Originally posted by psycho gundam
sometimesrumble dismantled devastator with his piston rams creating shockwaved on the floor (the floor being the hull of astrotrain, so that's another point deducted in the theory) in the REAL transformers movie, and rumble is just one of soundwave's cassette minions
it's not really a sound argument when transformers are involved
Devastator is the weakest combiner. It's flawed reasoning to use him as a measuring stick of their durability in general.
See Predaking, Abominus, Liokaiser (no sold attacks on numerous occasions), Superion (who tanked multiple blasts that would have otherwise done in individual autobots in Season 3) etc.
People are getting too hung up on the definition of the Anvil and its power. I mean seriously, it's a comic.
Sentry had the power of "a million exploding suns". According to http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/snovcn.html,
A supernova is an explosion of a massive supergiant star. It may shine with the brightness of 10 billion suns! The total energy output may be 10^44 joules, as much as the total output of the sun during its 10 billion year lifetime.
So 1,000,000*10^44, or 1 with 50 zeroes after it (is the equivalent power in suns, with my approximate and made up math)...
By that measure, Bob combing his hair back cause more destruction than the Anvil. But it doesn't matter, because it's all made up by people without physics degrees, and people who don't give a shit about proper units of measurement.
K? Good.
Originally posted by Galan007
But to be fair, Jean 'bathing in the heart of stars' really doesn't mean much in the way of resisting a blast from Sol's Anvil. As has been mentioned: multiple heralds (ie. BRB, Surfer, Thor, Drax, etc. etc.) have done the same--however, they certainly aren't tanking a blast from the Anvil. /shrugWhere her shielding is concerned: frankly, I don't know what she is capable of blocking... But that's not what I'm questioning/debating/talking about, either (before you start.)
But she never just bathed in a sun, she bathed in it and then went on to absorb all of its energy. A prepped Jean is not being harmed by Sols Anvil 🙂
Im pretty sure the issue is that any kind of Sun bathing or direct resistance of Suns, Nova's etc whether from Jean grey, Silver surfer or Thor does not serve as precedent upon which a case for resisting Sol's anvil can be made as to accomplish what it did on panel (greatly harming combined celestials)...it would logically have to be alot more powerful than the levels of attack (bathing in the heart of stars etc) that are mostly being referenced here......Hence better evidence than that for both Jean and all the other characters here needs to be provided.....pretty straightforward stuff
Originally posted by Naija boy
Im pretty sure the issue is that any kind of Sun bathing or direct resistance of Suns, Nova's etc whether from Jean grey, Silver surfer or Thor does not serve as precedent upon which a case for resisting Sol's anvil can be made as to accomplish what it did on panel (greatly harming combined celestials)...it would logically have to be alot more powerful than the levels of attack (bathing in the heart of stars etc) that are mostly being referenced here......Hence better evidence than that for both Jean and all the other characters here needs to be provided.....pretty straightforward stuff
Not really. The posts ive made will suffice. Jean did not just bathe within a star, she went to the centre and absorbed all of its energy into her being as a snack and she was still hungry afterwards. 🙂
Sols Anvil channels portions of energy from the Sun for destructive blasts. Do you believe that a prepped Jean can be harmed by Sols Anvil with this point in mind? 😕
I'd hope not. That would be illogical. 😬
Originally posted by Naija boy👆
Im pretty sure the issue is that any kind of Sun bathing or direct resistance of Suns, Nova's etc whether from Jean grey, Silver surfer or Thor does not serve as precedent upon which a case for resisting Sol's anvil can be made as to accomplish what it did on panel (greatly harming combined celestials)...it would logically have to be alot more powerful than the levels of attack (bathing in the heart of stars etc) that are mostly being referenced here......Hence better evidence than that for both Jean and all the other characters here needs to be provided.....pretty straightforward stuff
errr...absorbing the energy of a star into her being is nice and all and certainly shows that she has great energy absorption but im presuming the intention of the thread starter wasnt to have any of the characters.....(many who absorbing a star would be well within their capabilities)...simply absorb the energy or manipulate it in some way. Galan can make himself clear on this....but im under the impression that they were meant to resist it either with or without shielding as opposed to absorbing/channeling/manipulating etc. Hence here absorption of a star is not that painfully relevant if we are talking about durability or ability to tank the blast....
Im actually two issues behind on the FF stuff so i havent even read Sol's anvil appearances myself and im not trying to make a determination regarding its formidability, just pointing out what seems to be a clear disconnect between the stipulations of the thread and the evidence being provided...for reasons im still not sure of as it is pretty straightforward stuff
Originally posted by Naija boyEven if Jean were capable of absorbing the blast (which I personally doubt), such a tactic isn't allowed for the purposes of this thread.
errr...absorbing the energy of a star into her being is nice and all and certainly shows that she has great energy absorption but im presuming the intention of the thread starter wasnt to have any of the characters.....(many who absorbing a star would be well within their capabilities)...simply absorb the energy or manipulate it in some way. Galan can make himself clear on this....but im under the impression that they were meant to resist it either with or without shielding as opposed to absorbing/channeling/manipulating etc. Hence here absorption of a star is not that painfully relevant if we are talking about durability....Ive actually two issues behind on the FF stuff so i havent even read Sol's anvil appearances myself, just pointing out what seems to be a clear disconnect between the stipulations of the thread and the evidence being provided...
Character durability is mainly what I'm trying to gauge.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/NullBombAbsorb.jpg
Thor > Phoenix > Galactus.
Originally posted by Naija boy
errr...absorbing the energy of a star into her being is nice and all and certainly shows that she has great energy absorption but im presuming the intention of the thread starter wasnt to have any of the characters.....(many who absorbing a star would be well within their capabilities)...simply absorb the energy or manipulate it in some way. Galan can make himself clear on this....but im under the impression that they were meant to resist it either with or without shielding as opposed to absorbing/channeling/manipulating etc. Hence here absorption of a star is not that painfully relevant if we are talking about durability or ability to tank the blast....Im actually two issues behind on the FF stuff so i havent even read Sol's anvil appearances myself and im not trying to make a determination regarding its formidability, just pointing out what seems to be a clear disconnect between the stipulations of the thread and the evidence being provided...for reasons im still not sure of as it is pretty straightforward stuff
Its not a clear disconnect at all. Its a misunderstanding on your behalf, possibly my fault for not making it clear enough where im going with this.
Characters can survive with both their durability and their ability to create a shield, they are prepped.
Jean has shown durability enough to not only withstand the internal energies of a star, but durability enough to go on to absorb all of that energy into her very being. She absorbed the energy of a whole star and was not anywhere near her capacity and this was a Jean with psychic circuit breakers restricting her access to her full power which speaks even more for her durability. I'm not suggesting as a tactic Jean would be manipulating the blast in anyway, not once did i say or even suggest that. What im saying is to be able to bathe in and then take in the energies of an entire star into her body is a feat of durability in itself. The energies her body would have withstood to do so are exponentially greater than a blast from Sols Anvil which is merely channeling a comparatively tiny fraction of a stars power.
Then we havent even gotten into her ability to create shielding. The womans tapped into the nexus of all psychic energy in the multiverse, the living Big Bang which spawned reality. With that in mind its kind of ridiculous to believe that she couldnt easily create shielding to shrug off a blast containing a fraction of the Suns power.
Furthermore the amalgamated Celestials were caught off guard by the attack, there was no prep for them. They had no knowledge that they were going to be attacked. Given Celestials are supposed to be above Cube Beings i doubt Sols Anvil wouldve scratched this amalgamation if it was prepped and bolstered itself for an attack. Please consider everything within context 😬
Originally posted by Galan007
Even if Jean were capable of absorbing the blast (which I personally doubt), such a tactic isn't allowed for the purposes of this thread.Character durability is mainly what I'm trying to gauge.
Absorbing or manipulating the energy was never ever a tactic that i suggested 😬
To withstand the energies and internal pressure of a star and then absorb all of that energy in its entirety is a feat of durability in and of itself. A point that seemed so obvious to me i didnt think i had to break it down.
For Jeans body to have been able to withstand such massive energies when in a severely weakened state speaks volumes about a prepped Jeans durability.
Then when you factor in the shielding she can create tapped into the life force of reality from which the stars derive from anyway, i doubt a blast from Sols Anvil is gonna tickle her.
Please bear in mind the Celestials were struck unaware, prepped the blast arguably would not have done a thing 😬
err...Ok so you view that Sol's anvil as literally nothing more than a direct blast containing a fraction of the Suns energy....Seen. Just on the surface i find that a bit incredible (cause that would make it a mid herald level blast) but ill reserve judgement till i have time to go over the comic thoroughly.
Originally posted by Galan007
Okay, cool beans.Just saying that enduring the internal forces of a star is a herald-level durability feat... And no herald is tanking a blast from the Anvil. 👆
And in response to that i reminded you that a power restricted Jean not only did that but absorbed the entirety of those massive energies into her body which is a feat of durability itself.
If her body can withstand such energies in a weakened state, then Sols Anvil is gonna be no trouble for a prepped White Phoenix Of The Crown 😉
The Celestials were not prepped for the attack and all it did was separate their bond not destroy any of them. The amalgamation arguably could have withstood the blast if they were prepped like the characters here are.
Originally posted by Naija boy
err...Ok so you view that Sol's anvil as literally nothing more than a direct blast containing a fraction of the Suns energy....Seen. Just on the surface i find that a bit incredible (cause that would make it a mid herald level blast) but ill reserve judgement till i have time to go over the comic thoroughly.
Youre voicing surprise when you havent even read the comic. Its probably a good thing that you do just that, then you'll see that the Celestials were not prepared for the attack, they were caught unawares and even so all it did was separate the amalgamation into the individual Celestials, not destroy any of them.
In the same way a 4 yr old kid could run into you and knock you over if youre caught completely unawares, but if you see them coming and youre prepped for impact then that kid aint doing a thing 😉
