Originally posted by Star428
LOL. Post a scan please where Clark himself states that WW has faster reflexes than he does. I don't give a god**** what Batman said. I stated the only advantages she has over him in my previous post and reflexes is most definitely NOT one of them.
Superman: "Ok, I get what you're saying..."
And, oh hey Wonder Woman doin' some nice deflecting here (Context: Superman rapid-firing heatvision specifically to test her reflexes)
Originally posted by Q99
Superman: "Ok, I get what you're saying..."And, oh hey Wonder Woman doin' some nice deflecting here (Context: Superman rapid-firing heatvision specifically to test her reflexes)
Superman disagreed with the overgrown bat and the whore woman .
Originally posted by Q99
Superman: "Ok, I get what you're saying..."And, oh hey Wonder Woman doin' some nice deflecting here (Context: Superman rapid-firing heatvision specifically to test her reflexes)
LOL@ you using that second scan which doesn't help your case at all. As you say, he was only testing her. It's not like he was using an all-out attack on her using all his speed. So, I'm not sure why you even bother posting it unless you're really desperate to find something since there is virtually nothing that shows her on his level.
The first scan doesn't really prove anything either except that WW and Batman believe she has faster reflexes. Superman himself never actually agrees with them. Just "I get what you're saying" means he understands why they actually think that. Doesn't mean he all of a sudden agrees... and like I said previously, going by actual showings he is above her. Just look at their fight in "Superman: For Tomorrow", for example and how easily he handled her there. He treated her like she was nothing and even turned his back on her. She used her superspeed to attack him and he turned and caught her thrust easily.
Originally posted by Q99
Ah yes, another round of the 'people bend over backwards to pretend WW can't do what she was just shown doing.'
Not what I said at all, Superman was not going all out on her by any means. Secondly he disagreed with what Bat's had said and was bout to have a rebuttal but they were interrupted. This scan proves nothing more then some friendly rivalry trash talk. If Superman wanted to he could kill them both before the knew they were dead.
Originally posted by Q99
Ah yes, another round of the 'people bend over backwards to pretend WW can't do what she was just shown doing.'We all know how this ends. You say 'lol' a lot, make some sexist comments, people roll their eyes, the people who like to pretend WW's weak look dumb, and you try again next time.
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Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Not what I said at all, Superman was not going all out on her by any means. Secondly he disagreed with what Bat's had said and was bout to have a rebuttal but they were interrupted. This scan proves nothing more then some friendly rivalry trash talk. If Superman wanted to he could kill them both before the knew they were dead.
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Originally posted by Q99
Ah yes, another round of the 'people bend over backwards to pretend WW can't do what she was just shown doing.'
LOL. How does WW deflecting the heat vision blasts of a Superman who is just messing around actually prove a damn thing? That reminds me of all the idiots who claimed (in the Superman vs WW thread) that because Diana was able to get a technical win in their 'Sacrifice' fight that all of a sudden she's on his level. But, conveniently ignore the fact that he was hallucinating throughout all the fight and yet he still came off looking superior despite his huge disadvantage.
We all know how this ends. You say 'lol' a lot, make some sexist comments, people roll their eyes, the people who like to pretend WW's weak look dumb, and you try again next time.
Ha, ha. No, it ends after the thread has gone on on for about 200 pages again because of Diana supporters who keep denying that **** doesn't stink, with people like me getting getting tired of arguing with people like you and just decide to not even bother with the thread anymore.
Originally posted by abhilegendYou can laugh all you want, but gladiator has numbers to go with his speed feats, superman does not and you only guess and jack up a scan to deceive the people who want the same thing but are too scared or smart to say it themselves. Every time a number is given, superman falls way short. Flash fighting zoom, he fell way short because a number was given that he could not match, when it was answered directly about him and wonder woman on the SUBJECT of who was faster combat wise, he again fell way short. But you use scans where there is NOTHING indicating a speed, its just moving fast or some character fighting flash or keeping up with him and flash not making a fool out of them although when the SUBJECT of speed is the focus, it is made CLEAR AS DAY that flash toys with them so to speak. You explain it as if flash is moving or reacting as fast as he can, and like superman, you yourself fall way short to the trained eyes of those who know your predictable motives day after day and beyond. That is truly sad my friend, but there is one bright spot in all of this..... you have a few who believe you or at least hope its true dispite your daily corrections by others.
Running is about reflex speed. And she doesn't has any feats on his level. Heck, she outright said Power Girl was as fast as her and Superman has made PG look like a statue.
LMAO, this is just great.But I will wait for Gladiator's speed feats which even remotely compare to Superman though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I would like to see reflex "feats" of Wonder Woman which are even as good as Supergirl, let alone Superman. Here Kara vanishes right in front of Wally who has to actually work to catch her. Wonder Woman said that Wally is literally a blur to her.By her own admission she is just as fast as Power Girl. Superman is leagues above that.
Not a single thing in this scan or anything you mentioned has anythng what so ever to do with reflex. They are travel speed related. I stated in my post that in travel speed Dianna falls down the list under Gladiator n(JUST above MMH) and SS moves up with Superman.
reaction is
"something done, felt, or thought in response to a situation or event."
It relates to reflex which is
"an action that is performed without conscious thought as a response to a stimulus"
none of which is in your scans. It's the what you do in response to something NOT the how ffast you move, what you perceive etc etc. In your scan any "reaction" a character has is and always would be relativity dependant. It's like how for us driving a car at the speed on the freeeway we can react to the things at that speed because relative to us they are traveling the same or slower. We can't dodge those same cars when we are a pedestrian because our relative perspective has changed.
Frankly the feat of WW deflecting bullets of the hoods with automatic weaposn in an orphanage while blind is many times better than that scan. I realise this will sound strang but let me explain. In that scan she is in an orphanage room only a few meters from guys firing automatic weapons at the orphans. She was blinded so had to identify the path of the bullets travel purely by the sound they made through the ear to be able to react to them. Outomaic weapons fire bullets have a speed of between 280 to 460m/s. Sound travels at 340 m/s. This means essentiallythat the sound actually gets to her only instants before the bullet or it's slower. Clearly the gubns used can't have been higher caliber or the feat is impossible.
If we assume that it is the 280m/s speed of a bullet. then over the 4m in distance we are talking about it travels to her in less than a millisecond. making the reaction feat ALMOST (note I said almost, I understand it's missing a zero) a nanosecond feat (she reacts to near 300m/s (hundreds( in less than a millisecond making the difference in ten's thousands not the 100's of a nano).
That's no where enar her best reaction feat. The fact that most of hers are from a stationary position as opposed to reacting while at speed (removing any relative speed rates from the reaction equation) also makes them better.
Running or even feats like those of Superman talking to Flash while they both move at light speed aren't "reaction feats, and aren't even good if they were. Superman moving at that speed operating on the smae level as Flash in speed makes it a relativity action rather than a reaction. Because he is moving at the same speed relative to him what he's reacting to isn't fast compared to his relative rate of travel.
Originally posted by HulkisHulk
Surfer's got massive travel speed feats
Flash (this is taking into acount Human race obviously- infinite speed)
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Superman=/= Silver Surfer
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Gladiator
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Wonder Woman
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Martian Manhunter etc etc.
Originally posted by Star428
LOL. How does WW deflecting the heat vision blasts of a Superman who is just messing around actually prove a damn thing?
When he's specifically trying to test her reflexes, and she didn't find him doing so to be particularly fast.
Also, he tried the 'Superspeed bursts of heat vision' during Sacrifice too... and she blocked every one then as well.
And that's when he's not holding back at all.
That reminds me of all the idiots who claimed (in the Superman vs WW thread) that because Diana was able to get a technical win in their 'Sacrifice' fight that all of a sudden she's on his level. But, conveniently ignore the fact that he was hallucinating throughout all the fight and yet he still came off looking superior despite his huge disadvantage.
"Still came off looking superior" rarely fits well with "Cut throat, bruised ribs, ruptured eardrums, and minor limp."
You may say he came off looking superior, but he lost. He looked better during the first part, she did during the second. Now, I don't put them on the same level even so, Superman is admitted to have a small edge, but "Lol they aren't close even though she won!" is a really poor argument on your part.
And note, the 'hallucination' did not stop him from noticing and responding to her weapons like the lasso. They never caused him to go off target or misjudge a threat, he was fighting in HtH as he would her (grabbing *her* wrist, not Doomsday's oversized wrist that'd be a couple feet taller and such).
While it did affect the fight, it was mainly in that his tactical choices were off, he was being too aggressive and she exploited that, but he was fighting full power full strength and able to see all of her attacks and such.
At the end of the fight, they were both pretty injured... but both of them, Wonder Woman included, were able to shake it off and get to heroing minutes later, and she was able to beat a trio of high-level Alpha Omacs not long after without showing any sign of the fight with no-holds-back-Superman having affected her much.
And also note, that's not the only time they've stalemated. In Superman: For Tomorrow, they hit each other back and forth for a bit indecisively (Neither was hurt), and Superman's goal was simply to get *past* her so he could risk his life to save Lois's, and he was unable to do so until there was an outside distraction (a crashing helicopter, which WW had to rescue, allowing him past).
So in a Superman book, he had to rely on a distraction to get past her, showing her speed is good enough to block him that much.
Originally posted by vdoxII
Travel speed isn't reaction speed. Wonder Woman has reacted to things that based on travel speed she should not even be able to keep up with. Thta's why I said IF IT WERE travel speed SS would move up and WW move WAY down.
Your statement makes no sense at all. If the Surfer has the ability to avoid objects while moving at those speeds, he is obviously reacting to objects approaching him at those speeds. If what you say was true, he would crash into everything in front of him while traveling at super speeds. Does it make any sense to you?
Re: Reflex speed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Place these characters in order of reflex speed
Green Lantern (Hal jordan)
Flash (Wally)
Orion
Wonder woman
Martian Manhunter
Silver surfer
Superman
Thor[b]Tier 4
Quasar
Nova
Gladiator
Beta ray bill
What are the best reflex feats for these and what do you consider the best feat for reflexes IYO? [/B]
Since everybody's doing tiers, I suppose I'll drop some too.
Tier 1
The Flash
Tier 2
Superman
Wonder Woman
Silver Surfer
Tier 3
Thor
Gladiator
BRB
Manhunter
Quasar
Nova
Orion (No clue about Orion tbh)
Honestly Hal and Nova could be higher, since they can let their rings/force do the targeting for them, but generally Hal seems to have SHIT reflexes. In fact he's going into a tier of his own.
Tier 52
Hal Jordan
