someone, could have been the LT.

never saw it but it might be some support for you if it turns up.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
616 Eternity is also like the only one ever seen conversing with LT. Course you could argue M-Bodies, but when he talks it's about the happenings in 616

So there's that.

not too sure what you're saying here. what do you make of that weird what if eternity scene?

...

... so what're Dream's feats again?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
...

... so what're Dream's feats again?

Nothing of consequence. "His" best feat was boring Ultimator to sleep. But it turns out it wasn't even Dream that did it. So barring that, I'm still unsure what he's done.

Originally posted by zopzop
Nothing of consequence. "His" best feat was boring Ultimator to sleep. But it turns out it wasn't even Dream that did it. So barring that, I'm still unsure what he's done.

I usually don't involve myself in these "infinite vs. infinite" theads, but it appears as if you're making the feat sound like less than it actually is. He made a being 5 dimensions higher than Myx lose consciousness by standing there...

I don't see how that isn't relevant.

Originally posted by Sirius77
I usually don't involve myself in these "infinite vs. infinite" theads, but it appears as if you're making the feat sound like less than it actually is. He made a being 5 dimensions higher than Myx lose consciousness by standing there...

I don't see how that isn't relevant.

You DO realize that wasn't Dream of the Endless right? And it was clearly shown that Mopius BORED him to sleep.

Originally posted by zopzop
You DO realize that wasn't Dream of the Endless right? And it was clearly shown that Mopius BORED him to sleep.

It's funny that you should say that, because in his own graphic novel, as well as others, Dream has been referred to by many other names. He is a concept, and as such, most that see him interpret him in different ways. Examples can be seen in his encounter with J'onn J'onzz, and the African queen that he trapped in hell in his own series, as well as many others. To imply that he goes by one name or alias would be to deny the nature of Morpheus imo.

With this said, it is up for interpretation, but by no means can it be said in a cut and dry manner, that it was not intended to be Myx's version of Morpheus. Everything that Dreams and thinks has a "version" of Morpheus.

Bored him to sleep? He "bored" a 10th dimensional entity bent on absorbing creation to an eternal sleep. What a low feat...

Originally posted by Sirius77
It's funny that you should say that, because in his own graphic novel, as well as others, Dream has been referred to by many other names. He is a concept, and as such, most that see him interpret him in different ways. Examples can be seen in his encounter with J'onn J'onzz, and the African queen that he trapped in hell in his own series, as well as many others. To imply that he goes by one name or alias would be to deny the nature of Morpheus imo.

With this said, it is up for interpretation, but by no means can it be said in a cut and dry manner, that it was not intended to be Myx's version of Morpheus. Everything that Dreams and thinks has a "version" of Morpheus.

Bored him to sleep? He "bored" a 10th dimensional entity bent on absorbing creation to an eternal sleep. What a low feat...

So you're telling me, Mopius is the exact same character as Morpheus, just using an alias? 🙄

And he BORED him to sleep by telling him a pointless story. Some feat.

Originally posted by leonidas

i'm not really sure what the writer was going for there tbh.
perhaps he was referencing his other alternates but he used an odd
term--aspects. HIS aspects.

seems he was referring to parts of HIMSELF, not OTHER eternities. i
really can't see him referring to all eternities as himself, not back
then.

It's What If #34

There is no doubt that Eternity-82432 was referring to itself as the Totality.

This is because it is a fact that Eternity is one consciousness spread across all Eternities.

He could not be referring to parts of himself since the UN nullified it completely, not partially,
only the spirit remained.

That aside ...

In the same page at the bottom, Dr Strange makes it clear
that this Eternity spoke of infinite Universes:

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And the only time Eternity made them aware of other Universes,
was when he said, "of the nigh-infinite number of aspects that comprise MY Totality.
I am the only aspect to succumb to death."

And ...
both Surfer and Phoenix recognize that this Eternity is speaking about this entire Universe,
not parts.

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This is pretty cut and dry.

Originally posted by zopzop
So you're telling me, Mopius is the exact same character as Morpheus, just using an alias? 🙄

And he BORED him to sleep by telling him a pointless story. Some feat.

Yes. That is what I am implying. The character was drawn to look like Morpheus, had he the same dialogue as Morpheus, and Myx didn't go into a comic to bring him out, he simply went to his realm. There's actually more evidence for than against. Also, as far as the feat goes, try putting Fury to sleep while it has it's mind set to do something. Like I said, considering the fact that godlike entities have no biological need for sleep, I really think that you're downplaying the feat.

^ Scans?

Gimme a sec

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Scans?

Ah, never mind, I just re-read it. It's been a while. All of the others seemed to be explicitly sought out, but Myx was blasted into what appeared to be a sandman graphic novel by Ultimator. The dialogue said something to the effect of him taking a gamble in allowing ultimator to blast him exactly where he wanted to go or something.

Honestly though, what is the best feat for Dream again?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have that issue
and I was the one that posted it way back when in my own "Cosmic" thread I closed.

It's What If #34

There is no doubt that Eternity-82432 was referring to itself as the Totality.

This is because it is a fact that Eternity is one consciousness spread across all Eternities.

so you're saying the same thing he is--you think that was some pre-cursor to a multi-eternity? hmm, maybe, but i think the proof is pretty weak and the fact that it is a what if detracts from it even more. the idea that all eternities share a united consciousness interesting. i would need to see more proof than that ancient what if though.

Abraxas.