Marine Sniper Unit Poses with SS logo

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
They're probably trolling. They should be cautioned, but not kicked out of the army.

Also, why is it an outrage that these guys posed in front of a controversial flag, yet it isn't an outrage the way certain soldiers deal with citizens of invaded countries - rape, murder, torture...etc.

Priorities are all wrong.

Different topic but yeah, the wars were despicable as is any situation wherein a war of choice is fought. However a war motivated by thievery is a relatively, by a micron, better than a war of extermination. The news story coming out today about a US military camp being named "Camp Aryan" doesn't bode well.

I wonder what other camp names they have in use. Camp Fatherland? Camp Treblinka? Camp Tuol Sleng? Camp Lubyanka?

Originally posted by Darth Jello
I wonder what other camp names they have in use. Camp Fatherland? Camp Treblinka? Camp Tuol Sleng? Camp Lubyanka?

If they are the Aryans types, I would expect the name "Camp Totenkopfverbände" to show up...but it's too long.

Originally posted by dadudemon
If they are the Aryans types, I would expect the name "Camp Totenkopfverbände" to show up...but it's too long.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Let's rewind the conversation to where we are on the same page:

I expanded that and explained it: Yes, there should be lower speech standards required of our military personnel compared to...say...our nannies.

To address this new question you are asking me:

Should there be a difference in speech standards between private workforce and the US Military forces? Yes: some areas would be more strict and some areas would be less strict for military personnel.

To be even more specific about your question: it's quite obvious that the US military personnel should never fly or sport 3rd Reich symbols for extremely obvious diplomatic reasons.

But my comment to you question was NOT specifically about that: it was much more general. I simply answered your question directly: yes, there should be lower speech standards for military personnel depending on your definition of "standard" (and later how i defined "morals"😉.

The depends. Do you know how many factors would play into the scenario you just brought up?

Is your school a state institution? Does a majority of its funding come from the state? Does a significant enough proportion come from the state enough to have the government decide on speech practices in your school? Is wearing that armband protected by speech rights? What is or are your reasons for wearing that armband? Will you be displaying any symbols on the armband (because this is the difference between a Nazi Armband and a version of the Red Cross armband...pretty huge). Does your military have any rules regarding what can and cannot be worn on their person while not in uniform? Are red armbands banned at all time for active duty personnel? Man, I'm tired of the questions...moving on to my actual point...

A better question to ask me, that would have been in line with the context of my post, would have been this:

"Would it be more or less okay for me to curse up a storm in front of my first year students than it would be in front of my Canadian Army platoon?"

The answer is generally "no, it would not be okay to do so in front of the class but might be okay in front of the platoon".

Yes, our standards for US Military personnel should be lower than it is for other areas. Depending on how you define "standard".

no, the actual question I was asking was with specific regard to nazi paraphernalia. If you want to deconstruct what I'm saying to talk about red-cross stuff, it seems like you are deliberately missing the point...

So, am I to assume you think it is more ok for the military to parade around in front of Nazi symbols than for the average person?

Originally posted by inimalist
no, the actual question I was asking was with specific regard to nazi paraphernalia. If you want to deconstruct what I'm saying to talk about red-cross stuff, it seems like you are deliberately missing the point...

I directly addressed that in the post you quoted. Did you read my post or read the first few sentences as responded?

Also, what context you want to applied to the original post of yours I responded to does not matter: Jinx was speaking in general and you responded to it with a very general statement. I responded to that.

If you are not interested in discussing that aspect of speech from military personnel, just say so.

Originally posted by inimalist
So, am I to assume you think it is more ok for the military to parade around in front of Nazi symbols than for the average person?

Is that stated in the post you quoted?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I directly addressed that in the post you quoted. Did you read my post or read the first few sentences as responded?

Also, what context you want to applied to the original post of yours I responded to does not matter: Jinx was speaking in general and you responded to it with a very general statement. I responded to that.

If you are not interested in discussing that aspect of speech from military personnel, just say so.

Is that stated in the post you quoted?

fair enough, I thought the "red armband" would have been descriptive enough, in a thread talking about nazi symbolism, to mean I actually meant a swastika and such, but ya, stuff is muddled sometimes.

No, I read your post, I was really just looking to clarify, you seem to be all over the place with different standards for different situations, which sure, we agree on.

to be fair, Jinx wasn't being very general. He was saying pretty bluntly that it should be acceptable for people in the military to bare nazi symbols because they risk their life. Nor, given the context of my reply and the topic of the thread, was my response, but true, stuff is much less clear in text.

Originally posted by inimalist
fair enough, I thought the "red armband" would have been descriptive enough, in a thread talking about nazi symbolism, to mean I actually meant a swastika and such, but ya, stuff is muddled sometimes.

I directly addressed that in the post you quoted. Did you read my post or read the first few sentences as responded?

Originally posted by inimalist
No, I read your post,

I don't agree. Maybe you're ignoring the portion where I directly addressed what you asked?

Originally posted by inimalist
to be fair, Jinx wasn't being very general. He was saying pretty bluntly that it should be acceptable for people in the military to bare nazi symbols because they risk their life. Nor, given the context of my reply and the topic of the thread, was my response, but true, stuff is much less clear in text.

I disagree here, as well. He was being general about lower standards needing to apply to military personnel, when it comes to free speech, because of what they do. His comment is obviously spurred by the topic in this thread, for sure.

Your question to him also made an implicit point which is part of your standard posting style. I picked up on that and stated that the point you're making with your point would very much be variable depending on definitions applied.

To the thread topic as you want it to be extremely close to: yes, military personnel should get to pretend to be whomever they want to be as long as it doesn't violate any treaties, intentional laws, bla bla bla. I don't know if SS is illegal to fly: but the military has guidelines against it. If it is not illegal, let them fly an SS flag.

To throw an entirely different angle into it...Why shouldn't we hijack these flags and symbols of fascism and oppression? Lord knows fascists have done it long enough to symbols of good. Including the Nazis. It's happening/happened in Britain where the Union Flag has been appropriated by far right groups to the point where it's considered offensive in some circles.

So why not try and change the meaning of a symbol by using it in a different context.

clearly it was a 'kiss' logo banner and the "KI" fell off. GO USA!!!

I'm not sure if anyone here knows this, but the SS were also a crack military unit that was designed to be used as shock troops. Mostly they [SS] are correllated with the death camps because some SS units ran death camps. Maybe the snipers are trying to saying two things: "we're shock troops and bring death to our enemies." Who knows, but I personally find this picture distasteful.

Hitler would love modern America

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Hitler would love modern America

^ lol all serious. Smoke one.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Hitler would love modern America

Yes, but he would simply want to improve it. 😐

Originally posted by Mairuzu
^ lol all serious. Smoke one.

He could never admire a country in any case that props up Israel.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Hitler liked Looney Tunes and forcible relocation of Native Americans, everything else about America he despised.

He could never admire a country in any case that props up Israel.

There is two problems with your argument. Hitler praised the US in his early writings (this is based on a history channel program that I saw some time in the past) and Israel did not exist until after the war.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Hitler liked Looney Tunes and forcible relocation of Native Americans, everything else about America he despised.

He could never admire a country in any case that props up Israel.

Not that that means anything.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
I'm not sure if anyone here knows this, but the SS were also a crack military unit that was designed to be used as shock troops. Mostly they [SS] are correllated with the death camps because some SS units ran death camps. Maybe the snipers are trying to saying two things: "we're shock troops and bring death to our enemies." Who knows, but I personally find this picture distasteful.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is two problems with your argument. Hitler praised the US in his early writings (this is based on a history channel program that I saw some time in the past) and Israel did not exist until after the war.

(2) That doesn't refute my argument at all. How you think it could is beyond me. We're talking about if Hitler was still alive today. And he certainly would think poorly of America for supporting Israel even if they were doing great in his view on every other level.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Snow White was also his favorite movie.

Not that that means anything.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Hitler would love modern America

Yeah, he probably would love modern America, but what he'd REALLY be pleased about is European Union. That might have even made him jizz from happiness.