Originally posted by Mairuzu
Well not stupid but highly unlikely. You can't see that lol?
Unlikely? WTF, man.
Considering not every single military person donates(I'd guess less don't than do), it's silly to say: "Ron Paul has more of the support from the military than other candidates", if (this is the key word) you're only counting those personal who donate and not the military as a whole.
So, are you counting only those military personal who donate (and rally)?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Maybe that as humans they all have their own unique reasons for doing what they do and trying to nail down one answer to account for so many different people is folly?
With all opinions, it will be broken down into parts. However there is at least a "plurality" reason if not a majority reason as is the case with every thing like this. There are definitely not thousands of different reasons: there are probably 1 to 2 reasons that account for 70-80% of their support. I'm wanting to know what that is. Mairuzu's answer seems to be one of those, for sure: tired of the bullshit that they have witnessed first hand (and have seen the blowback) and want to put a stop to it. Makes sense.
I thought of another reason: his loyalty to the original "US Constitution" and his patriotism (because of his message) rings really well with people that are very patriotic...such as military personnel.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Also, the level of your condescension is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Lol am I obsetting you in some way? I seem condescending to you? lol stoned Its alright bro. I'm just here giving out information, at ease soldier.
😆 😆 😆
Omega Vision, this is the same dude that cut a black man off when exiting off of the highway and when the other dude flipped him off for doing so, Mairuzu responded with, "You're black!" 😆 I'm not sure why...but that's just funny to me. Maybe because it's not an insult but he used it as one.
Originally posted by Robtard
Unlikely? WTF, man.Considering not every single military person donates(I'd guess less don't than do), it's silly to say: "Ron Paul has more of the support from the military than other candidates", if (this is the key word) you're only counting those personal who donate and not the military as a whole.
So, are you counting only those military personal who donate (and rally)?
I think it is better to say that from the pool of donating military personnel, Ron Paul gets the most donations/attention. The argument is one of semantics, only, though. Like it is going to make a difference in the actual point: "Derp...Paul gets way more military support than the other GOP candidates."
Not sure why you're focusing on a non-issue.
Originally posted by dadudemon
With all opinions, it will be broken down into parts. However there is at least a "plurality" reason if not a majority reason as is the case with every thing like this. There is definitely not thousands of different reasons: there are probably 1 to 2 reasons that account for 70-80% of their support. I'm wanting to know what that is. Mairuzu's answer seems to be one of those, for sure: tired of the bullshit that they have witnessed first hand (and have seen the blowback) and want to put a stop to it. Makes sense.I thought of another reason: his loyalty to the original "US Constitution" and his patriotism (because of his message) rings really well with people that are very patriotic...such as military personnel.
I don't think that all soldiers are thinking as much as you and Mai give them credit is what I'm saying. Personally, I think a good number of them are supporting Paul first and foremost because he's Ex-Military.
Edit: To Rob.
Well the problem is your questions are based off nothing but assumptions while I provide you with evidence of support.
I don't recall seeing any other march for a candidate by our troops. That shit would have been all over the news non stop. First we had the main one, the march on the white house... and a decent size group here in california as well. I haven't checked on the other states yet if anyone else held a march but I wouldn't doubt it.
Originally posted by dadudemon😆 😆 😆
Omega Vision, this is the same dude that cut a black man off when exiting off of the highway and when the other dude flipped him off for doing so, Mairuzu responded with, "You're black!" 😆 I'm not sure why...but that's just funny to me. Maybe because it's not an insult but he used it as one.
Lmfao you remember that shit? Well you sort of do. He actually cut me off. I was driving on the free way and I was barely entering it from the off ramp, not exiting. I was trying to catch up to traffic and there is this van in front of me so I change lanes because hes going too slow and this b**** gets in front of me right when IM about to pass him. Im like WHAT THE ****
So I swirve around him again to pass his ass up and his head is sticking out his window and hes shouting some crazy ritual shit and i'm looking at him like wtfff!?!?
...you're black!
Edit: But on topic, you're right DDM. They also support him for the consitution he follows and swore to because its the same one they swore to defend with their life as well.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Well the problem is your questions are based off nothing but assumptions while I provide you with evidence of support.I don't recall seeing any other march for a candidate by our troops. That shit would have been all over the news non stop. First we had the main one, the march on the white house... and a decent size group here in california as well. I haven't checked on the other states yet if anyone else held a march but I wouldn't doubt it.
WTF, I am asking if you're counting all military personal, or just those that donate cash and rally? You continually avoid a direct answer.
If anyone making assumptions, it's you with your claim. If you're only counting a select few of the military and basing your stance on that.
Dammit you jew, its cause you're asking a question you already have the answer to. You think I went over to all the US bases around the world and asked which ones didn't donate and which you support? **** no.
But it doesn't prove anything you're trying to claim at all. Typical strawman shit.
I'm giving you more evidence of support that doesn't have to do with donations. Smoke and your common sense will increase.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think you're oversimplifying human psychology, but then I'm not well-versed in psychology beyond the basics.
I think you mean scientific polling because that's what I was talking about and what I thought what you were talking about. I mean...sure, you can consider political polls to be part of human psychology I guess.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think that all soldiers are thinking as much as you and Mai give them credit is what I'm saying.
Clarification: about a third of my male acquaintances are either in the military or retired military. Of my family members, about a third of the males also are the same. For some reason, they overwhelmingly support Ron Paul...they are abnormally represented in that particular (military personnel) demographic from my personal perspective. Then I see that there is large support of Paul outside of my personal and narrow view of political support and it makes me think: Jeez...why do military people support Ron Paul so much?
So to directly address what you're saying above: I don't think you're giving the military personnel nearly enough credit for how much thought they have put into it. So much so that I find your position a tad insulting: they aren't stupid grunts, man. 😬 Sure, many of them may not be as smart and as educated as you but they are far from air-headed laymen that are jumping on a derp wagon.
For some reason...spending a few tours in Iraq and/or Afghanistan make them support Ron Paul. Not universally, but abnormally so.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Personally, I think a good number of them are supporting Paul first and foremost because he's Ex-Military.
That does not account for the massive support he got in 2008, though: McCain was also ex-military but Ron Paul still shared an absurd disproportion of military support.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Dammit you jew, its cause you're asking a question you already have the answer to. You think I went over to all the US bases around the world and asked which ones didn't donate and which you support? **** no.But it doesn't prove anything you're trying to claim at all. Typical strawman shit.
I'm giving you more evidence of support that doesn't have to do with donations. Smoke and your common sense will increase.
So you're only counting a very select few of the military(campaign donators and rally goers) to base your claim on and not the whole. Got it.
Seems silly.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Lmfao you remember that shit? Well you sort of do. He actually cut me off. I was driving on the free way and I was barely entering it from the off ramp, not exiting. I was trying to catch up to traffic and there is this van in front of me so I change lanes because hes going too slow and this b**** gets in front of me right when IM about to pass him. Im like WHAT THE ****So I swirve around him again to pass his ass up and his head is sticking out his window and hes shouting some crazy ritual shit and i'm looking at him like wtfff!?!?
...you're black!
Oh, so that's how the story went? It's been years since you told that story in the OTF.
Also, my version is better. schmoll
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Edit: But on topic, you're right DDM. They also support him for the consitution he follows and swore to because its the same one they swore to defend with their life as well.
It's possible that it is an all of the above thing, really. Like.....maybe 70-80% of them (the ones that donated money) support Ron Paul because:
1. The Backlash from our atrocities.
2. The seeming military corruption at times.
3. Their parallel feelings of upholding the Constitution (parallel with Ron Paul).
Originally posted by Robtard
So you're only counting a very select few of the military(campaign donators and rally goers) to base your claim on and not the whole. Got it.Seems silly.
Yeah I figured you would see it that way. I'll leave it to you to do the number crunching since you're so interested in seeing how many DONT support paul compared to how many that do despite lack of support from any other candidate. stoned
Why does it seem silly though? Whats silly about me showing this march on the white house rally? Its what I came in here to do afterall lol.
Can the apathetic voter be considered against a certain candidate, though?
AHA!
Some would argue that the apathetic voter is automatically against the candidate. Some would argue that the apathetic voter should not be counted. Some would argue that the person should count for both (for and against). And, finally, I argue that they do not count at all in anyway by reason of "they literally are not counted when the votes come in".
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think you mean scientific polling because that's what I was talking about and what I thought what you were talking about. I mean...sure, you can consider political polls to be part of human psychology I guess.Clarification: about a third of my male acquaintances are either in the military or retired military. Of my family members, about a third of the males also are the same. For some reason, they overwhelmingly support Ron Paul...they are abnormally represented in that particular (military personnel) demographic from my personal perspective. Then I see that there is large support of Paul outside of my personal and narrow view of political support and it makes me think: Jeez...why do military people support Ron Paul so much?
So to directly address what you're saying above: I don't think you're giving the military personnel nearly enough credit for how much thought they have put into it. So much so that I find your position a tad insulting: they aren't stupid grunts, man. 😬 Sure, many of them may not be as smart and as educated as you but they are far from air-headed laymen that are jumping on a derp wagon.
For some reason...spending a few tours in Iraq and/or Afghanistan make them support Ron Paul. Not universally, but abnormally so.
That does not account for the massive support he got in 2008, though: McCain was also ex-military but Ron Paul still shared an absurd disproportion of military support.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Yeah I figured you would see it that way. I'll leave it to you to do the number crunching since you're so interested in seeing how many DONT support paul compared to how many that do despite lack of support from any other candidate. stonedWhy does it seem silly though? Whats silly about me showing this march on the white house rally? Its what I came in here to do afterall lol.
Except I didn't make the claim of "Ron Paul has more supporters in the military than other candidates". You did, so I'm not the one that has to support their claim.
I'm asking how you came to that conclusion based on what seems to be a very limited scope of people.
No, the march is fine, drawing conclusions for a whole group(the military) from it is what is silly.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I wasn't insulting the military, just people in general. I do think that there are various reasons for why people adopt causes, many of them beyond any ideological inclinations.
I think the military personnel would be offended by your sentiments. That was all I was commenting on, there.
But, I also think their support can be boiled down to a very small grouping. I do not think we'll be able to come to an agreement, here, so we should probably agree to disagree, if you want.
Originally posted by Robtard
Except I didn't make the claim of "Ron Paul has more supporters in the military than other candidates". you did.I'm asking how you came to that conclusion based on what seems to be a very limited scope of people.
I do not understand your point, anymore, Rob. It doesn't make sense. I think the answer to your question is obvious: "Because out of the politically active military personnel, Ron Paul enjoys a majority". That fairly soundly addresses your question, imo. No other assertions need to be made.
Or are you saying that out of the politically active military, there's some other phenomena going on that is independent of Ron Paul and the correlation is throwing things out of wack or being misunderstood?
Originally posted by Robtard
Except I didn't make the claim of "Ron Paul has more supporters in the military than other candidates". You did, so I'm not the one that has to support their claim.I'm asking how you came to that conclusion based on what seems to be a very limited scope of people.
I guess it depends on your definition of support stoned