Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Those huge scans have absolutely nothing to do with anything... at all. I can't fathom how you think they actually have anything to do with Surfer traveling fast.
So let me get this straight, you try to downplay superman's nanosecond feat by first mentioning "guess my timing was little off" and then by "four panels" but Living tribunal saying that the speed has no relevancy when surfer was all "my speed is the shit" has no meaning here. Hypocrisy much. The same thing happened here when superman went into the source, he was travelling at ftl in relation to him but in the normal space-time he was moving like a turtle
Surfer may have gone ftl but it can't be used as a normal feat for him.
It was me who brought Superman into this because I responded to Juntai with a scan of Surfer. Do you proof read what you write?
No, but I don't go on a rant how surfer is being treated unfairly here like you did
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
[B]Replace "Surfer" with "Superman", and only then can it be considered in any way "proof"
Also, not that I intend to spark another conversation with you since well, this is awful, but Superman claiming what he can do is different than Surfer saying what he's DOING.
And he was a statue to Surfer, and shocked, that's why. Surfer directly went faster than light in a combat situation, it doesn't matter what the other guy did.
Guess what surfer isn't so untouchable at ftl speed too
So much for being a statue.
I've already answered that. And you got angry just over a scan with no writing... so...
You are a massive fanboy though. I mean, that much is obvious. Even without this... whatever the hell this is.
You questioning what I claim has nothing to do with that because what I claimed is so insanely a fact that I didn't think anyone was actually stupid enough to go against what's spelled out in the comic.
Like I said try something better than calling me a fanboy.
The only way it could be more proof is if Surfer said this:
"I'm going faster than light and abhilegend is completely wrong"It's like I have to just debate with people who have been stricken with idiocy today... and H1. [/B]
Lulz.
Originally posted by Badabing
Two reports by the posters who were reported. 😐Stop trolling and bashing or it will be a ban.
Please use thumbnails or links for scans.
Originally posted by abhilegendBecause Living Tribunal was telling him that time wasn't flowing therefore his speed couldn't be tracked. It doesn't mean he was going slower, it means there was no time in the universe. Only Surfer could keep track of his speed.
So let me get this straight, you try to downplay superman's nanosecond feat by first mentioning "guess my timing was little off" and then by "four panels" but Living tribunal saying that the speed has no relevancy when surfer was all "my speed is the shit" has no meaning here. Hypocrisy much. The same thing happened here when superman went into the source, he was travelling at ftl in relation to him but in the normal space-time he was moving like a turtleSurfer may have gone ftl but it can't be used as a normal feat for him.
You know the difference between those scans are? Surfer was flying around without any slowdown. Time was stopped. Surfer was unaffected.
And Superman was still going light speed, it's just it didn't matter.
I like how you throw "normal space" in there when normal space was statues.
But I thought Surfer wasn't going FTL? Why will you accept him going FTL now when time was stopped but not when SURFER SAID HE WAS GOING FASTER THAN LIGHT.
Surfer was going faster than light against a foe equally unaffected by the time stop. Surfer saying he's going faster than light goes against the whole thing by itself.
Originally posted by abhilegendWhat a rant.
No, but I don't go on a rant how surfer is being treated unfairly here like you did
Originally posted by abhilegend
Guess what surfer isn't so untouchable at ftl speed tooSo much for being a statue.
I've already answered that. And you got angry just over a scan with no writing... so...
...
You know what, I'm not even going to answer that, I'll just let you figure that one out for yourself.
Originally posted by abhilegendWhat else should I call you? Not a fanboy? Not an idiot?
Like I said try something better than calling me a fanboy.Lulz.
You're a wonderful specimen of human intelligence. Carry on with your unique view. 🙂
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Because Living Tribunal was telling him that time wasn't flowing therefore his speed couldn't be tracked. It doesn't mean he was going slower, it means there was no time in the universe. Only Surfer could keep track of his speed.
You must've some special glasses to read between sentences, bieb. He was telling surfer that the concept of speed has no meaning in that instant.
You know the difference between those scans are? Surfer was flying around without any slowdown. Time was stopped. Surfer was unaffected.
And Superman was still going light speed, it's just it didn't matter.
No, they both were isolated from normal time-space and were unable to determine how fast they were going untill told by someone that their speed had no meaning in that particular instant. Surfer was plucked from that time-freeze by LT, that's how he was unaffected.
I like how you throw "normal space" in there when normal space was statues.
He wasn't in normal space-time continuum, so what are you gonna tell it? He even spelled it out for you
But I thought Surfer wasn't going FTL? Why will you accept him going FTL now when time was stopped but not when SURFER SAID HE WAS GOING FASTER THAN LIGHT.
I never said surfer was going ftl, I said he may or may not be ftl in that instant. My main beef with this instant is that he said to deathurge "you may have difficulties with someone [b]who moves faster than light and yet deathurge stands completely still and commands surfer to look at his face. Now either deathurge is ftl too or surfer wasn't ftl at the moment. Pick one.
Surfer was going faster than light against a foe equally unaffected by the time stop. Surfer saying he's going faster than light goes against the whole thing by itself.
What does being unaffected has to do with deathurge's speed? What does that even mean?
What a rant.
Yeah, yeah I know.
Surfer looking into Deathurge's face is proof that he isn't untouchable at FTL speed......
You know what, I'm not even going to answer that, I'll just let you figure that one out for yourself.
Hey, I didn't claim that deathurge was a statue against surfer's speed, I mean an exclamation mark totally means he was a statue doesn't it?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
And he was a statue to Surfer, and shocked, that's why. Surfer directly went faster than light in a combat situation, it doesn't matter what the other guy did.
Awful mobile and chatty for a statue, isn't he
What else should I call you? Not a fanboy? Not an idiot?
Oh wait, you'll probably just report me like you and ODG did to each other...
The same you call everyone who tries to have a debate with you. I didn't know questioning someone's feat is termed as fanboyism. I report ODG because he was bashing me at every time he could, why did he report me I don't know. I wouldn't report you untill you start bashing constantly which you're starting to do now.
You're a wonderful specimen of human intelligence. Carry on with your unique view. 🙂 [/B]
Yeah, I can agree with someone's measurement of my intellect who thinks "four panels means slower than one panel". You are obviously a masterpiece on your own, carry on with your "unique perspective".
Originally posted by abhilegendOr I'm understanding it the way it makes the most sense, instead of just going "lol speed had no meaning, therefore Surfer didn't move that fast"
You must've some special glasses to read between sentences, bieb. He was telling surfer that the concept of speed has no meaning in that instant.
That's the simplistic explanation anyway.
Surfer who knows how fast he's going, says he's going faster than light. That in itself goes against your theory. Surfer actually moving goes against that theory too for that matter.
It was in all honesty it was just a fancy way of telling Surfer that time was stopped.
And I'm still not sure how this could possibly go against the feat as well. Surfer didn't gain extra powers. He was just in a static environment. Time stopping around him would have no effect on him since he was outside the influence of it. Unless you can give a reasonable explanation tying that scan into Surfer's and then explain why Surfer would state that he's going faster than light...
Originally posted by abhilegendDo you think I never read the comic or something? I know why Surfer was unaffected, I never said he overcame the time freeze under his own power, I said he was unaffected by it. And you showing me a scan of LT making Surfer unaffected by the timefreeze doesn't go against anything I said.
No, they both were isolated from normal time-space and were unable to determine how fast they were going untill told by someone that their speed had no meaning in that particular instant. Surfer was plucked from that time-freeze by LT, that's how he was unaffected.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't in normal space-time continuum, so what are you gonna tell it? He even spelled it out for you
I said normal space was statues. You showed me... normal space being statues.
Originally posted by abhilegendYet you completely ruled it out earlier.
I never said surfer was going ftl, I said he may or may not be ftl in that instant. My main beef with this instant is that he said to deathurge "you may have difficulties with someone [b]who moves faster than light and yet deathurge stands completely still and commands surfer to look at his face. Now either deathurge is ftl too or surfer wasn't ftl at the moment. Pick one.[/B]
Deathurge is FTL because he talked to Surfer? I don't think that's how comics work...
Also, in case you haven't noticed, I never said Surfer was traveling that fast the whole time, just when he spun around him. And if he was going slow before or after, that doesn't mean he wasn't going faster than light when he said he was.
Personally, I think Surfer slowed down when he fired said blast that he thought would end it, but that's my assumption. He got too cocky and slowed down.
Now tell me why - if my assumption is 100% correct - that this goes against Surfer traveling faster than light.
Let me answer that. It doesn't. It can't possibly.
We already have proof that Surfer was going faster than light, and it doesn't matter what he does afterwards since he was going said speed at one point in time. It doesn't matter if Surfer was going faster than light still, or he wasn't. He was in the scan I showed, and that's all that matters.
If Deathurge turned into adamantium and stood perfectly still, it would have still been Surfer going faster than light around a small area.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What does being unaffected has to do with deathurge's speed? What does that even mean?
Do you understand?
Originally posted by abhilegendA sentence constitutes as a rant to you.
Yeah, yeah I know.
Originally posted by abhilegendYou're saying Deathurge wasn't extremely slow compared to Surfer because Surfer looked at his face...
Hey, I didn't claim that deathurge was a statue against surfer's speed, I mean an exclamation mark totally means he was a statue doesn't it?
Also, even if Deathurge was able to tag Surfer when Surfer was going faster than light, then Deathurge tagged someone going faster than light so...
Deathurge would have gained lightspeed reflexes since he TAGGED SOMEONE GOING FASTER THAN LIGHT
Really a terrible point on your behalf either way.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Awful mobile and chatty for a [b]statue, isn't he
Originally posted by abhilegend
The same you call everyone who tries to have a debate with you. I didn't know questioning someone's feat is termed as fanboyism. I report ODG because he was bashing me at every time he could, why did he report me I don't know. I wouldn't report you untill you start bashing constantly which you're starting to do now.
Also, questioning someone's feat isn't termed as fanboyism. Questioning someone's feat when you think it threatens your favorite character, posting a bunch of scans of your favorite character because of the one scan that you think threatens said character, and being a known fanboy however...
Because I find it hard to "debate" with someone who's so... lost, that it takes 'special words' to articulate what I think of said person. I'm also pretty sure you're trolling, since I find it hard to believe the daftness represented here, so yes, please report me. See how that turns out for you. 🙂
"I reported bran because I'm outright ignoring what's stated on panel (trolling)... but then he got irritated of me so he called me a fanboy! And that's why I reported him."
I want to see Bada's reaction to that one, especially after he just warned you and ODG to stop trolling.
Originally posted by abhilegend"It went off faster"
Yeah, I can agree with someone's measurement of my intellect who thinks "four panels means slower than one panel". You are obviously a masterpiece on your own, carry on with your "unique perspective".
"Surfer wasn't traveling faster than light because Surfer was saying he was traveling faster than light."
God I hope I have to go to work tomorrow because this is an astonishingly stupid argument. One shouldn't have to defend a character saying he's traveling faster than light just because said character said he was going faster than light.
Actually Surfer never said he was going faster than light but that he can.
But my position on it is that he did reach faster than light speed but after or during the sentence he was stating. Thus it could have taken him anywhere from 1-3 seconds for him to reach light speed. A better feat is the Thanos IG one.
It trumps the Deathurge feat by a lot.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Or I'm understanding it the way it makes the most sense, instead of just going "lol speed had no meaning, therefore Surfer didn't move that fast"
Time wasn't flowing, which means the concept of speed has no meaning. It doesn't mean a character can't fly faster than light, sound, or a turtle, if they're outside the time stream. It means that time isn't being tracked. For the people outside the time stream it simply means that time isn't actually flowing around them, but it has no effect on them, outside them having to track their own speed, or guess how much time something would have taken. For the people caught in the effect, it means that nothing's moving. Time isn't flowing so they can't move at all.
That's one way to interpret what happened in that book, but certainly not the absolute explanation. LT directly says to surfer after he says that at his current speed blah, blah, blah that his speed has no relevancy in that instance. You can interpret that by saying that only surfer can calculate his speed but as shown previously by LT he can't. Your interpretation is as valid as mine, but you obviously think that yours is better.
That's the simplistic explanation anyway.
It is.
Surfer who knows how fast he's going, says he's going faster than light. That in itself goes against your theory. Surfer actually moving goes against that theory too for that matter.
He knew? LT says otherwise. You obviously haven't backed your theory of him going ftl in a split second. How does surfer moving goes against my theory?
It was in all honesty it was just a fancy way of telling Surfer that time was stopped.
Perhaps for you, nobody including you has convinced me of it yet.
And I'm still not sure how this could possibly go against the feat as well. Surfer didn't gain extra powers. He was just in a static environment. Time stopping around him would have no effect on him since he was outside the influence of it. Unless you can give a reasonable explanation tying that scan into Surfer's and then explain why Surfer would state that he's going faster than light...
First character statement that they are going to do something only to not accomplish the said goal isn't indicative of something, second just like superman going lightspeed in the source, it can't be used in the normal space-time and third its a crossover which according to kmc rules can't be used in debates.
Do you think I never read the comic or something? I know why Surfer was unaffected, I never said he overcame the time freeze under his own power, I said he was unaffected by it. And you showing me a scan of LT making Surfer unaffected by the timefreeze doesn't go against anything I said.
Ok, I misunderstood you, my bad.
Tell me what you think this contradicts in my post.I said normal space was statues. You showed me... normal space being statues.
What, I just said he wasn't in normal space-time continuum. It wasn't anything to contradict your post.
Yet you completely ruled it out earlier.Deathurge is FTL because he talked to Surfer? I don't think that's how comics work...
Also, in case you haven't noticed, I never said Surfer was traveling that fast the whole time, just when he spun around him. And if he was going slow before or after, that doesn't mean he wasn't going faster than light when he said he was.
Personally, I think Surfer slowed down when he fired said blast that he thought would end it, but that's my assumption. He got too cocky and slowed down.Now tell me why - if my assumption is 100% correct - that this goes against Surfer traveling faster than light.
Let me answer that. It doesn't. It can't possibly.
We already have proof that Surfer was going faster than light, and it doesn't matter what he does afterwards since he was going said speed at one point in time. It doesn't matter if Surfer was going faster than light still, or he wasn't. He was in the scan I showed, and that's all that matters.If Deathurge turned into adamantium and stood perfectly still, it would have still been Surfer going faster than light around a small area.
I never ruled it out completely, I just don't give character statements that much weight. So now its comics don't act like that way, good argument. Why would surfer slow down to blast deathurge, he can't blast at lightspeed or something? If he just spun around him doing nothing then that's obviously a case of travel speed not combat speed. Yeah we obviously have concrete proof of surfer going ftl, did you notice the last few pages why we're arguing? Why not, you said deathurge was a statue to surfer by an exclamation mark over his head, we clearly saw that's not the case. You are flip-flopping too much. You talk about the most sensible explanation just above and now you're trying to do something like this. Sad.
It means that Surfer went faster than light against someone not under the timestop's influence.
Both Surfer and Deathurge weren't affected by the timestop.
And Surfer went faster than light against Deathurge. It was real time for these two charactersDo you understand?
Oh yeah, I understand it completely, surfer claiming he was ftl and deathurge would've problems to do something to him now but deathurge stood completely still and commanded surfer to look at his face which directly contradicts your "statue" theory. They weren't in normal space-time continuum and saying that timestop didn't work for them isn't a proof for them being in real time when surfer said they were isolated from time-stream.
A sentence constitutes as a rant to you.
Obviously not but this is rapidly becoming one.
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Did you forget the part where surfer was having a conversation at those "ftl" speed while deathurge was standing still and deathurge commanding him to look at his face, Now compare a speedblitz from someone like say spiderman and you would find how idiotic your point is. Heck superman changed an amped livewire's clothes at such speed that she couldn't even react.
Also, even if Deathurge was able to tag Surfer when Surfer was going faster than light, then Deathurge tagged someone going faster than light so...
Deathurge would have gained lightspeed reflexes since he TAGGED SOMEONE GOING FASTER THAN LIGHT
Really a terrible point on your behalf either way.
NO WEI!! I'M USING CAPS SO IT MUST BE RIGHT. I understood it completely when you said it on the previous line. No need to repeat yourself.
Yes. Being a statue to someone else's speed doesn't mean you can't talk... or it show a panel of your head not moving...
He's a statue to Surfer, not to the reader.
Wow, talk about a terrible point, you are really grasping at straws here.
The only people I call a fanboy are you and Carver... actually, not so much Carver. And the only people I bash are zopzop, Carver, Quan, and H1.
Everyone sure can be narrowed down can't it?
Tell me something I did fanboyish here, I'm just questioning an ambiguous feat in special circumstances. I can call you a surfer fanboy as well, but what would it accomplish other than showing you can't debate with someone who disagrees with you without calling them fanboys?
Also, questioning someone's feat isn't termed as fanboyism. Questioning someone's feat when you think it threatens your favorite character, posting a bunch of scans of your favorite character because of the one scan that you think threatens said character, and being a known fanboy however...
Lulz threatened by what, a scan of surfer saying he was going ftl? I didn't brought superman's speed, you however did in response to juntai that superman can't go ftl in "lol" a split second.
I only posted those scans when you brought up superman's "lack" of such feats. Superman's my favorite but I don't give him wins where he shouldn't, I give thor a split, I give surfer 6/10 against him, but obviously a surfer "fan" is offended if superman is better than surfer in any way other than strength and some argue about strength too. It wasn't me who was threatened by a random scan, it was you when juntai said superman was superior to surfer in combat speed.
I didn't brought up "four panels are slower than one" or "timing off" comment to call you a fanboy when you are obviously acting like a fanboy here.
Because I find it hard to "debate" with someone who's so... lost, that it takes 'special words' to articulate what I think of said person. I'm also pretty sure you're trolling, since I find it hard to believe the daftness represented here, so yes, please report me. See how that turns out for you. 🙂
Lulz, coming from someone like "you" its not very surprising. You have a long history of making people go overboard with your veiled insults, nice try though. pretty sure bada was telling me not to post huge scans considering he has to recently edit ODG's posts its not hard to figure out who was trolling/bashing here. Try some more insults and check for yourself how it turns out for you and me, why don't you?
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Lulz at this. I am bringing scans to prove my point, but obviously I'm the one trolling here.
I want to see Bada's reaction to that one, especially after he just warned you and ODG to stop trolling.
Ask bada who was trolling there yourself.
