Originally posted by carver9
What was the writers intention? When you answer this, provide a scan please "since you are not the writer".
Originally posted by Silent Master
Writer's intentions?Like how it was the writer's intention for Silver Age Mangog to be a good fight for skyfathers, which would make this a spite thread?
If you created a villain to have the power of a billion billion god like beings (average Asgardian strength each or more) then you wouldn't have the villain boast "A billion billion beings" knowing most comic readers (kids usually) would construe it to mean human like beings since this amount is still astronomical. Rather you would say "A billion billion gods" or something to that effect.
Clearly a billion billion human level beings is beyond imagination (over 40 quadrillion tons of strength) and can outclass ANY herald level being on their average day (even Superman). But Superman is at his best here. Otherwise he would not win a majority.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Prove too us with panel feats of Superman quadrillion strength bullsh**, You show us Superman having enough power on Classic Odin level too stop Silver Age MAngog, prove to us which we all doubt, that you know 🤨 you are talking about, which you dont. You so quick to call somebody bias, of all people you are the most bias jack a$$ on this site beside quan, you make look reasonable compare too your ignorance!
Superman has feats far beyond the quadrillion range. Try Mageddon or the Starbreaker feat. Energy blasts and blunt force trauma are two different things.
Skyfathers aren't as strong as Superman physically is and thus they need to rely on magical energy based powers to beat beings that outclass them physically. Energy blasts and blunt force trauma aren't the same thing.
Originally posted by h1a8Everything you are saying is still incorrect.
If you created a villain to have the power of a billion billion god like beings (average Asgardian strength each or more) then you wouldn't have the villain boast "A billion billion beings" knowing most comic readers (kids usually) would construe it to mean human like beings since this amount is still astronomical. Rather you would say "A billion billion gods" or something to that effect.Clearly a billion billion human level beings is beyond imagination (over 40 quadrillion tons of strength) and can outclass ANY herald level being on their average day (even Superman). But Superman is at his best here. Otherwise he would not win a majority.
Superman has feats far beyond the quadrillion range. Try Mageddon or the Starbreaker feat. Energy blasts and blunt force trauma are two different things.
Skyfathers aren't as strong as Superman physically is and thus they need to rely on magical energy based powers to beat beings that outclass them physically. Energy blasts and blunt force trauma aren't the same thing.
Originally posted by h1a8
If you created a villain to have the power of a billion billion god like beings (average Asgardian strength each or more) then you wouldn't have the villain boast "A billion billion beings" knowing most comic readers (kids usually) would construe it to mean human like beings since this amount is still astronomical. Rather you would say "A billion billion gods" or something to that effect.Clearly a billion billion human level beings is beyond imagination (over 40 quadrillion tons of strength) and can outclass ANY herald level being on their average day (even Superman). But Superman is at his best here. Otherwise he would not win a majority.
Superman has feats far beyond the quadrillion range. Try Mageddon or the Starbreaker feat. Energy blasts and blunt force trauma are two different things.
Skyfathers aren't as strong as Superman physically is and thus they need to rely on magical energy based powers to beat beings that outclass them physically. Energy blasts and blunt force trauma aren't the same thing.
This statement shows that you don't 🤨 you are talking about as usual, you trying so hard but failing at every turn, you just showing us that you are troll with nothing bullsh** logic
Originally posted by h1a8None of this makes any sense.
If you created a villain to have the power of a billion billion god like beings (average Asgardian strength each or more) then you wouldn't have the villain boast "A billion billion beings" knowing most comic readers (kids usually) would construe it to mean human like beings since this amount is still astronomical. Rather you would say "A billion billion gods" or something to that effect.Clearly a billion billion human level beings is beyond imagination (over 40 quadrillion tons of strength) and can outclass ANY herald level being on their average day (even Superman). But Superman is at his best here. Otherwise he would not win a majority.
Superman has feats far beyond the quadrillion range. Try Mageddon or the Starbreaker feat. Energy blasts and blunt force trauma are two different things.
Skyfathers aren't as strong as Superman physically is and thus they need to rely on magical energy based powers to beat beings that outclass them physically. Energy blasts and blunt force trauma aren't the same thing.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The obvious truth is that your arguments are getting dumber.
Arguing the writers intention about the billion billion beings as why Thor had no chance physically
is not a dumber argument.
Obviously if a being is physically above a billion billion beings then they can physically harm Mangog.
Let me ask you something. On average what strength level do you think classic Thor was written on (100-1000ton range, 1000-10000ton range,...) especially around that time he fought Mangog.
IMO, classic Thor was written on average at the 200-2000 ton range just by looking at how he was hitting things, throwing things, etc.
Originally posted by Silent MasterAlthough irrelevant to the discussion (as you will see), which comic are you referring to when you say wrapping around the World Tree?
Stop trying to use handbook numbers, Classic Thor had strength feats as high as lifting the Midgard Serpent off the Earth and then IIRC wrapping it around the World Tree.
I used handbook numbers???????????????
The handbook says Thor is class 100. That means he can lift in excess of 100 tons. That could mean 101 tons or a googol tons or a bazillion tons or even more.
Where do the handbook gives a closed range like I did for Thor?
I'm going by comics dude. I didn't say Thor at his best is 200-2000tons, rather I said AVERAGE classic Thor. Catch those key words. Certainly Thor didn't have Midgard Serpent strength when he fought mongoose, tried to break free of some ice he was frozen in, was shot by a bullet, or etc. On average, (please don't misconstrue that again) Thor was around 200-2000 tons. It's obvious by the way he was hitting things, throwing things, fighting beings that we know aren't greater in strength than a few thousand tons, etc.
Originally posted by h1a8
Although irrelevant to the discussion (as you will see), which comic are you referring to when you say wrapping around the World Tree?I used handbook numbers???????????????
The handbook says Thor is class 100. That means he can lift in excess of 100 tons. That could mean 101 tons or a googol tons or a bazillion tons or even more.
Where do the handbook gives a closed range like I did for Thor?I'm going by comics dude. I didn't say Thor at his best is 200-2000tons, rather I said AVERAGE classic Thor. Catch those key words. Certainly Thor didn't have Midgard Serpent strength when he fought mongoose, tried to break free of some ice he was frozen in, was shot by a bullet, or etc. On average, (please don't misconstrue that again) Thor was around 200-2000 tons. It's obvious by the way he was hitting things, throwing things, fighting beings that we know aren't greater in strength than a few thousand tons, etc.
Oh STFU!!
Thor=Superman in strength and greater Superman in other abilities!! Feat wise they are even, and your numbes are laughable beyond comprehensions
You still haven't prove too US that Superman can generate enough power to the level of classic Odin, we are waiting for your BS panel proof!!
Originally posted by h1a8
Although irrelevant to the discussion (as you will see), which comic are you referring to when you say wrapping around the World Tree?I used handbook numbers???????????????
The handbook says Thor is class 100. That means he can lift in excess of 100 tons. That could mean 101 tons or a googol tons or a bazillion tons or even more.
Where do the handbook gives a closed range like I did for Thor?I'm going by comics dude. I didn't say Thor at his best is 200-2000tons, rather I said AVERAGE classic Thor. Catch those key words. Certainly Thor didn't have Midgard Serpent strength when he fought mongoose, tried to break free of some ice he was frozen in, was shot by a bullet, or etc. On average, (please don't misconstrue that again) Thor was around 200-2000 tons. It's obvious by the way he was hitting things, throwing things, fighting beings that we know aren't greater in strength than a few thousand tons, etc.
Stop using handbook numbers.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Oh STFU!!Thor=Superman in strength and greater Superman in other abilities!!
YOu still havent prove too US that Superman can generate enough power to the level of classic odin, we are waiting for your BS logic!!
How do you determine who is stronger? Isn't it quantifiable feats? If so then why do you say there equal in strength? Also, in all Thor comics he isn't always the same strength. His average strength is far from his top strength he has ever shown. There are many places where Thor was operating under a million tons.
Energy blast and physical blunt attacks are two different things. One has burning and matter manipulation ability and the other doesn't. I can be fire proof but not bullet proof. I can be bullet proof but not fire proof. I can be laser proof but not shatter proof.
Originally posted by h1a8
How do you determine who is stronger? Isn't it quantifiable feats? If so then why do you say there equal in strength? Also, in all Thor comics he isn't always the same strength. His average strength is far from his top strength he has ever shown. There are many places where Thor was operating under a million tons.Energy blast and physical blunt attacks are two different things. One has burning and matter manipulation ability and the other doesn't. I can be fire proof but not bullet proof. I can be bullet proof but not fire proof. I can be laser proof but not shatter proof.
Feat wise Thor has operated over millions tons, you a re not a expert so stop trying to act like yu know 🤨 you are talking about.
Damn you believe your own bullsh** classic 🙄 !! That still change the fact that Superman is not on Classic Odin level power to even f**k with Silver Age Mangog.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Feat wise Thor has operated over millions tons, you a re not a expert so stop trying to act like yu know 🤨 you are talking about.Damn you believe your own bullsh** classic 🙄 !! That still change the fact that Superman is not on Classic Odin level power to even f**k with Silver Age Mangog.
Again you show true signs of bias and trolling by ignoring my argument. I didn't claim that Thor at his best couldn't operate above a million tons. I said classic Thor (not current) operates on average (average get it?) under a million tons. Also you are still equating blast energy with blunt force of punches, the penetration of bullets, or the cutting with sharp objects. So Superman being on Classic Odin level argument makes no sense.
Just because two beings have feats above a million tons doesn't make them equals in the strength dept. Superman is still stronger than Diana for instance.
Again, why do you say that Thor is equals to Superman in strength when quantifiable feats says otherwise? And please refrain from the dumb "since they both have feats well over a million tons then they are equals" argument because it is false as I have proven above.