Originally posted by carver9"Shes too fast".
Right after this, Wonder Woman ties her up before she could react.
She moves so fast, I never have a chance.
Now do I need to post Supergirl fight against Superman?
Shits on WW feat in every way. He has all the feats in DCnU be it strength/speed etc. She has lip service and that's it.
Originally posted by emporerpants
Also, I want to say that I appreciate talking with you Carv. It's nice to have a little exchange that doesn't involve someone calling the other stupid in more and more elaborate ways.
NNNNOOOOOO, you dont ever have to worry about name calling from me. I hate when people do that. These are fictional character, why rage on someone for giving their opinions. Nice debating with you as well though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman changed his clothes and took Supergirl halfway across metropolis before she could even react.Shits on WW feat in every way. He has all the feats in DCnU be it strength/speed etc. She has lip service and that's it.
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Where in those scans did he do anything before she could react? Also, there's a time gap in those scans.
Originally posted by carver9
No he didn't. He took HIS speed from Amazo. Amazo still had Superman, Diana and the rest of the league speed as stated per Diana when she tried to punch him in the face when he was in the mount.
So Superman actually blitzed Amazo who had Flash+Superman+WW speed. How is that for speed?
Originally posted by -Pr-
It says he was summoning them. If you can show me where it says he was teleporting them, I'll re-evaluate my point.She's still shown blocking multiple projectiles though. I don't see how that's not a reflex feat.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Flash took away Amazo's speed completely otherwise he would've killed entire league in a second. Fun fact is Superman actually blitzed Amazo before Flash did and outsped Diana by a huge margin in the very same comic.So Superman actually blitzed Amazo who had Flash+Superman+WW speed. How is that for speed?
He summoned his shattered selves, not that they were flying through universe. Are we really going to think she was outflying those shards at trillions of times lightspeed and didn't even leave earth's atmosphere? There are too many contradictions and it only arises by one assumption that "shards were flying through universe". He didn't do that.
He later regained his super speed during his fight against WW.
He snuck attacked Amazo. Then we also have this.. "not fast enough to counter super speed retaliation".
Originally posted by carver9
😕Where in those scans did he do anything before she could react? Also, there's a time gap in those scans.
Originally posted by carver9
He later regained his super speed during his fight against WW.He snuck attacked Amazo. Then we also have this.. "not fast enough to counter super speed retaliation".
He never regained his speed. Black Lightning reacted faster than him and absorbed his attacks. Black Canary surprised him and blew off his head, red tornado's ****ing tornado blitzed him.
He was straight up blitzing him through several floors from front. No sneak attack at all.
And he reached Amazo first even though everyone had heard the alarm at the same time. That includes flash and your precious wonder woman. Aka he outreacted them all.
ABHI, I'm not going in circles with you because it doesn't even matter since that 'is a flight ft'. This thread is about reflexes and the scan I showed with WW was reflexes. He did regain his speed. Wonder Woman mentions it during her fight against him when she had him in the mount and he dodged her punch at super speed.
Originally posted by carver9
ABHI, I'm not going in circles with you because it doesn't even matter since that 'is a flight ft'. This thread is about reflexes and the scan I showed with WW was reflexes. He did regain his speed. Wonder Woman mentions it during her fight against him when she had him in the mount and he dodged her punch at super speed.
Originally posted by carver9
LOL...not wrong...just pointless since this thread isn't about flight.
Are you sure you're not blind? Because you keep ignoring anything which favors Superman and touting wrong things.
You post a scan of Superman talking to Kara then the next time we see them they are flying off. We dont know what happened before then. We dont see Superman fly off to change cloths. We dont see him change cloths, grab Kara, and fly off. What we see is them conversing in his apt and then it skips to Superman flying her into the city. WTF man. What did you expect me to see in those scans?
Post the scan of Superman arrival when he rushed Amazo.
Originally posted by carver9
You post a scan of Superman talking to Kara then the next time we see them they are flying off. We dont know what happened before then. We dont see Superman fly off to change cloths. We dont see him change cloths, grab Kara, and fly off. What we see is them conversing in his apt and then it skips to Superman flying her into the city. WTF man. What did you expect me to see in those scans?Post the scan of Superman arrival when he rushed Amazo.
Originally posted by emporerpants
Talking doesn't mean not trying hard. People talk during fights in comics all the time. Anyway you slice it, she was still fighting back hard, while SM didn't even fight back during his encounters with Kara. Hence any comparison is pointless.I have the comic but not the scans. I haven't read it in awhile, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't weakened. I could be wrong though.
Who is saying WW isn't HH? I agree that she is. I just don't think she is a match for Supes. You keep using that fight in SM/WW, but what about when Doomsday broke her arms in one hit, and then a more powerful Doomsday was ripped in half by SM? Do we ignore that? Do we ignore all the lip service Supes gets from everyone saying he is the most powerful? Do we ignore WW herself saying Supes is the most powerful? Do we ignore the fact that Superman is the only one strong enough to take down Doomsday? Do we ignore the fact that Superman has feats MUCH greater than everyone else including WW?
Superman is in my opinion above WW and would take her 6 or 7/10. That said, WW is a solid HH and doesn't get the credit she deserves from some people.
In the end Carv, my stance is that Supes stats outdo WW by a decent amount, an amount that she closes a bit with superior skill. Still, Supes has enough of an advantage with his stats and powers to get the majority in my opinion. WW's stats are close enough that with her skill she can pull some wins though.
Agree w/ everything you say except that Superman would take at least 9/10. It's not really a fight to be honest and Diana would be lucky to get that one win. Their stats aren't really close at all. Superman is a solid tier above her and this has been shown on numerous occasions. As I said before, the only advantages she has on him is skill and her magical equipment. The people who think her combat reflexes are greater or even equal to his are deluded.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Flash took away Amazo's speed completely otherwise he would've killed entire league in a second. Fun fact is Superman actually blitzed Amazo before Flash did and outsped Diana by a huge margin in the very same comic.So Superman actually blitzed Amazo who had Flash+Superman+WW speed. How is that for speed?
He summoned his shattered selves, not that they were flying through universe. Are we really going to think she was outflying those shards at trillions of times lightspeed and didn't even leave earth's atmosphere? There are too many contradictions and it only arises by one assumption that "shards were flying through universe". He didn't do that.
She was still blocking projectiles though, which was my point. It's still a reflex speed feat.
Also, might be a good idea to decide what versions of the DC characters you want to use for this thread. Can't use both Preboot and DCNU. You made the thread, so you get to choose. Can't use both.
Originally posted by carver9
Your first set of scans ABHI...SMH.Your second set of scans, it did say he hit Amazo during that blitz, nice showing for Supes. Cant deny that. Still not better than WW.
Heat Vision per your admission is light speed...Diana was blocking loads of them casually.
Shits on her "feat". Superman isn't just moving his arms, he is moving around and reflecting back hundreds of lightspeed beams back by a mirror. While heavily weakened by kryptonite.
Originally posted by -Pr-
She was still blocking projectiles though, which was my point. It's still a reflex speed feat.Also, might be a good idea to decide what versions of the DC characters you want to use for this thread. Can't use both Preboot and DCNU. You made the thread, so you get to choose. Can't use both.
And its preboot because DCnU Diana doesn't even has any notable speed feat.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Its a reflex speed, but not even close to the level JBL and carver are trying it to make.And its preboot because DCnU Diana doesn't even has any notable speed feat.
When is any feat close to what they're trying to make it?
Can you not answer the question without being a dick? Really?
Either way, preboot it is.
