Ron Paul choice of the troops march on the white house

Started by dadudemon33 pages
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Seems to me that DDM was explaining what you meant, not agreeing with you.

You probably agree with the point I was drawing attention to, as well. I also believe a significant portion of Americans realize that same thing: the election process is heavily influenced by the media and it can be perceived as a "rigging".

I do not think it is a question of agreeing or disagreeing with something so obvious.

As far as delegates: yeah, I agree with Mairuzu there, as well: there's almost no chance in hell that Paul has influenced enough delegates AFTER the state primaries. Sure, it is still there but Paul has pretty much not won the primary.

Those are the only two points of his I covered in my post and they are obvious points that no one has to agree or disagree too: they are obviously correct.

I am not set in my ways, however. A reasoned argument for how the media does not sway the presidential elections would sway me. You can also sway me to think Ron Paul has a chance if some facts on the delegates (maybe a poll on the delegates that proves that a significant portion will be voting for Ron Paul at the National Convention in August??). But, yes, I do agree with the points I covered in my post concerning Mairuz's comments.

Originally posted by inimalist
to be fair, Mairuzu's point was fairly clear and didn't really need explaining, I was more just having a go at a poorly structured sentence.

What can I say im a rebel to an establishment. It still makes sense. **** being proper.

Just saw Ron on the la news. Just smoked a bowl. Just ate a cheese burger like a true American and a fat one. None of that fast food shit tho. Typing this on the freeway right now.

6200 people is the number to beat

Minnesota got 5200 just before that which was the largest attendance at the time. Looks like he's doing good in California.

As for you robtard, it's what I do. Don't be a little ***** broo

Shit load of people here. Filming shit the news won't. At least 4k

Hey Mairuzu, are you stoked that Mitt Romney just sweeped through Maryland, Wisconsin, and D.C.? Ron Paul's gonna win, right? Right?!

Hey Lord Lucien, do you think Ron Paul will be Mitt's Running Mate?

I wonder if Paul would accept that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Hey Lord Lucien, do you think Ron Paul will be Mitt's Running Mate?
That would be nothing short of awesome. It'd be the 21st century's own Adams and Jefferson.

I doubt he'd pick Paul. I doubt any of the other candidates would pick him. He's too different, too... Libertarian for today's GOPs. Romney would probably feel he's alienating all the people who didn't vote for Paul (so... like all of them). Not enough political advantage in picking another old, white guy who the majority of voters don't care about it. If Paul won, though, I wonder who he'd pick.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
That would be nothing short of awesome. It'd be the 21st century's own Adams and Jefferson.

I doubt he'd pick Paul. I doubt any of the other candidates would pick him. He's too different, too... Libertarian for today's GOPs. Romney would probably feel he's alienating all the people who didn't vote for Paul (so... like all of them). Not enough political advantage in picking another old, white guy who the majority of voters don't care about it. If Paul won, though, I wonder who he'd pick.

To me, it seems like a way to get some liberal votes (some of the democratic voters and moderates). It also would get much of Paul's votes (despite the numbers, Paul still got 10% of votes).

Of the candidates, Ron Paul seems the best choice to strengthen Romney's base and voter "span". It would be the GOP's best chance against Obama. Romney can go up against Obama in the moderate category, but he is lacking in some socially conservative areas (abortion) and liberal social areas (lol...Ron Paul is so not a single thing). With Newt or Santorum, he gets a more conservative flavor but does not really broaden his voter base.

With Santorum he may broaden the religious base that find his Mormonism... distasteful. With Gingrich he could boast his team consists of his economic and business skills paired with Newt's political prestige (baggage and all). With Paul, he'd likely attract most of his voters (sans the ones who feel Paul is selling out just to be in office), but he'd likely alienate many of the, uh, traditional Republicans who find Paul's Libertarian stance unsettling. That'd be fine, because most of them would still vote Rep. before Dem. anyway; but if Mitt's looking to keep the House Red, 'ol Radical Paul may turn people's favor Blue.

And I wonder just how many of the moderate/liberal voters would choose Republican, first term, white, senior, VP Paul over Democratic, two term, black, "young" President Obama--who already has an old white guy for VP.

I wouldn't personally pander to the superfluous like that, but, you know... 'Merica.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
As for you robtard, it's what I do. Don't be a little ***** broo

Ha, that wasn't me upset. Just confirmation.

The problem I see with Santorum/Gingrich/Paul as a running mate is that the issue it is designed to solve (healing schisms within the Republican party) aren't the ones that are causing Romney the worst issues in swing states against Obama. Gingrich/Santorum supporters, largely the white-evangelicals, are not going to vote for Obama, and are likely to vote against Obama for whichever politician the GOP fields (these are the people who, when polled, tend to have a greater than majority belief that the President is a Kenyan socialist Muslim). Paul supporters may widen Romney's base within the GOP (though it is hard to see why Paul supporting Reps would vote for Obama, it is always true they could go to the Libertarians or some other third party), but he is disastrous for the swing votes Romney needs to pick up in the general election, and I'm not sure a Paul VP is enough to draw Dems who may be unsatisfied with Obama's civil liberties record.

Salon had an interesting article about this the other day:

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/04/mitt_romneys_fooling_himself_about_women/

The latest Gallup poll shows how bad things have gotten for the former Massachusetts moderate. He now trails President Obama in 12 swing states, largely because of the defection of independent women. Female independents now back Obama 51 to 37 percent – and that’s a 19-point swing just since the end of 2011, when they preferred Romney. But here’s a little data point for Haley: Only two in 10 independent women polled by Gallup even knew Romney’s stance on contraception. Those who did disagreed with Romney 2-1. More independent women – four in 10 – knew Obama’s contraception position, and they were divided about evenly. Still, 60 percent didn’t know either candidate’s stance. That suggests contraception matters, but it’s not the only thing driving independent women away from Romney and the GOP. But that’s not good news for Republicans, either.

Ayotte is right: Women care about the economy. And that’s hurting Romney in two ways. First, the economy is getting better, which always helps the incumbent, with both genders. But also, women have been more reliable Democratic voters since the age of Ronald Reagan largely because they support safety net programs and they dislike candidates who pledge to eviscerate them. Paul Ryan’s budget, which Romney thinks is “marvelous,” shreds the safety net into lint, and it will turn off at least as many women as the GOP’s contraception policies.

If the biggest issue Romney is facing in November is female independents (as male independents might as well just be called Republicans), Santorum/Gingrich/Paul are terrible choices. The first two for obvious personal and fairly clear misogynist flaws, Paul more for his actual policy opinions. Whether you think they are more constitutional or not, Paul's policies are not what women vote for. They don't want to risk the safety net, they don't want to renegotiate Roe v Wade or Civil Rights, they don't want to think about their kids suffering in some private school system or whatever.

I don't know the panacea, and I'm sure Romney has far more educated advisors than myself, but I can't imagine picking one of his primary opponents as a running mate is going to help him in the demographics he needs to win a general election. I'd actually argue these rumors are designed specifically to garner more support for Romney during the primaries. Let slip that he is considering Santorum/Gingrich as a running mate, suddenly evangelicals may be less skeptical of his Mormonism and Romney receives more delegates in highly contested primary states. Let slip it might be Paul, and suddenly the rabid libertarians [sic] in the GOP may see Romney as the superior choice to Santorum/Gingrich, and more votes come in for Romney.

I can't see any of those options as realistically being anything more than political suicide for a general election though... (however, if Obama decides to run against the Supreme Court, as he has insinuated recently, it may not matter who the GOP nominates anyways)

Heres what the media wont show you. Funny how santorum, gingrich and romney cant even obtain 1/4th of this kind of crowd. It was full. 10,000 people. Some of them had to wait outside and climb trees just to see.

YouTube video

wow, by that logic, Paul should receive a whopping 10 000 votes!

Originally posted by inimalist
wow, by that logic, Paul should receive a whopping 10 000 votes!

Wow, by that logic, you're an idiot.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Wow, by that logic, you're an idiot.

I'm more and more convinced you are a specific cog in this grand conspiracy to discredit Paul.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
...Wow, by that logic, you're an idiot.

This is a non sequitur.

Was hoping he understood the stupidity of his words. 6,200 in chico. We'll see how many at his rally today.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Was hoping he understood the stupidity of his words. 6,200 in chico. We'll see how many at his rally today.

You do realize that having larger rallies doesn't necessarily mean Ron Paul has a greater percentage of the American vote de facto, yes?

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Was hoping he understood the stupidity of his words. 6,200 in chico. We'll see how many at his rally today.

Just because someone goes to a rally, does not mean they will vote for that person. It also, doesn't mean that they support that person.

Mairuzu, I feel your pain. The people I wanted to vote for in the past, have never made it past the primary. It really does come down to a choice between a turd sandwich and a douche (South Park reference).