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Originally posted by Darth Jello
Different topic but yeah, the wars were despicable as is any situation wherein a war of choice is fought. However a war motivated by thievery is a relatively, by a micron, better than a war of extermination. The news story coming out today about a US military camp being named "Camp Aryan" doesn't bode well.

I wonder what other camp names they have in use. Camp Fatherland? Camp Treblinka? Camp Tuol Sleng? Camp Lubyanka?

There's absolutely no difference. It doesn't make it any better, extermination or thievery, because people die. One doesn't make the other ''nobler''. They're equally bad.

But yes, the name of that camp doesn't bode well, considering the only true Aryans are Persians.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
There's absolutely no difference. It doesn't make it any better, extermination or thievery, because people die. One doesn't make the other ''nobler''. They're equally bad.

But yes, the name of that camp doesn't bode well, considering the only true Aryans are Persians.

That's a hard position to justify unless you think that intentions and actual results are irrelevant to weighing different crimes of the same vague order.

Like...robbing a house and killing the owner in a scuffle=same as going into a house and raping and immolating the entire household because they're a different race? Is that what you're saying?

Because people die in both cases. I mean like OMG.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
(1) As I said, he did find some things admirable (cartoons and Manifest Destiny mostly) but even the qualities of America that were good to him were tainted in his view by the fact that according to him all facets of America were Jew-Run. To him America was dangerous because it was an essentially "Aryan" nation run by Jews.

(2) That doesn't refute my argument at all. How you think it could is beyond me. We're talking about if Hitler was still alive today. And he certainly would think poorly of America for supporting Israel even if they were doing great in his view on every other level....

I don't spend much time thinking about what Hitler would think of anything. So, I'll have to give it a thought or two.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't spend much time thinking about what Hitler would think of anything. So, I'll have to give it a thought or two.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So you're saying the War in Iraq and the Nazi campaign in Europe are the same thing?

That's a hard position to justify unless you think that intentions and actual results are irrelevant to weighing different crimes of the same vague order.

Like...robbing a house and killing the owner in a scuffle=same as going into a house and raping and immolating the entire household because they're a different race? Is that what you're saying?

Because people die in both cases. I mean like OMG.

Intent is everything. After all, in a hundred and twenty years every person alive now, will be dead, give or take a few. So, the greater wrong would be the person who killed the family because of their race. Genocide has happened in the past, but it must not be allowed in the future. Killing an individual brings suffering to a small group of people, but attacking someone because of their race, brings suffering to humanity as a whole. IMHO

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Dodge?

The truth. I ran out of arguments. I had everything set in my mind for Hitler in the past, but you are right, we are talking about now.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So you're saying the War in Iraq and the Nazi campaign in Europe are the same thing?

That's a hard position to justify unless you think that intentions and actual results are irrelevant to weighing different crimes of the same vague order.

Like...robbing a house and killing the owner in a scuffle=same as going into a house and raping and immolating the entire household because they're a different race? Is that what you're saying?

Because people die in both cases. I mean like OMG.

No, actually, what I'm saying is ''raping and killing for greed'' is no better than ''raping and killing because of hate''.

Same crime with different motives, not similar crime and similar motives. Your analogy doesn't make sense.

Someone went into a home and raped and killed the entire family for greed, and someone went into a home and raped and killed the entire family for their belief/skin colour.

Both are equally unacceptable and horrendous and both families experienced exactly the same horror and fate. Motives of the killer are different, but the crime is the same.
How can the judge be more sympathetic to one crime? That would not be fair.

Also, comparing Nazi Germany with America in Iraq is just silly. Noone made that comparison.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Also, comparing Nazi Germany with America in Iraq is just silly. Noone made that comparison.

I made that comparison. War Crimes were being discussed and I pointed out how many we committed in Iraq (made a list of 10 off the top of my head).

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No, actually, what I'm saying is ''raping and killing for greed'' is no better than ''raping and killing because of hate''.

Same crime with different motives, not similar crime and similar motives. Your analogy doesn't make sense.

Someone went into a home and raped and killed the entire family for greed, and someone went into a home and raped and killed the entire family for their belief/skin colour.

Both are equally unacceptable and horrendous and both families experienced exactly the same horror and fate. Motives of the killer are different, but the crime is the same.
How can the judge be more sympathetic to one crime? That would not be fair.

Also, comparing Nazi Germany with America in Iraq is just silly. Noone made that comparison.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I made that comparison. War Crimes were being discussed and I pointed out how many we committed in Iraq (made a list of 10 off the top of my head).

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
But dude, think of all the freedom and liberty you pelted the Iraqis in the face with. They're awash now in a sea of freberty.

Just in time for us to back out and let their real enemy take over.